Drilling in a curved metal surface
joelwideqvist
10-19-2009, 06:14 AM
Hi
I'm going to use the meter below in one of my builds.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/joelwideqvist/ok_mm1041.jpg
To install it I need to drill a 1,5 or 2 mm wide hole in the side wall. So how to do it? I ask as I have not drilled in metal before and certainly not in a piece this small and with a rounded surface.
I guess I need some drill bits for metal but can you actually do the drilling in a curved surface without a drill board and a milling machine? As you can guess I will not invest in such a tool just for this purpose so I need some input if it can be done without. Or shall I just go and find some person who has the proper tools?
Any hints on where to find micro drills for metal? I also need to drill a .5 mm hole for the wiring...
Best regards
Joel
I'm going to use the meter below in one of my builds.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/joelwideqvist/ok_mm1041.jpg
To install it I need to drill a 1,5 or 2 mm wide hole in the side wall. So how to do it? I ask as I have not drilled in metal before and certainly not in a piece this small and with a rounded surface.
I guess I need some drill bits for metal but can you actually do the drilling in a curved surface without a drill board and a milling machine? As you can guess I will not invest in such a tool just for this purpose so I need some input if it can be done without. Or shall I just go and find some person who has the proper tools?
Any hints on where to find micro drills for metal? I also need to drill a .5 mm hole for the wiring...
Best regards
Joel
klutz_100
10-19-2009, 06:38 AM
What I have done is to use a sharp sewing pin or needle to make a small starting mark in the soft metal as a guide point and then held the part in place with pliers and used a pin vice to drill the hole. HTH
joelwideqvist
10-19-2009, 06:41 AM
Thanks for your quick reply Klutz! Are you using any special drill bits?
cinqster
10-19-2009, 07:18 AM
I've have 3 or 4 of these packs and they are the only small drill bits I use. They're perfect for what you are after and relatively cheap. They're also available at most model shops across the UK:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/20piece-HSS-TWIST-MICRO-MINI-DRILL-BIT-SET-0-3-1-6mm_W0QQitemZ250515705686QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Hom e_Garden_PowerTools_SM
John
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/20piece-HSS-TWIST-MICRO-MINI-DRILL-BIT-SET-0-3-1-6mm_W0QQitemZ250515705686QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Hom e_Garden_PowerTools_SM
John
klutz_100
10-19-2009, 07:24 AM
Are you using any special drill bits?
No. Actually, I am using pretty much the same kind that John gives the link to.
No. Actually, I am using pretty much the same kind that John gives the link to.
joelwideqvist
10-19-2009, 07:27 AM
Great, thanks both of you!
/joel
/joel
MPWR
10-19-2009, 09:11 AM
Aluminum is certainly not hard to drill by hand. It is a soft, easily worked metal (compared to steel and 'exotics'). Be careful holding the part in pliers- you will very easily damage the aluminum if holding it in steel pliers. Use something soft to pad the jaws of the pliers.
Any small drill bit you have will drill aluminum. HSS stands for "high speed steel", which is a strong, hard steel alloy that cutting tools are made of. It is the most common material that small drill bits are made of. It works very well for drilling aluminum, either in power tools or in a pin vise. So if you already have small drill bits for plastic, they will work fine.
Drilling by hand will take care and patience, but it is definitely possible, and it is a reasonable solution to your problem.
Any small drill bit you have will drill aluminum. HSS stands for "high speed steel", which is a strong, hard steel alloy that cutting tools are made of. It is the most common material that small drill bits are made of. It works very well for drilling aluminum, either in power tools or in a pin vise. So if you already have small drill bits for plastic, they will work fine.
Drilling by hand will take care and patience, but it is definitely possible, and it is a reasonable solution to your problem.
MidMazar
10-19-2009, 09:26 PM
What I have done is to use a sharp sewing pin or needle to make a small starting mark in the soft metal as a guide point and then held the part in place with pliers and used a pin vice to drill the hole. HTH
Percisely, you have to make a dent. Or else your drill bit is going to be moving around.
Try www.Micromark.com
They have tons of neat stuff to chose from. A lot of different drill bits for a decent price.
Percisely, you have to make a dent. Or else your drill bit is going to be moving around.
Try www.Micromark.com
They have tons of neat stuff to chose from. A lot of different drill bits for a decent price.
joelwideqvist
10-20-2009, 05:21 AM
Thanks MPWR for sorting the drill issue out and for the heads up on the pliers.
Thanks also to you MidMazar for the link!
/J
Thanks also to you MidMazar for the link!
/J
cinqster
10-20-2009, 06:28 AM
Thanks MPWR for sorting the drill issue out and for the heads up on the pliers.
Thanks also to you MidMazar for the link!
/J
It's often handy to tape up (cover) the model part itself rather that the tool, to protect it. This has become second nature for me when using the lathe. I cover small machined parts in ordinary 3/4" plastic insulation tape cut to size. One layer is enough for protection if you are careful. For a lathe you have the added problems of having to get the layers even, otherwise the piece will turn eccentrically.
Thanks also to you MidMazar for the link!
/J
It's often handy to tape up (cover) the model part itself rather that the tool, to protect it. This has become second nature for me when using the lathe. I cover small machined parts in ordinary 3/4" plastic insulation tape cut to size. One layer is enough for protection if you are careful. For a lathe you have the added problems of having to get the layers even, otherwise the piece will turn eccentrically.
klutz_100
10-20-2009, 11:58 AM
J, since we are managing to turn your little simple into an encyclopaedic thread, I'd also have to warn you that in all probability, if you will be wiring the dial, you will be drilling a very small diam hole and therefore using a very thin drill bit - and they snap at the slightest excuse :)
Be careful, try to maintain a perfect right angle to the piece you are drilling and don't be tempted to use one of those (otherwise very cool) spring loaded Archimedes-type (http://images.toolspot.co.uk/Hobby/Archimedes-Drill.jpg) pin vices. Stick with a simple drill vice and go slowly without excess pressure.
Be careful, try to maintain a perfect right angle to the piece you are drilling and don't be tempted to use one of those (otherwise very cool) spring loaded Archimedes-type (http://images.toolspot.co.uk/Hobby/Archimedes-Drill.jpg) pin vices. Stick with a simple drill vice and go slowly without excess pressure.
Decs0105
10-20-2009, 04:07 PM
...don't be tempted to use one of those (otherwise very cool) spring loaded Archimedes-type (http://images.toolspot.co.uk/Hobby/Archimedes-Drill.jpg) pin vices. Stick with a simple drill vice and go slowly without excess pressure.
Wow that thing looks cool, although very dangerous for small, little helpless drill bits :rofl:
Percisely, you have to make a dent. Or else your drill bit is going to be moving around.
I got a set of center punches like this LittleMachineShop (https://www.littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=1820&category=), really handy when you work with metal. But if you just drill one hole a year you are probably better of with Klutz's idea.
Joel it is also a very good idea to buy atleast 2 from the smaller drill bits since they will always break either on Saturday afternoon or Sunday which means no more modelling for the weekend :p
Wow that thing looks cool, although very dangerous for small, little helpless drill bits :rofl:
Percisely, you have to make a dent. Or else your drill bit is going to be moving around.
I got a set of center punches like this LittleMachineShop (https://www.littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=1820&category=), really handy when you work with metal. But if you just drill one hole a year you are probably better of with Klutz's idea.
Joel it is also a very good idea to buy atleast 2 from the smaller drill bits since they will always break either on Saturday afternoon or Sunday which means no more modelling for the weekend :p
stainlesssteel
10-24-2009, 10:41 PM
Well a good method (and the one I use) is to sand the part flat...not the whole part...just the area you want the hole...no one will notice that you sanded it...Good luck
Didymus
10-24-2009, 11:27 PM
With a file, sharpen a nail or long screw to a point. Make a "handle" with tape or a rag. This home-made awl will make a good hole starter. If you're working with hard metal that you can hold in a vise, tap it with a small hammer to help make a deep-enough hole.
I'm working on a white metal model that has long rows of rivets. I had to drill a hole for each rivet. To start the holes, I used a drafting divider that has a sharp pin in each leg. The divider didn't only space the holes, it actually started them.
I'm working on a white metal model that has long rows of rivets. I had to drill a hole for each rivet. To start the holes, I used a drafting divider that has a sharp pin in each leg. The divider didn't only space the holes, it actually started them.
joelwideqvist
10-26-2009, 06:25 AM
Thanks a million for all your tips, they are most appreciated!
/J
/J
mardtrp
10-29-2009, 04:25 AM
Hhmm, everybody seems to be missing the point here, that is, the material he is going to drill, it's only aluminium.
Now this stuff is not quite as soft as butter, but you better believe it's soft and very easily drilled, with just plain old common garden variety MILD STEEL.
Some have come up with expensive ideas, 'cause they dont know any better. So why not investigate what jewellers have used for centuries, then you might learn something in your life, they drill very tiny holes that are ten times smaller than what is being asked here. So instead of just going thru the motions and rolling out all these ideas that cost money, why not use the cheapest and easiest ideas of all time.
Have you lot ever had a look at the el-cheapo, 'made in china', jewellers screwdriver sets, for a lousy couple of bucks, you get half a dozen perfectly good, EXACT sized screwdrivers, that in a few minutes can be turned into EXACT SIZED drills, that will eat the soft ally and any of the plastic you lot work with. No worries about breaking them either, if they bend, then just straighten them and keep going.
Now you lot are so up with it and know all the answers, then why hasn't anybody here bothered to investigate, what you can do with cheap stuff, all it needs is for somebody to use their brain, it don't need to cost big bucks.
Some times the simple things in life are best.
Mark
Now this stuff is not quite as soft as butter, but you better believe it's soft and very easily drilled, with just plain old common garden variety MILD STEEL.
Some have come up with expensive ideas, 'cause they dont know any better. So why not investigate what jewellers have used for centuries, then you might learn something in your life, they drill very tiny holes that are ten times smaller than what is being asked here. So instead of just going thru the motions and rolling out all these ideas that cost money, why not use the cheapest and easiest ideas of all time.
Have you lot ever had a look at the el-cheapo, 'made in china', jewellers screwdriver sets, for a lousy couple of bucks, you get half a dozen perfectly good, EXACT sized screwdrivers, that in a few minutes can be turned into EXACT SIZED drills, that will eat the soft ally and any of the plastic you lot work with. No worries about breaking them either, if they bend, then just straighten them and keep going.
Now you lot are so up with it and know all the answers, then why hasn't anybody here bothered to investigate, what you can do with cheap stuff, all it needs is for somebody to use their brain, it don't need to cost big bucks.
Some times the simple things in life are best.
Mark
Didymus
10-29-2009, 11:49 AM
Now you lot are so up with it and know all the answers...
What's with the rudeness? Do "you lot" know how to be polite?
Your attitude does not go down well.
Ddms
What's with the rudeness? Do "you lot" know how to be polite?
Your attitude does not go down well.
Ddms
joelwideqvist
10-29-2009, 04:02 PM
Are you drunk :confused:
/Joel
/Joel
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