Speedhunters McLaren F1 Topics.

andybee

10-01-2009, 09:07 PM

As you will have seen on a couple of posts here, BMW Feature Month on Speedhunters and were just wrapping this up (even thought its now Oct 1st).

Here are a summary of McLaren related Posts. John Brooks, one of our contributors worked for GTC and DPR as photographer while at Sutton Images. You'll probably recognise a large number of images from books and magazines, while a few are new to me.

F1 GTR 10R video from Autocar and comment about livery design
http://speedhunters.com/archive/2009/09/02/video-roll-gt-gt-mclaren-f1-gtr-10r.aspx

F1 GTR Retrospective 1995
http://speedhunters.com/archive/2009/10/01/retrospective-gt-gt-mclaren-f1-gtr-short-tail-part-1.aspx

F1 GTR Retrospective 1996
(link will be posted 2nd Oct)

F1 GTR Retrospective 1997 Part 1
http://speedhunters.com/archive/2009/09/09/retrospective-gt-gt-bmw-f1-gtr-amp-1997.aspx

F1 GTR Retrospective 1997 Part 2
http://speedhunters.com/archive/2009/09/10/retrospective-gt-gt-bmw-f1-gtr-amp-1997-pt-2.aspx

BMW ALMS Driver, Tommy Milner's drive of various BMW cars including the Bigazzi F1 96 GTR
http://speedhunters.com/archive/2009/09/29/driver-blog-tommy-milner-gt-gt-driving-the-bmw-na-race-car-collection.aspx

Visit to Rahal Letterman Racing (BMW Mobile Tradition)
http://speedhunters.com/archive/2009/09/02/gallery-gt-gt-a-visit-to-rahal-letterman-racing.aspx

Enjoy. Special thanks to Erik for checking my two Retrospective Posts

ArchangelGTR

10-01-2009, 10:38 PM

Incredible photos! They could make another photo book on the McLarens.

Thanks for sharing that!

Peloton25

10-01-2009, 10:47 PM

Thanks for allowing me to assist (just a little) and keep up the great work!

Now off to drool at the new images... http://smiliesftw.com/x/drool_1_1.gif

>8^)
ER

andybee

10-02-2009, 12:57 AM

Couldnt have posted this without checking back with you Erik :) Part 2 will be live in the morning

Peloton25

10-02-2009, 01:54 AM

BTW - I learned at least one interesting new thing from reading your '95 Retrospective.

The fact that the paint scheme for #01R's LeMans livery was done at the request of Motokazu Sayama to match his Mercedes SL was an unique fact. I especially like it because seems to lend even more credibility to the theory that the Black/Grey F1 road car which has been spotted in Japan has a direct connection to him. It is believed to be chassis #043.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1/McF1_1_L.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1/McF1_2_L.jpg

The reports from both you and John evoked memories of sitting on the couch with friends back in the mid '90s watching truncated versions of the BPR and FIA GT races on Speedvision. Some of John's behind the scenes comments were enlightening too. All around a great effort from several folks and definitely worth everyone's time to read. :thumbsup:

John added some great images to match up with your text today! Now I'm waiting impatiently for the ones that match up with tomorrow's piece. :) I was hoping for more pics of the Marlboro liveried GTRs, but I read his comments about being banned from Zhuhai in '96 by Barth and Ratel for something he wrote about the impending decline of their series. Funny the kind of politics that work their way into the racing world sometimes.

>8^)
ER

Peloton25

10-02-2009, 03:20 AM

hurstg01

10-02-2009, 03:44 AM

:thumbsup:

Sami Aaltonen

10-02-2009, 07:53 AM

This was superpb!!!! Really spent time to watching those links trought! :runaround:

andybee

10-02-2009, 09:36 AM

andybee

10-02-2009, 09:38 AM

I was hoping for more pics of the Marlboro liveried GTRs, but I read his comments about being banned from Zhuhai in '96 by Barth and Ratel for something he wrote about the impending decline of their series. Funny the kind of politics that work their way into the racing world sometimes.

>8^)
ER

Are you sure it was him?

Politics ALWAYS work their way into racing :)

Peloton25

10-02-2009, 10:11 AM

This is what he wrote in his '97 Retrospective - Part 1 referring to the earlier 1996 BPR season:

It was clear to all on the inside that the BPR could not continue in the existing format, indeed I wrote an internet column at the time saying just that and a bit more, and got banned from the final race of the season in China for my pains. I did not think anyone would actually bother to read my article, much less care what an obscure photographer thought. To their credit both Jurgen and Stephane later admitted I was right at the time and we all get along fine now.

I took that to mean he wasn't allowed to attend the event, but perhaps he made the trip and snapped a few pics during practice and qualifying and was only barred from the race?

>8^)
ER

Le Man

10-02-2009, 10:51 AM

Folks here should be sure not to miss this additional post from Rod Chong:

BMW Group Classic Collection in Munich
http://speedhunters.com/archive/2009/10/01/museums-gt-gt-bmw-group-classic-collection.aspx

Not many people get in there with a camera in their hands. :cool:

>8^)
ER

Oh yes they do!! :iceslolan :iceslolan :iceslolan

Watch this space :wink:

"Cue" the man with the biggest smile on his face.

Le Man

10-02-2009, 11:03 AM

Part Two now up! http://speedhunters.com/archive/2009/10/02/retrospective-gt-gt-mclaren-f1-gtr-short-tail-part-2.aspx complete with Marlboro pics

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You may notice the rear lights image moved from Part 1 to 2, that was an update for 96 :)

Fantastic posts on Speedhunters Andy :thumbsup:

The net, needs more articles like those, Thankyou.

Will read through them in depth over the weekend and leave some feedback.

Peloton25

10-02-2009, 11:03 AM

Must be a change of policy, as the first photos I saw from that place surfaced in 2002 and there have been very few since. I've read several posts around the 'net of people touring the facility and cameras not being allowed in.

I'm not complaining if you're right btw... ;)

>8^)
ER

Le Man

10-02-2009, 11:21 AM

The "no photos" policy still applies,

But, not to the lucky gentleman who sent me a present in the post yesterday :thumbsup: Top man.

andybee

10-02-2009, 12:12 PM

we had an agreement with BMW which included this, covering the ALMS team, WTCC and other things for Speedhunters

Sami Aaltonen

10-02-2009, 02:26 PM

Part Two now up! http://speedhunters.com/archive/2009/10/02/retrospective-gt-gt-mclaren-f1-gtr-short-tail-part-2.aspx complete with Marlboro pics

Please leave feedback on the Post(s), you dont have to register

You may notice the rear lights image moved from Part 1 to 2, that was an update for 96 :)

Brilliant! Thank You Very Much!!!!!

Now just geting all the GTR's right chassis number some where, some of them are difficult to regonize, but I'll try that.

Attleast I bookmarked these all great links. It's amazing that over 10 years later you'll get these kind of material 95-97 GTR's, material what I really wouldn't expect to see anymore, attleast this quality! :sunglasse

Peloton25

10-02-2009, 03:13 PM

If you have any you need help on Sami, just post an link to the image and I am sure one of us will know it. :)

>8^)
ER

Sami Aaltonen

10-02-2009, 03:17 PM

If you have any you need help on Sami, just post an link to the image and I am sure one of us will know it. :)

>8^)
ER

OK thanks! :)
I try to find the right ones first, maybe sunday if I have time, but defenitely I will ask if I can't find the right chassis number. The images of those blogs were so great quality that really just stunning!

Sami Aaltonen

10-04-2009, 12:02 PM

Peloton25

10-04-2009, 01:01 PM

My answers in Blue

The image links are here:

1. http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/AndyBlackmore/RACING/F1/interior.jpg <-- 10R

2. http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/AndyBlackmore/RACING/F1/engine.jpg <-- road car display engine

3. http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/AndyBlackmore/RACING/F1/interior2.jpg <-- 10R

4. http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/AndyBlackmore/RACING/F1/95bprjerez_0_16.jpg <-- 02R or 04R :dunno:

5. http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/AndyBlackmore/RACING/F1/95bprjerez_0_21.jpg <-- 02R because 04R DNF'd at this race and I see the checkered flag waving in this shot. It could be practice or qualifying which would spoil my theory there, but it makes more sense for John Brooks to be capturing the F1 GTRs first ever WIN! which makes it a pretty special photo in my opinion.

6. http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/AndyBlackmore/RACING/F1/95lemans_050_1.jpg <-- 03R

This one, I'm 99,9% sure that #49 number is #03R, but is it?! I have missed totally the number 49 my database! 03R only wore #49 at the 1995 LeMans race

7. http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/AndyBlackmore/RACING/F1/95lemans_049_1.jpg <-- 03R and 06R

And this one, white one #03R and Gulf GTR #08R? <-- Correct
8. http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/AndyBlackmore/RACING/F1/95bpranderst_1.jpg

This one I have mark that it would be Le Mans 1997, but I think this is 1996 and chassis is #11R? <-- even the file name says '96lemans' and yes, 11R
9. http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/AndyBlackmore/RACING/F1/96lemans_033_1.jpg

This would be easy to find, if I once again would have perfect informations on my Exel table.
10. http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/JohnBrooks/97%20BMW%20F1%20GTR/97FIAGTHelsinki_003.jpg <-- poss 22R - at the '97 LeMans the Gulf GTR with the blue mirrors wore race number 40, which was 22R. This file says Helsinki, but I have trouble imagining them switching mirrors from chassis to chassis.

Once again, when I read those blogs trhought, I thought my self. "God how I love shortail GTR's.":thumbsup: Indeed!

>8^)
ER

Sami Aaltonen

10-04-2009, 02:15 PM

OK thank you very VERY much!!!!! And especially the few details of the race information!!!!! :smile: :bananasmi

Like I said, I was allmoust sure quite of many of those but some detail lack of information and wrong named year gave me too much of choise.

HEH, It's funny how the #03R is allways some kind of trouble of me, and allways mixing up #21R and #23R the red and white mirrows.
And I didn't remember that #06R hasn't allways been yellow-green. Fortunately the Exel table were a big help in this!

The #16R was many of those images, file name said FINA, so couple of images was good details of the rear so I think all FINA file named images were on #16R? I hope? :smile:

And ööh....yes the #03R at 95 Le Mans, it was Castrol / West or East / West team number #49? The livery is quite same but what was the correct team?

Yep, It's incredible how some cars makes every single time the same feeling. You have seen "everything" on the Internet. You maybe see any GTR's images of one month, then you see it again, you are everytime "shocked" how good simple short tail GTR looks. This all simplyness and compactness connected the absolutely incredible engine sound and the magic R-letter makes it everything percfect. The racing history and everything. HOH. Everytime I feel like this. I don't know am I the only one..... :)

Peloton25

10-04-2009, 02:32 PM

The #16R was many of those images, file name said FINA, so couple of images was good details of the rear so I think all FINA file named images were on #16R? I hope? :smile:

Sorry Sami, but most of those pics with FINA in the filename are of #17R.

>8^)
ER

Sami Aaltonen

10-04-2009, 02:36 PM

Peloton25

10-04-2009, 03:52 PM

Actually, this one is easy. All those FINA photos that are credited to Rod Chong which you have linked to here are #17R. The single photo in that list that isn't is image #10 and that is indeed #16R taken at the 1996 LeMans race.

The easiest way to spot #17R is that it has the "Stars & Stripes" graphics on the rear flanks, matching up with its BMW "USA" sponsorship. Also, the BMW Motorsport flag graphic that runs down the center of #17R's nose is blue, whereas the one on #16R (historically) #18R (now) are red.

If you look at shot #10 again you'll see the red flag graphics in the center of the nose. Also, while it is slightly difficult to read the race number '38' on the nose in this head-on shot, you can see the France and UK flags on the windsheild banner which is another identifying feature matching up with #16R's original livery.

>8^)
ER

andybee

10-05-2009, 12:22 AM

Sorry Sami, but most of those pics with FINA in the filename are of #17R.

>8^)
ER

All the Fina files are from the Rahal Letterman visit.

Peloton25

10-05-2009, 02:11 AM

That's what I figured - thanks!

>8^)
ER

Sami Aaltonen

10-05-2009, 08:40 AM

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