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98 Blazer Intermediate Starting


nuckolls_7
09-26-2009, 10:24 AM
I have a 98 blazer with the 4.3. It will start intermediately when it wants to. I have good fuel pressure and spark. I replace the fuel pump and fuel filter a year ago. And have checked the pressures today and they are still good. I have also replaced the plugs, put a reman distributor in it, cap, rotor, and ignition control module. There is plenty of spark but I cant figure out why it wont start. It will crank and fire but will not run. I did get it to run with starting fluid in it but as soon as I quite spraying it in it died. There are no codes to read either. I put the reman distributor in it and it ran for a week and a half with no problem. Now it is doing the same thing again. I am stumped and any help would be great.

MT-2500
09-26-2009, 10:37 AM
I have a 98 blazer with the 4.3. It will start intermediately when it wants to. I have good fuel pressure and spark. I replace the fuel pump and fuel filter a year ago. And have checked the pressures today and they are still good. I have also replaced the plugs, put a reman distributor in it, cap, rotor, and ignition control module. There is plenty of spark but I cant figure out why it wont start. It will crank and fire but will not run. I did get it to run with starting fluid in it but as soon as I quite spraying it in it died. There are no codes to read either. I put the reman distributor in it and it ran for a week and a half with no problem. Now it is doing the same thing again. I am stumped and any help would be great.
Go easy on starting fluid unless you want to blow the dip stick threw the hood. :sarcasmsign:
Only use carb cleaner for starting aid.
If it starts with squirting in intake you have a fuel delivery problem.
You need 64-65 lbs of fuel pressure for injectors to squirt on a cold start.
Give us your fuel pressure readings.

The only true test on a fuel pump is to check the direct fuel pressure from fuel pump.
A quick test is to block off the return line and see if fuel pressure comes up to 75-85 lbs.
But do not run the pump at full pressure very long.
Also when testing fuel pump and pressure you need to tape a gauge to outside windshield or outside mirror and drive it on the road for 20 -30 minutes
until the pump gets has run a while to check for a pump fading out after hot.

Hard to start cold or hot and fuel pressure testing guide lines.
Check cold start fuel pressure.
Check engine running fuel pressure.
Check engine running on the road fuel pressure.
Then shut it off and watch for fast leak down.
Pinch off at rubber part or block off return line and check full pressure.
If pump has full pressure with return line blocked and low pressure without it blocked most usually the fuel pressure regulator is leaking or not holding pressure.
Later V6 and V8 gm engines should have 60-66 fuel pressure.
Cold start should be 64-65 lbs of pressure.
If you do not have full fuel pressure on a cold start the injectors will not squirt fuel.
Do not leave home without it.
Engine running should be 60-66 lbs pressure depending on engine load.
Full pressure with return pinched off should be 75-85 or more.
And if it has a fast leak down after shut off you have a leak in system.
Post back fuel pressure readings.

nuckolls_7
09-26-2009, 11:31 AM
fuel pressure when the pump is running is about 62 or 63. when pump shuts off it drops to around 55 before cranking the truck. pressures are the same weather it starts or dose not. at idel it is alos around 63. i can't test it after a drive because it will not start now. i did check it befor to get the idle reading though.

MT-2500
09-26-2009, 12:36 PM
fuel pressure when the pump is running is about 62 or 63. when pump shuts off it drops to around 55 before cranking the truck. pressures are the same weather it starts or dose not. at idel it is alos around 63. i can't test it after a drive because it will not start now. i did check it befor to get the idle reading though.

Check for codes.
If you can get it on a scanner see it it has rpm signal.
Crank sensor has to run rpm signal for injectors to squirt.
Also check fuses and for 12 volt power to injectors.
Check for good hot spark to all plugs.
Post back any code no.

nuckolls_7
09-26-2009, 08:56 PM
there is no code pressent
fuses are all good
shows rpm on the dash. dont know if thats whart u ment or not?

nuckolls_7
10-14-2009, 12:34 AM
i have taken my blazer to the dealer now and they told me i had 4 stuck injectores. i had them clean them becaause they wanted over $1200 to replace them all. it ran for about a week and then not started again. i decided to put injectors in it now scince the dealer said cleaning them may only be a temp fix. it has now not started agin on my since. has anyone had this problem befor or know what step to take next to dignose this problem.

MT-2500
10-14-2009, 10:23 AM
i have taken my blazer to the dealer now and they told me i had 4 stuck injectores. i had them clean them becaause they wanted over $1200 to replace them all. it ran for about a week and then not started again. i decided to put injectors in it now scince the dealer said cleaning them may only be a temp fix. it has now not started agin on my since. has anyone had this problem befor or know what step to take next to dignose this problem.

Where are yo at on it now?
Have you replaced the injectors?
Does engine crank over good?
Does it have good spark when cranking?
Is fuel pressure still holding good?

If you have good spark and fuel pressure pull spark plugs and see if they are wet or dry on end.
Check compression when plugs are out.
If good compression and.
If plugs are wet or black on ends put a new set of AC delco plugs in it

MT-2500
10-14-2009, 10:26 AM
I have never saw 4 injectors go bad at one time.

nuckolls_7
10-14-2009, 06:45 PM
yes i did put all new injectors in the truck. I have already put new ac delco plugs in it. fuel pressure is still good and the same and the spark is also good in all cylinders. it has only had the problem once again scince i put the injectores in but dont want to risk it.

MT-2500
10-14-2009, 07:20 PM
yes i did put all new injectors in the truck. I have already put new ac delco plugs in it. fuel pressure is still good and the same and the spark is also good in all cylinders. it has only had the problem once again scince i put the injectores in but dont want to risk it.

You mean it has only failed to start one time since injector replacement.

See if it will start with a shot of carb cleaner when it acts up.

Pull some plugs and see if they are wet or dry on end.
Confirm good fuel pressure when it acts up.

keep us posted on how it goes.

nuckolls_7
10-20-2009, 08:11 PM
it just decided to do it again today. it now has new injectors in it and good fuel pressure. it will run with carb cleaner but only as you spray it in as soon as you stop the truck dies. there is good spark and the plugs are dry when you pull them out. i am thinking it may be and injector pulse problem or a security problem. what do you guys think and is there any way to test them.

MT-2500
10-21-2009, 10:06 AM
it just decided to do it again today. it now has new injectors in it and good fuel pressure. it will run with carb cleaner but only as you spray it in as soon as you stop the truck dies. there is good spark and the plugs are dry when you pull them out. i am thinking it may be and injector pulse problem or a security problem. what do you guys think and is there any way to test them.
You need to test when it is doing it.
Check when it does it check for loss of spark and fuel pressure.
comfirm fuel pressure is at or near full specs.

Starts on carb cleaner points to fuel delivery problems.

A engine capable scanner or a injector testing noid light will confirm injector pulse.

Does security light come on for a bulb check and then go out or does it stay on?
Andy codes or check engine lights?

nuckolls_7
10-21-2009, 06:51 PM
it has good spark and fuel pressure at all times. it will fire on carb cleaner but not run. the security light comes on when you turn on the key like normal then goes out. when you crank the key over it will come back on thenn go out.

MT-2500
10-21-2009, 07:32 PM
it has good spark and fuel pressure at all times. it will fire on carb cleaner but not run. the security light comes on when you turn on the key like normal then goes out. when you crank the key over it will come back on thenn go out.
Fuel pressure at 64-65 lbs cranking?
Any aftermarket alarms or remote start systems?
Doe security light come on cranking ?
If it fires on carb cleaner you have a fuel delivery problem.
Fuel pressure or lose of injector pulse.
Check for injector pulse when cranking engine.

Give it the old key on 3 times for 10 minutes again.
Will security light come on and go off each time?

Recheck for codes with a good engine capable scanner.

nuckolls_7
10-22-2009, 11:53 AM
i went out this morning and it finally started again. i let if run for a few minutes and when i came back the security light was on. i drove it for about 30 or 40 minutes and it didn't go off. is this a sign of a security problem?

MT-2500
10-22-2009, 01:02 PM
i went out this morning and it finally started again. i let if run for a few minutes and when i came back the security light was on. i drove it for about 30 or 40 minutes and it didn't go off. is this a sign of a security problem?

Yes it sure is.
While light is on
Get it on a engine /body computer capable scanner and look for your problem.
Check fuel allowed or not allowed.
Post back any present or history body or engine or security system codes.
They should point to the problem

Did the key on 3 times relearn help any?

Does this one have the pellet in the ign key?
And make sure there is not any after market alarm or remote start systems on it.

Let us know codes and how it goes.

MT-2500
10-22-2009, 02:04 PM
File In Section: 08 - Body and Accessories
Bulletin No.: 01-08-56-001A
Date: June, 2001
Subject:
Security Lamp Illuminated on the IP, Engine Stalls, No Start, DTC B2960
(Security System Sensor Data Incorrect but Valid) Set (Inspect and Repair
Cause of DTC B2960)
Models:
1998-2001 Chevrolet and GMC S/T Pickup and Utility Models
(S10, Sonoma, Blazer, Jimmy)
1998-2001 Oldsmobile Bravada
This bulletin is being revised to add information on inspecting for electrical intermittent conditions and important connector C211 tightening steps. Please discard Corporate Bulletin Number 01-08-56-001 (Section 08 - Body and Accessories).
Condition
Some customers may comment on the following conditions. These symptoms may be intermittent.
Security lamp illuminates while driving. The Security lamp may be On or Off.
Security lamp is illuminated.
The engine cranks but will not start and the Security lamp is flashing.
The engine starts then stalls and the Security lamp is flashing.

Cause
Condition(s) may be due to an incorrect Passlock(TM) sensor voltage (which is intermittent) received by the body control module (BCM) from the Passlock(TM) sensor due to the following conditions. Most intermittent conditions are caused by faulty electrical connections or wiring.
A 7 ohm variation in the sensor ground circuit wiring, circuit 1057
A 100 ohm variation in the Passlock(TM) sensor signal wiring circuit, circuit 1836

Inspect for the following items:
Broken wiring inside the insulation.
A poor connection between the male and female terminal at a connector. Refer to Testing for Proper Terminal Contact under Testing for Intermittent and Poor Connections in Wiring Systems for the specific procedure.
A poor terminal to wire connection. Some conditions that fall under this description include poor crimps, poor solder joints, crimping over the wire insulation instead of the wire itself, and corrosion in the wire to terminal contact area.
Wire insulation that is rubbed through. This causes an intermittent short as the bare area touches other wiring or parts of the vehicle.
A poor connection between the male and female terminal at a connector. This poor connection may be the result of contamination or deformation.
Contamination may be caused by the connector halves being improperly connected. A missing or damaged connector seal, damage to the connector itself, or exposing the terminals to moisture and dirt can also cause contamination. Contamination, usually in the underhood or underbody connectors, leads to terminal corrosion, causing an open circuit or intermittently open circuit.
Separate the connector halves.
Visually inspect the connector halves for contamination. Contamination may result in a white or green build-up within the connector body or between terminals. This causes high terminal resistance, intermittent contact, or an open circuit. An underhood or underbody connector that shows signs of contamination should be replaced in its entirety including the terminals, the seals, and the connector body.
Deformation is caused by probing the mating surface of a connector terminal without the proper adapter, improperly joining the connector halves. or repeatedly separating and joining the connector halves. Deformation. usually to the female terminal contact tang, can result in poor terminal contact causing an open or intermittently open circuit. Using an equivalent male terminal from the J 38125-B, test that the retention force is significantly different between a good terminal and a suspect terminal. Replace the female terminal in question.

nuckolls_7
11-20-2009, 11:17 PM
i finally got in back in the shop to see whats going on with it. they hooked it up and found a BCM code in the history of B2958. hopefully they find out the cause. i will keep you all updated.

MT-2500
11-21-2009, 09:28 AM
i finally got in back in the shop to see whats going on with it. they hooked it up and found a BCM code in the history of B2958. hopefully they find out the cause. i will keep you all updated.

B2958 is security system sensor high voltage.
The TSB in post 17 may be some of your problem.
If shop does not have that TSB copy it off and give it to them.
Let us know how it goes.
Good Luck

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