Decision making
eturhan
09-07-2009, 01:53 PM
I am thinking of buying a new car and I would like to get an opinion.
Which one do you think is a better choice for me: Foreign or domestic cars?
Also, what do you think about GM cars?
Which one do you think is a better choice for me: Foreign or domestic cars?
Also, what do you think about GM cars?
denisond3
09-08-2009, 02:59 PM
I have never bought a new car, so I couldnt advise on specifics. In fact I wouldnt buy a 'new' car even if someone gave me the money - I would still buy a used vehicle.
But your categorizations are too broad. There are better or worse foreign AND domestic cars. Also the criteria for what is a good car is fairly personal. I dont mind about reliability, since I fix my own cars, but some folks want that above all. Choosing a car for performance, or for styling, for miles per gallon, for price, would all result in different results.
There isnt any reason not to buy GM cars these days.
Good Luck making a choice.....
The last thing you want to do is to walk into a dealer's showroom intending to buy -that day-. The salesmen are experts at convincing you they can give you a deal that can't be beat.
But your categorizations are too broad. There are better or worse foreign AND domestic cars. Also the criteria for what is a good car is fairly personal. I dont mind about reliability, since I fix my own cars, but some folks want that above all. Choosing a car for performance, or for styling, for miles per gallon, for price, would all result in different results.
There isnt any reason not to buy GM cars these days.
Good Luck making a choice.....
The last thing you want to do is to walk into a dealer's showroom intending to buy -that day-. The salesmen are experts at convincing you they can give you a deal that can't be beat.
MagicRat
09-08-2009, 03:19 PM
This is a very complex subject.
Generally, in recent years, domestic North American brands give you the best value... that is, not quite the best car, but at a better price than the imports.
Japanese brands give you the best quality, and often, the best car, but at a price premium.
European brands sold in America usually give you more prestige, and often, better performance, but cost more to buy, maintain and insure.
But there are exceptions.
-Volkwagens are pretty cheap, but do poorly in customer satisfaction surveys.
-Suzuki cars are cheap, but seem to be noticibly worse than anything else, except for the cheap Korean cars.
Personally, I like GM cars... and these days you can swing a good deal at a GM dealership.
Imo, do some research. Check out Consumer Reports, Edmunds, carsurvey.org, etc.
Also, do some research on how to handle the car dealership's sales techniques.
The car salesman is not really there to help you, he's there to take as much of your money as possible. Beware of their sales techniques. There are websites on line with tips on how to handle them. They have many sophisticated sales techniques to take your money... but with some knowledge, you can aviod being trapped by them, and get a good deal.
Imo, the current sleazy new car dealer system is harmful to the auto industry in general, and I am surprised the consumer puts up with it. I have bought new cars in the past, and I even worked at a dealership for a while. But I would never buy new or used cars from any dealership. These days, I always go for a private used sale, simply because I HATE the 'stealerships'.
Generally, in recent years, domestic North American brands give you the best value... that is, not quite the best car, but at a better price than the imports.
Japanese brands give you the best quality, and often, the best car, but at a price premium.
European brands sold in America usually give you more prestige, and often, better performance, but cost more to buy, maintain and insure.
But there are exceptions.
-Volkwagens are pretty cheap, but do poorly in customer satisfaction surveys.
-Suzuki cars are cheap, but seem to be noticibly worse than anything else, except for the cheap Korean cars.
Personally, I like GM cars... and these days you can swing a good deal at a GM dealership.
Imo, do some research. Check out Consumer Reports, Edmunds, carsurvey.org, etc.
Also, do some research on how to handle the car dealership's sales techniques.
The car salesman is not really there to help you, he's there to take as much of your money as possible. Beware of their sales techniques. There are websites on line with tips on how to handle them. They have many sophisticated sales techniques to take your money... but with some knowledge, you can aviod being trapped by them, and get a good deal.
Imo, the current sleazy new car dealer system is harmful to the auto industry in general, and I am surprised the consumer puts up with it. I have bought new cars in the past, and I even worked at a dealership for a while. But I would never buy new or used cars from any dealership. These days, I always go for a private used sale, simply because I HATE the 'stealerships'.
denisond3
09-09-2009, 12:31 PM
9 out of 10 folks who have bought a new car from a dealership come out thinking they got some special deal better than the average. What they got was a good feeling from the marketing skills of the salesperson. In terms of bargains - if there are any- the owners/employees of the dealership see those. Not the customer who walks in.
I dont hate dealerships; sometimes they are the only source for obscure parts that wear out after 20 years and 200,000 miles. Beyond the parts department however, I am glad to be able to avoid them.
I dont hate dealerships; sometimes they are the only source for obscure parts that wear out after 20 years and 200,000 miles. Beyond the parts department however, I am glad to be able to avoid them.
wafrederick
09-09-2009, 08:11 PM
Japanese cars do have problems too.I know an auto salvage yard owner that gets calls for Toyota Corrolla engines.Japanese cars have electrical problems which are very expensive.Volkswagon's automatic transmissions including Honda's are are junk and do have problems with them.Ford's computer systems are horrible to work on.GM is another story and I like their Idea on their ECMs,use them over and over again.Ford,use them once and they are done which you can't change the vin in.
way2old
09-10-2009, 07:55 PM
Ususlly if you ask this question in a domestic forum--buy domestis
If you ask it in a foreign forum--buy foreign.
Your choice---which one do you like??
If you ask it in a foreign forum--buy foreign.
Your choice---which one do you like??
wafrederick
09-10-2009, 09:16 PM
Mercedes Benz is the worst to program an ECM,takes 8 hours to program one and it is not cheap.A special blanket has to cover the new ECM with the scan tool hooked and a phone line hooked up to the scan tool,to a phone also.The next step is to call Mercedes and one power surge,do it all over again with another new ECM.It is ten grand to replace the ECM.
knelleken
09-18-2009, 10:24 PM
my mother in law just bought a 09 focus ses on my d plan. I have always stayed away from ford(even though I am a ford technician) I took her car on a 600 mile road trip and, HOLY CRAP. its a way nicer car then i ever thought, and its flashy too. I have say, go back to American. the new Honda civics look funky and the dash almost goes into your chest because its so big. toyotas (cars)feel cheep, and mazda uses ford technology(engines, transmissions, some bodys, etc..)
wafrederick
09-21-2009, 05:00 PM
Ford uses Mazda too,the 2.0 DOHC is a Mazda engine and Mazda does use Ford Ranger bodies for their B series pickups with the Ford drivetrain.Ford Probes which are a POS are Mazdas with 626 parts
knelleken
09-21-2009, 10:04 PM
yep good old mazda. we give them the mpv and tribute. we get the probe and contour
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