Not so Bright Mods

Dont you love it when a mod closes a thread or trys to tell you that your wrong about something, yet there post sounds so dumb it isnt even funny. Like in Politics, investments, and currant affairs, I made a post asking for people to tell me what their president did lately that has had a major effect on the country or the world and the thread gets closed with this post>Thread closed.

Actions taken by people now will affect the future.
No one in this forum can see the future.

Therefore, no one can say what impact current activites of any individual or group will have on any country or the world in the future.
:confused:

I just checked and its still open, or maybe its been reopen.

Here is another one, in Hot or Not, I made the point that the auto news desk was full of f&f2 posts and said>There should be an entertainment section for music, movies, t.v., etc. I know I am not the first person who has said this. The mod came back and told me there is such a place, but when I asked him where he didnt answer me.

Originally posted by TexasF355F1
I just checked and its still open, or maybe its been reopen. Check again;)

Originally posted by dolla_bill0913
Check again;)

If you have a problem with a moderator, take it up with them privately. :mad: You are only making your case less attractive by making this a public scene. I will leave this thread open, so that you won't run around opening threads about me now, but it WILL be closed later once you've gotten your issues resolved.

I dont have a problem or any issues. Just voicing my opinion on things I see. I dont mean to get anyone pissed off, like it says right behind Stress release> dont be offended by anything you read.

The Current Affairs forum is for discussing current affairs, not baiting a flame war by implying that no country other than yours makes any difference in the world.

Jay took the words right out of my mouth, so to speak.

And the tv etc forum is in Off Topic, the most logical place it would be. Think about it for a minute.

I think the thread title should be, "not so bright members".

Originally posted by Toksin

I think the thread title should be, "not so bright members".

:rolleyes:
I don't want to have to close another 10 pager! :D:finger:

I don't normally get involved in any of these arguments, but as somebody that is only a member on AF, but a moderator on another board, I think I can be less partial.

This whole argument is two-sided.

There are members out there that moderators would love to able to reach out and slap something stupid, these members are so dumb, post the biggest load of dumb crap, yet manage to stay clean enough that you can't get rid of them.
These are the members that ask why there is no "XYZ" forum, which the member would actually find does exist if they just opened their eyes and performed a few more mouse clicks, they would find it does exist.
They are the members that tend to get flamed for stupid statements, but still manage to stay clean enough that the mods can't actually ban them......

On the other side of this coin, there is the moderator.....and I will say all this as a counter argument......
There are some moderators that seem to forget they were once a regualr member, and even as a moderator, they are a member. They seem to think that because they carry the title, you should instantly bow down and pay homage......
There are some moderators that will engage in a debate, but when they realise they are losing the debate, close the thread.....or delete posts that they don't like.....the list carries on.....

Either way, my point is, there are both bad members and there are bad mods.

I agree with what Tangie says, and it is also a matter of respect, if you have a problem with a mod, take it up with the mod in private, not in the middle of the message boards. If you're not satisfied with the answer you get from the mod, or you can't resolve it that way, go to the top.
I am sure Igor and all the mods would much rather you dealt with the whole issue via the PM function, rather than create a thread attacking the mods.

Remember this, without the mods, the message boards won't function!!
Their time and effort which they give freely keeps the boards friendly and clean, so we members can come here and enjoy the boards.

*steps off soap box* Thank you.

Ray is my pal!:D Hi Ray!:wave: Ray is smart.:frog:

Sign me up for the Ray Fan Club too!

Originally posted by freakray
I don't normally get involved in any of these arguments, but as somebody that is only a member on AF, but a moderator on another board, I think I can be less partial.

This whole argument is two-sided.

There are members out there that moderators would love to able to reach out and slap something stupid, these members are so dumb, post the biggest load of dumb crap, yet manage to stay clean enough that you can't get rid of them.
These are the members that ask why there is no "XYZ" forum, which the member would actually find does exist if they just opened their eyes and performed a few more mouse clicks, they would find it does exist.
They are the members that tend to get flamed for stupid statements, but still manage to stay clean enough that the mods can't actually ban them......

On the other side of this coin, there is the moderator.....and I will say all this as a counter argument......
There are some moderators that seem to forget they were once a regualr member, and even as a moderator, they are a member. They seem to think that because they carry the title, you should instantly bow down and pay homage......
There are some moderators that will engage in a debate, but when they realise they are losing the debate, close the thread.....or delete posts that they don't like.....the list carries on.....

Either way, my point is, there are both bad members and there are bad mods.

I agree with what Tangie says, and it is also a matter of respect, if you have a problem with a mod, take it up with the mod in private, not in the middle of the message boards. If you're not satisfied with the answer you get from the mod, or you can't resolve it that way, go to the top.
I am sure Igor and all the mods would much rather you dealt with the whole issue via the PM function, rather than create a thread attacking the mods.

Remember this, without the mods, the message boards won't function!!
Their time and effort which they give freely keeps the boards friendly and clean, so we members can come here and enjoy the boards.

*steps off soap box* Thank you.


Nicely but buddy- In fact couldn't put it better myself :D

Ray is promoted :frog:

Freak . . .

Ray



that is very well put.

you da man Ray.

HOORAY FOR MODS!

I'm not so bright. Can someone give me cliff notes on what he said?

cliff wrote notes?

Originally posted by tazdev
cliff wrote notes? I heard cliff can't spell.:confused:

Originally posted by jay@af
I'm not so bright. Can someone give me cliff notes on what he said?

Cliff says that Ray rulez teh AF. ;)

See, not EVERYONE in PA is stupid... even though he may be only an inducted PA person. :p

Originally posted by dolla_bill0913
Dont you love it when a mod closes a thread...

closing threads is a moderator's way of feeling important and usefull, kind of like when somebody buys a pickup truck but has nothing to haul in it...

Originally posted by Toksin
Jay took the words right out of my mouth, so to speak.

And the tv etc forum is in Off Topic, the most logical place it would be. Think about it for a minute.

I think the thread title should be, "not so bright members". Since when does a tv forum have anything to do with movies or music?

Originally posted by jay@af
The Current Affairs forum is for discussing current affairs, not baiting a flame war by implying that no country other than yours makes any difference in the world. How am I supposed to discuss current affairs if I don't know what is going on in other countries? It was just a question. Like freakray said there is 2 sides that you could look at this from, my question to you is why did you remove the posts? Let everyone make up their own minds and see the thread that I posted. It wasnt offensive, didnt use any bad words, why did you decide it should be removed?

Originally posted by dolla_bill0913
Since when does a tv forum have anything to do with movies or music?

Movies appear on TV don't they?
They do in my house anyway.....


Originally posted by dolla_bill0913
How am I supposed to discuss current affairs if I don't know what is going on in other countries?

You could always use the internet.....there are plenty of informative news websites on the net....
Examples:
General International News:
www.cnn.com
Want to know what is happening in South Africa?
www.iafrica.com

1>I usually go to a theater to see a movie, instead of waiting for it to be on TV a year later. I dont like waiting. 2>I like personal info from people who live in other countries. Anyone can put anything on the internet, you never know if you should believe it or not.:D

Originally posted by dolla_bill0913
1>I usually go to a theater to see a movie, instead of waiting for it to be on TV a year later. I dont like waiting. 2>I like personal info from people who live in other countries. Anyone can put anything on the internet, you never know if you should believe it or not.:D

There are forums on iafrica.com too, and since I am in contact with people in South Africa, I can tell you there ain't no bullshit on there.

Why aren't you honest, and just say:
"I am too lazy to spend time reading the news sites to create my own opinions and instead would rather be spoon-fed the information based upon other peoples opinions of the situation"

You see, I am only just recently resident in the USA, and have lived all over the world, so I can tell you a lot, but I would only tell you what I want you to know, so that you will formulate the opinion I want you to have, but if you go on several news sites and read several reports of the same thing, you will be able to form your own opinion on the matter.

You are going to tell me that news agencies dont sometimes put a spin on things. Becase there are a lot of people who would disagree with you(I can name a few on this forum). I like to hear info from someone who is there and sees it, not someone halfway around the world that decides to write a story based on things they heard or were told. You can get your info your way and I will get mine my way. :)

For anyone that's lost, here's where (what's left of...) the thread in question from the first post is:
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/t96096.html
..which was inspired by this post:
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?postid=871412#post871412

Note: the first post (which is now "hidden" - see my comments on that below) in the closed thread is the same as the second link.
Originally posted by dolla_bill0913
How am I supposed to discuss current affairs if I don't know what is going on in other countries?freakray has pretty much covered everything I would have said on that matter. If you want to learn about the world, by all means, seek that info out. Don't demand it be delivered to you.

Furthermore, I recommend Google News (http://news.google.com), as it is all compiled from ~4,500 sources by computer algorithms without human input (and arguably, bias. more about that (http://news.google.com/help/about_news_search.html)...)

Originally posted by dolla_bill0913
my question to you is why did you remove the posts? Let everyone make up their own minds and see the thread that I posted.
I removed the second and third posts in that thread; they were made by Americans, and they were off-topic.
I don't know who removed yours. I didn't, or if I did, it was an error, because I had no intention to do so. I'd have to get back to you on that.

Originally posted by dolla_bill0913
It wasnt offensive, didnt use any bad words, why did you decide it should be removed?
I understand that it is not offensive to you, but the way it was presented implies that Americans need not answer for their actions. It is this type of thing that leads to the perception of "American arrogance."

On the other hand, if you were to simply rephrase the post so that it applied equally to everyone (all countries in this case), I would have found no fault. If you would have PM'd me, I'd have told you the same, and probably given you the opportunity to revise your thread in such a way.

In fact, if you go now and start a thread asking anyone from any country to post what they think their country has done to help or hurt the world..., etc. I would have no objection, provided that it's presented fairly to all parties.

Originally posted by 2strokebloke


closing threads is a moderator's way of feeling important and usefull, kind of like when somebody buys a pickup truck but has nothing to haul in it...

Closing threads is a moderators way of stopping a topic getting worse, stopping a flame war, closing a useless or off topic post, closing a post that is out of the forum guidelines etc. Sometimes followed up by a banning if a certain member gets out of hand.

It is not a power trip.

Sometimes a mod does something you don't agree with. Boo hoo hoo. Baby gonna have a cry now? Deal with it. PM the mod and discuss it with him or her, don't bring it into the open so that everyone else gets involved.

Don't post stuff that's inflammatory. That thread was.

Fin.

Mods must do like anyone in a position of power. The must bear the burden of it and exercise thier power wisely

Ray is the man indeed. He took a stand for the mod's in such a way that those were left with nothing more to say.

So give the man a round of

http://forum.depaddock.net/images/smilies/applaus.gif



I just want to add to all the people who don't like this place, no one is forced to visit AF, right? although I visit some categories on a daily basis, well I try to, I still consider myself a newbie into a lott of categories.

For some it's hard to be humble...

Originally posted by dolla_bill0913
The mod came back and told me there is such a place, but when I asked him where he didnt answer me.

Probably because I have been gone for the past 40 days. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by jay@af

I understand that it is not offensive to you, but the way it was presented implies that Americans need not answer for their actions. It is this type of thing that leads to the perception of "American arrogance."

On the other hand, if you were to simply rephrase the post so that it applied equally to everyone (all countries in this case), I would have found no fault. If you would have PM'd me, I'd have told you the same, and probably given you the opportunity to revise your thread in such a way.

In fact, if you go now and start a thread asking anyone from any country to post what they think their country has done to help or hurt the world..., etc. I would have no objection, provided that it's presented fairly to all parties. I know what my president is doing because I hear and see it every day. The question was so that I could find out what other leaders around the world are doing. I am sorry if I offended anybody.

Originally posted by kris


Probably because I have been gone for the past 40 days. :rolleyes: Your back now, so where is this entertainment section?

Originally posted by dolla_bill0913
Your back now, so where is this entertainment section?

So you can find your way to Stress Release, but you need your hand held to show you where the other parts of the forums are?

Here (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/f1150/)

Originally posted by dolla_bill0913
I know what my president is doing because I hear and see it every day. The question was so that I could find out what other leaders around the world are doing. I am sorry if I offended anybody.

Do you really know what your president is doing?
You yourself said the media only tells you what they want you to see and think, yet you say you see and hear everyday, what your president is doing?
Perhaps you are only seeing what the media wants you to see and hearing what the media wants you to hear?


I can tell you what a lot of the world leaders are doing, shaking their heads in disbelief at George W Bush.

Originally posted by freakray


So you can find your way to Stress Release, but you need your hand held to show you where the other parts of the forums are?

Here (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/f1150/)

w3rd Ray, I think we need to offer reading lessons to some of our members:rolleyes:

Originally posted by freakray


So you can find your way to Stress Release, but you need your hand held to show you where the other parts of the forums are?

Here (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/f1150/) That is not an entertainment section, that is a tv section, you know that little box, that when you push the button you can see pictures in it. It has nothing to do with movies, music or any other kind of entertainment. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by freakray


Do you really know what your president is doing?
You yourself said the media only tells you what they want you to see and think, yet you say you see and hear everyday, what your president is doing?
Perhaps you are only seeing what the media wants you to see and hearing what the media wants you to hear?


I can tell you what a lot of the world leaders are doing, shaking their heads in disbelief at George W Bush. So are you now admitting that I was right and that you cant trust everything you hear.

Originally posted by dolla_bill0913
So are you now admitting that I was right and that you cant trust everything you hear.

No, I was quoting YOU!

Did you not say you can't believe everything you see in the media:

Originally posted by dolla_bill0913
You are going to tell me that news agencies dont sometimes put a spin on things.

The next thing you were saying is you know everything George W. is doing because you can see it in the media.
So in essence, you were contradicting yourself, one second you are saying you can't believe what they tell you is going on in the media, the next you were saying you know exactly what is going on because the media tells you everything.

If your argument is going to have any substance, you need to not contradict yourself.

Me personally, I don't watch the news channels, I follow the news on the internet so I know what is actually going on without the sensationalism of the TV and radio news presenters added.

Originally posted by dolla_bill0913

music or any other kind of entertainment.

Previously you were asking about the TV section, now you want more, spend some time exploring, as alternative, try this:
Finding Entertainment (http://www.google.com)

Have a nice day :wave:

Originally posted by freakray


Previously you were asking about the TV section, now you want more, spend some time exploring, as alternative, try this:
Finding Entertainment (http://www.google.com)

Have a nice day :wave: I think you need to go back and look at some of the 1st posts, to see that I was making the suggestion that there shoud be an entertainment section, not just a tv forum. Dont forget even though you might get your info from the internet, it still might not be totally true, someone had to put it on the net, and you never know if that person is bias one way or another. I wasnt contradicting myself, I was just saying it helps to double even triple check your info to make sure it is right, and what better way then by checking with someone that witnessed it first hand.

Originally posted by dolla_bill0913
I think you need to go back and look at some of the 1st posts, to see that I was making the suggestion that there shoud be an entertainment section, not just a tv forum. Dont forget even though you might get your info from the internet, it still might not be totally true, someone had to put it on the net, and you never know if that person is bias one way or another. I wasnt contradicting myself, I was just saying it helps to double even triple check your info to make sure it is right, and what better way then by checking with someone that witnessed it first hand.

Somehow, I think you need to post more frequently, since you seem to lose the plot between posts, and forget your own previous arguments and comments.
Everyone has a bias one way or another, including myself I will admit, but before establishing my opinion on something in the news, I read several reports on the matter on various non-affiliated news sites, they will obviously all report it differently and so it is easier to get a better idea of what happened.

Rather than posting here, spend some time travelling, even just reading and researching on the internet, you will find that the world is a big place with a lot of things happening.

Originally posted by dolla_bill0913
I think you need to go back and look at some of the 1st posts, to see that I was making the suggestion that there shoud be an entertainment section, not just a tv forum.

AUTOMOTIVEforums.com does not need an entertainment section. We really shouldn't even have a TV section, IMHO. It doesn't get used as much as expected, and it's using up the bandwidth on our servers that are supposed to have been designated for CARS and the like. Consider it a blessing to have COT and the TV forum to discuss things at all.

Originally posted by saturntangerine


AUTOMOTIVEforums.com does not need an entertainment section. We really shouldn't even have a TV section, IMHO. It doesn't get used as much as expected, and it's using up the bandwidth on our servers that are supposed to have been designated for CARS and the like. Consider it a blessing to have COT and the TV forum to discuss things at all.

true ...harsh...but true...... if he wants an entertainment section, then why doesn't he look for an entertainment forum...i remember being on one that was only for the now gone show Dark Angel...ohhh those were the days...but anyways even though i felt the heat off of tangie's post, she does have a point there... the automotive forums are used to talk about cars...the coffee break forum is for our fun and enjoyment where we can kick back, relax, and talk about the everyday experiences in our lives...we also come to know each other in a sense... that's the whole reason as to why we're here in this section of the automotiveforums right now..to talk to people from other parts of the world and form friendships worldwide...not to watch tv:)

(i'm sorry if that didn't make any sense, but i thought that i was on a roll)

Originally posted by HogieGT-R


(i'm sorry if that didn't make any sense, but i thought that i was on a roll)

Made complete sense.......which was my point when I posted the link to google.com in one of my previous posts with the comment of where to look for entertainment forums.
I guess some people like to have everything tailored to THEIR needs and don't take anything else into consideration.

On an additional note, very well said Tangie:ylsuper

Originally posted by freakray
Everyone has a bias one way or another, including myself I will admit, but before establishing my opinion on something in the news, I read several reports on the matter on various non-affiliated news sites, they will obviously all report it differently and so it is easier to get a better idea of what happened. Isnt that what I just said.

Originally posted by saturntangerine


AUTOMOTIVEforums.com does not need an entertainment section. We really shouldn't even have a TV section, IMHO. It doesn't get used as much as expected, and it's using up the bandwidth on our servers that are supposed to have been designated for CARS and the like. Consider it a blessing to have COT and the TV forum to discuss things at all. Are there not cars on tv shows or in movies? Dont some celebrites drive very nice and expensive cars? Isnt the news desk full of fast and furious 2 posts? You get my point.

Originally posted by HogieGT-R


true ...harsh...but true...... if he wants an entertainment section, then why doesn't he look for an entertainment forum...i remember being on one that was only for the now gone show Dark Angel...ohhh those were the days...but anyways even though i felt the heat off of tangie's post, she does have a point there... the automotive forums are used to talk about cars...the coffee break forum is for our fun and enjoyment where we can kick back, relax, and talk about the everyday experiences in our lives...we also come to know each other in a sense... that's the whole reason as to why we're here in this section of the automotiveforums right now..to talk to people from other parts of the world and form friendships worldwide...not to watch tv:)

(i'm sorry if that didn't make any sense, but i thought that i was on a roll) Thats my point, I come here to talk to other people, but what if I want to talk about how the new rx 8 looks in the new x man movie, or talk about Busta Ryhmes car that I saw on cribs, or maybe I just want to talk about the new song I heard while I was crusing around town. Entertainment and cars go hand and hand, yes I use other forums, thats why I made the suggestion. I was hoping to make AF better, sorry.

well if you wanted to do that then why didn't you post a thread up in the completely off topic forum? it's called completely off topic for a reason...plus if we made you feel bad then we're sorry we're just sayin that there's no need for an entertainment forum...now if you want to start another forum and somehow link it to af, try taking it up with igor- the head honcho..we're not sayin that you're a bad guy as a matter of fact you might just be mad cool to chill with, but just at this point in AF's progression, i don't think that the whole theme or the direction of AF would be clear if we added an entertainment section right now, but maybe someday in the future there might be enough room to squeeze that section into the servers:)

( i felt like i was on a role right now, plus i feel funny from the nachos that i ate from the movies, so please bear with me thank you) :D

Originally posted by dolla_bill0913
Isnt that what I just said.

Nope, that is what I said, you don't know what you said......

Originally posted by dolla_bill0913
Thats my point, I come here to talk to other people, but what if I want to talk about how the new rx 8 looks in the new x man movie, or talk about Busta Ryhmes car that I saw on cribs, or maybe I just want to talk about the new song I heard while I was crusing around town. Entertainment and cars go hand and hand, yes I use other forums, thats why I made the suggestion. I was hoping to make AF better, sorry.

Like Hogie said, that is what you are free to post in the COT forum, that is where anything of that nature can live.....
If you actually venture in there and spend some time there, you will find that is what some of the banter is about.....

Originally posted by freakray


Nope, that is what I said, you don't know what you said...... :rolleyes:

Originally posted by dolla_bill0913
:rolleyes:

are you still bitching? :rolleyes:

Ahem, this forum says you cannot be offended by anything within. Therefore, I think that the moderators should not quarrel over this subject. It is his post and opinion. And, in my opinion that thread being closed was unfair.

Originally posted by 2strokebloke

closing threads is a moderator's way of feeling important and usefull, kind of like when somebody buys a pickup truck but has nothing to haul in it...

YEP! lol I like that quote.

Originally posted by RyanGiorgio
Ahem, this forum says you cannot be offended by anything within. Therefore, I think that the moderators should not quarrel over this subject. It is his post and opinion. And, in my opinion that thread being closed was unfair. THANK YOU!:)

Originally posted by S13_Iketani


are you still bitching? :rolleyes: I didnt say a word. :monkeypis S13_Iketani

Originally posted by dolla_bill0913
I didnt say a word. :monkeypis S13_Iketani

well look at that, your monkey's pee has hit my invisible force-shield and stops just short of hitting me.

Originally posted by S13_Iketani


well look at that, your monkey's pee has hit my invisible force-shield and stops just short of hitting me. Besides having an invisible force shield, do you also play house and tea party.:p

Originally posted by dolla_bill0913
Besides having an invisible force shield, do you also play house and tea party.:p

Why, were you looking for somebody to play with?