Supercahrgingthe LS..By Jag

The 03 lincoln is out and hasbeen out .. the incentives for purchase od =f an S model bring the price down dramatically also a demo hlps aswell.. with the saved money i orderd a S/c for Jag type R and its a direct bolt on you need an ecu and injsector and Bam your Linconlc ..plain jain Bmw ish is a 40+ firebreathing fdragon.. capable ( witht the sports package f handlingtop of the lone Euro with little problem.. just don't run into a Jag Rtype.. though with the tweek you'll have you can take him.. luxury above euro performance.. above Euro suspension
and for the cst it was well worth it.. i had mine done by a Lincoln deler in with i new the mechanic bet the price is rasonable and he rewars are out of this world.. Vettes, Ws6 Sin stock form are in for a surprise..not saying you'llbeat them but when your witithin car upto 120 it thriling to say the least
spyk

:huh: mabey it was just me or ur typing...i understood the jest of it but had a hard time reading it

yeah, um, since I speak Missourian, I didn't understand a word you were sayin.

You have my attention now...explain the S/C a little better. Its a bolt on with no problems? Why not chip the LS....why a new ecu? Where did you find the room?

jag I emailed you to get a complete rundown on what is needed for the Supercharger project on the 2000 LS. You say that it is cost effective. How much is it and what kind of problems have you had since the supercharger was installed on the car. Please provide complete details

Thanks

Hum....
def need you to post pics of this car....If its true Mclaren and yourself are the only ones to have a ls that RUNS right with a supercharger...
Ellenor

How much was the total cost of the upgrade? Who did the PCM programming? I haven't found anyone who knows how to accomplish this mod and still have an engine that runs half decent.

I suspect that SPYK does not respond to this because he has not really done this upgrade. Mclaren are the only ones that have this package and they have not stopped doing it. he makes it sound very easlily but the Jaguar engine is bigger and is not a direct bolton as they say. I think it takes a lot of work and it is very difficult to find an ECU that will work. You would have to get a DFI for it to work. I dont believe that SPYK has actually done it as he has not even responded to my emails. He has been posting here on other forums

Originally posted by CGGorman
How much was the total cost of the upgrade? Who did the PCM programming? I haven't found anyone who knows how to accomplish this mod and still have an engine that runs half decent.

Why couldnt you reflash the pcm when dyno tuning? This is done alot in Detroit at Pro-M.

nobody has cracked the code used in the LS...yet. You can't even buy a chip for it because of this reason.

Let's not forget the difference in compression. The LS is 10.75:1. The Jag minus SC is like 9:1.

You stick that SC on the high-compression LS and watch what happens...

Originally posted by CGGorman
nobody has cracked the code used in the LS...yet. You can't even buy a chip for it because of this reason.


Really? I'll try to contact Pro-M and ask. It is a obd-III...correct? If so it maybe very difficult but not as hard as one thinks with the correct dynometer and the correct programs for tuning...which means alot of $$.

This prob would be the same as with the Hondas/Acuras.....i understand you cannot chip them, only reflash the PCM.

I agree with you about the compression ratio. The car will ping like crazy now if you do not use Premium fuel. So how can a supercharger be put on the car and not get wild detonation even with a supercharger. The most compression you can have on a forced fed motor is 9.0 to 1. SPYK still has not responded to anyones questions. The only people that have done it are mcClaren engines in Michigan

Originally posted by CGGorman
nobody has cracked the code used in the LS...yet. You can't even buy a chip for it because of this reason.

my compression is 10.1 and im boosted? No detonation......

Cougar I wanted to ask you ho much boost are you running and how much power are you making on your car. How much did it cost as I am assuming that you have a Cougar judging from your name.

Originally posted by CougarSVT
my compression is 10.1 and im boosted? No detonation......

5psi....255whp underload. T3/T4 Turbonetics 50 trim with a external wastegate and a dump valve into the autmospher. I will be able to boost higher(8-10psi) when needed...and still the motor will handle it because of the larger turbo...less backpressure....less heat.

Ignore my sig....havnt updated and still havnt completely finished the Cougar. The kit is complete...just have a few things yet to finish.

Cougar how much money have you spent so far on the project. It sounds very interesting but I thought that it would have made a lot more than 2 hundred and something horsepower. My grandnational was making around 600+ HP with a older 62-1 turbo from turbonetics and a DFR. that was in a much smaller engine but of course it had 20ibs of boost in it.

5psi....255whp underload. T3/T4 Turbonetics 50 trim with a external wastegate and a dump valve into the autmospher. I will be able to boost higher(8-10psi) when needed...and still the motor will handle it because of the larger turbo...less backpressure....less heat.

Ignore my sig....havnt updated and still havnt completely finished the Cougar. The kit is complete...just have a few things yet to finish.

$3,300 in the turbo kit and another $2700 in suspension and clutch work and LSD. Why you ask?

Try www.fordchip.com

They can tell you what settings are required and can fine tune at their shop in Detroit.
They can also set you up at clinics across the US.
Check them out!
The LS and T-Birds do not have a chip, they require flashing the computor.

Turbos are the way to go, ask the Europeans=-) TurboWorks Systems (http://boykinracing.us/index3.htm) :cool:

Turbos are the way to go, ask the Europeans=-) TurboWorks Systems (http://boykinracing.us/index3.htm) :cool:
Buy an LS, learn something about it, and THEN come back and comment about turbos. :screwy: Do you know what the compression ratio in the LS V8 engine is? If this was easy, there'd be a truckload of people out there doing it. Find one for me.

Buy an LS, learn something about it, and THEN come back and comment about turbos. :screwy: Do you know what the compression ratio in the LS V8 engine is? If this was easy, there'd be a truckload of people out there doing it. Find one for me.

The compression ratio of the LS V8 is 10.55:1...that's not too high to be turbo'd. The problem is, people who don't know about engines are out there trying to figure out what to do about performance. Leave it to professionals who know how to lower compression ratios. And, for the record, a guy I know slapped twin K26's on a Ferrari F50- with 11:3:1 compression ratio. Leave tuning to the professionals.

The Professionals (http://Boykinracing.us/index3.htm) :sunglasse

Like I said, "Find one for me." I know probably twenty people who would pay good money to pressurize their LS's. Find me one.

I've been looking, I haven't seen one either. The Lincoln LS is not what you'd call the "tuners" choice, which mainstream parts are made for. If someone were to turbocharge their LS, it would definately be a custom job, which is right up our ally. Tell those twenty people to shoot me an email directly at [email protected], and ask me any questions. :sunglasse

Superchargers Suck, but these guys put one on the LS, but this provides proof that forced induction can be done on the motor. not mclaren engines either (http://www.specialvehicles.com/ls/52.htm)

Turbo is the way to go: TurboWorks (http://boykinracing.us/index3.htm)
:sunglasse

SVC's never worked. I know a guy who bought one, maybe the first. He ended up with nitrous instead...at SVC's expense, since they couldn't deliver. Anybody can bolt parts together. Making them run right and without self-destructing after a couple thousand miles is quite another thing.

McLaren's never worked either. It was a show queen. One of several reasons Lincoln dropped the project.

If you can do it, that's great. However, myself and my friends will need more than lip-service to believe it.

SVC's never worked. I know a guy who bought one, maybe the first. He ended up with nitrous instead...at SVC's expense, since they couldn't deliver. Anybody can bolt parts together. Making them run right and without self-destructing after a couple thousand miles is quite another thing.

McLaren's never worked either. It was a show queen. One of several reasons Lincoln dropped the project.

If you can do it, that's great. However, myself and my friends will need more than lip-service to believe it.

That's unfortunate for those guys. I, however, don't embark on projects I can't handle, and everything I do is guaranteed by lifetime warranty. Whatever be the case, unless I stumble upon a LS sometime in the future, you won't be seeing parts or TurboWorks systems from us. I, on a better note, tune Audis and Porsches for a living, where lip service gets you on the gurus list (I am certified guru on AudiWorld.com, and Roadfly.org) :lol:

John L Boykin, II
Founder and Chief Eng.
BoykinRacing.us -Where all cars have turbo. (http://boykinracing.us)

If the market was really out there to put a turbo kit on i would look into customizing one. But....the kit wouldnt be less than $8,000. No kidding, there is NO room under the hood of these cars. I am done with a cold air kit i made for the LS. Im really thinking about making two separate kits, one that follows the original piping and another that goes back down the firewall and grab air from underneath. Havnt got pics up yet ...but will very soon. Im using .03 thick steel that is powdercoated inside and out as a polished look with a open air K&N cone filter. Talk about unleashing a awsome sound when excellerating!

Later, Nathan

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[QUOTE=CougarSVT]If the market was really out there to put a turbo kit on i would look into customizing one. But....the kit wouldnt be less than $8,000. No kidding, there is NO room under the hood of these cars. I am done with a cold air kit i made for the LS. Im really thinking about making two separate kits, one that follows the original piping and another that goes back down the firewall and grab air from underneath. Havnt got pics up yet ...but will very soon. Im using .03 thick steel that is powdercoated inside and out as a polished look with a open air K&N cone filter. Talk about unleashing a awsome sound when excellerating!
\QUOTE]

Cold Air Intakes of the future will use stock pipes, airboxes, and filters, still producing intake temperatures 50% below ambient. No more will we have to build sophisticated intake setups to grab air from ground locations. The airboxes themselves will serve as self-sufficient cold-air producers...the technology is coming. :sunglasse

Use stock pipes??? How could you beat the polished look AND the temp reduction powdercoated piping has ( not aluminum ). I've been in the plastic industry and saw and ground alot of different plastic, but none out there would even come close to the temperature reduction powdercoated piping has. Again...Aluminum is not what im talking about. Those intakes (aluminum) are junk....probably higher intake temp and loss of HP..
This may not be much more than 10HP gain....but you also get a awsome sound and higher gas mileage! The other way to get more hp gain than anything else would be a ram setup (through hood/pressureized). This of course, is just my opinion.......

Later,
S. Nathan Brown

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damnit, I thought someone would have figured out a supercharger kit for it by now. No one? shoot.
time to swap for a jag.

damnit, I thought someone would have figured out a supercharger kit for it by now. No one? shoot.
time to swap for a jag.

Since you're getting a Euro :biggrin:

Eurotuning (http://boykinracing.us/index4.htm)

audi ryder...can you help me at all? I love my LS and I would love to get more HP but apparently there is no suitable supercharger/turbo package...

Sure I can help you...I specialize in custom performance solutions. Just tell me how you drive (driving habits), what kind of performance gains you're looking for, and how much money your looking to spend to attain your goals and we'll definately work something out. Send me some contact information to my direct email, [email protected] and I'll get back to you as soon as possible.

Hey dude.. Forget about the LS and dropping serious CA$H into it. Best thing you can do is pull the positive from the battery overnight and connect it back in the morning, then drive it like a bat out of hell. The transmission shift points will tune and give you a crisper car. I'm a 2001 LS sport package owner.. and a speed freak and an X-airplane mechanic. I've done plenty of mods on other cars, but leave this one alone. The LS uses a de-rated Jaguar AJ8 motor. The only thing de-rated about it is the absents of variable valve timing, (that gives a slight top end kick on the high side on the Jag motor). The lower end torque is on par with the Jag motor. Run with 91+ gas and maybe K&N if you feel like washing air filters, ditch the spare tire and that's it about it. Check out Jaguar's site. The S type is the same chassis as the LS as is the Thunderbird. The Jag s type weighs in a little more on the scales, but the new 4.2L supercharged Jag S type runs 0-60 in 5.3, (according to Jaguar's web site.) The big XKR with the same 4.2L supercharged motor runs it in 5.0 seconds flat. Even if you got all the power you wanted out of a custom motor in your LS, the suspension isn't set up for the best of launches and the limited slip differential is weak on bringing all the torque of a supercharged motor to both rear wheels. The larger XKR blows the smaller S type out of the water on 60 foot, 0-60 and 1/4 mile times - because it can hook up.

Check out Car & Drivers test results after their XJR was broken in durring a long term test. They measure 0-60 in 4.7 Seconds.. Good bye to most! And that was on last years 390 HP motor… This year it’s been boosted to 400 HP even.. ouch! Talk about a hook up!
http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=17&article_id=9014&page_number=2 (http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=17&article_id=9014&page_number=2)

By the way, what Car & Driver experienced with the worn in Jag motor is the same for my LS with it’s de-rated Jag AJ8 motor. It’s way quicker broken in with 93,000 miles, (with plenty of miles over 4000 RPM J ) than when I bought it new in 2001. Top speed indicated = 142 MPH on a motor supposedly rated at only 252 HP. (4th gear in sport shift mode, forces lockup on the torque converter Hello 1:1, take me to 142 please). No modifications on my LS – all stock, even stock OEM air filter from CarX. No speed limiter on the 2001 LS V8-Sport. Not sure about the other LS V8 models

My next ride is a 2006 Jag XJR with 400 HP, but next in year in 07, after Divorce season... Hello eBay!