Which car did you hate the most?

Which car did you hate the most?

And for which reason?



I start with me.

It's the Hyundai Accent 95-99.

Reason: Not confortable to drive and not sonory insulated.

I'd have to go with the Honda Prius. what has the world come to? not only sacrificing power but now pride?

Buy American, it's good for you :evillol:

I'd have to go with the Honda Prius. what has the world come to? not only sacrificing power but now pride?



Buy American, it's good for you


Did you mean Toyota Prius?

I don't understand why so much peoples hates the Prius?

Me I like it. It doesn't use a lot of fuel so it's ecologic.

I like the idea of shutting off the gasoline engine in the traffic, it makes a big difference in the mpg.

Don't need more that 100HP to drive in the city.

Nice body design too.

Another car I hate too, it's the new Honda Civic.
I hate its body design (my personal choice).
I found that it become more ugly since 2007.

If someone have a Civic, don't be offended.

I hated my 05 Chrysler Sebring. It had so many problems ( multiple transmission failures, coolant leaks, AC problems, and on and on) that the day it went out of factory warranty I traded it off. I couldn't afford to own it anymore, and, I pity the poor soul who bought it used.

Regards:
Oldengineer
06 Jaguar S-Type VDP
08 Saturn Aura XE 3.5

I know, Chrysler vehicles are reputated for being not reliable. It's why the company fails.

At least, they're beautiful and confortable to drive.

I know, Chrysler vehicles are reputated for being not reliable. It's why the company fails.

At least, they're beautiful and confortable to drive.


That's BS if I ever heard it. one thing we need to know bout your seebring is, was it a manuel transmission. if so then you drive like an idiot if not then you need to find a better mechanic cause the one you went to screwed you over.

and yea I ment Toyota Prius :rolleyes: lol, I mix Toyota and Honda up every once in a while. but I hate the Prius because its a sorry excuse for a vehicle, Ex. its got 110 Hp in the 2009 and it squeaked out 46 MPG (which is the cars only plus) yet it still costs $22,000 for the base model! and over 30K for the top model. if it was $6,000 then I'd consider it. and you get about 2 in. of ground clearence which where I live is a very bad thing. you'd be bottuming out in my drive way (no theres not a curb) heck the quad that my dad just sold had more horsepower than a prius. and it was a 400. (cost $3,500 new, just to set a picture)

Sebring are usually automatic. Both Chrysler and Ford, build bad transmission that fails often and cost a lot to repair. Especially in the Sebring/Intrepid model. So it doesn't suprise me. The engine is bad too.

Like you said, the Prius is not made for all kind of road. It's why a lot of peoples drive pick-up and big car, like me.

But for the downtown of Los Angeles, where is always traffic, the Prius is a suitable solution.

Alright dude first off learn some grammer that was painful to read. Second get your facts straight, I'm a Dodge guy but I'll admit Dodge trucks tend to have transmission problems around 100,000 miles almost like clockwork. But Fords transmissions are their main strong point. If the transmission in your Ford goes out before 200k miles you got unlucky of your hard on your car. though ford does tend to have electrical issues where they just turn off while your driving (mostly the 2002-2006's)
And I'd be a little suprised if a Prius could go up those hills in San Fransisco :lol:

I've been lucky, the transmission of my Windstar never fail. I've made 143K miles with it.

But the normal life of a Windstar transmission is between 80K and 140K miles.
Explorer and Taurus have same problems. For a Freestar it's even worst.

So the transmission of some Ford vehicles is their weakness point.
Only super duty Ford (F-series, E-series) have solid transmission.

Shpuker: Wish it was BS. The car was a 05 Sebring Signature Edition 2.7 automatic. During my period of ownership, I had 3 Chrysler dealerships, and, the local zone rep. working with it. I've had some bad cars in my time, but, this one was the worse ever by far. The tranny was totally rebuilt once, and repaired twice more for major leaks. The themostat housing had to replaced. The much of the front suspension was replaced under a recall. The front strut mounts had to be re-riveted because they came loose. The front brake rotors warped, and, were replaced under warranty. The AC started dumping condensate inside the vehicle on the floor, and, was repaired under warranty. The air filter box fractured, and, was replaced under warranty. My problem - driving it for business, I ran the miles up too fast to lemon-law it. The weekend I traded it off for a new Saturn, the tranny started whining loudly again - just like it did when the front pump in it failed the first time. I owned a dozen Chryslers, Dodges, and Plymouths before this car - this one totally cooked me on the brand. In the 3 years I owned it, it was in the shop for warranty work a total of 3.5 months. Don't tell me I was too hard on it, its predecessors went about 100K miles each with no problems. My first car, a 1937 Dodge 5 window business coupe, was more reliable than this thing.

Oldengineer

sounds like you drew the chewed up straw :puke:thats more problems than I've ever heard of someone having with one car. Dodge has been the poster child for Chrysler the last however many years any way lol

Nope - Chrysler drew the short straw - I won't be buying anymore of their stuff. Neither will three of my co-workers, who bought Sebrings, and had problems with them. All of them have swapped for other brands as well.

Regards:
Oldengineer

Alright dude first off learn some grammer that was painful to read. Second get your facts straight, I'm a Dodge guy but I'll admit Dodge trucks tend to have transmission problems around 100,000 miles almost like clockwork. But Fords transmissions are their main strong point. If the transmission in your Ford goes out before 200k miles you got unlucky of your hard on your car. though ford does tend to have electrical issues where they just turn off while your driving (mostly the 2002-2006's)
And I'd be a little suprised if a Prius could go up those hills in San Fransisco :lol:

mopar man here myself i will agree on the ford tranny though strong like bull and as far as a prius if they last as long as a camry there the smartest investment ever for any city dweller i cant belive the geo isnt on here geo metro talk about loosing all your pride

Nope - Chrysler drew the short straw - I won't be buying anymore of their stuff. Neither will three of my co-workers, who bought Sebrings, and had problems with them. All of them have swapped for other brands as well.

Regards:
Oldengineer

yeah but i bet your mechanic just loves them easy to work on and easy to sink so money in im a dodge lover but that was back when crysler was owned by crysler and they made a respectable car (challenger cudas ext.) but now its just gone a little down hill

My mechanic doesn't like me very much. If it's not covered under warranty on the factory's wallet, then I usually do my own wrenching on my cars. That was one of big problems with the three Chrysler dealers that worked on my lemon - they spent more time trying to bullshit me, than fixing my car. Their problem - I'm an ex-GM engineer, and, have been working on the family fleet since I was 14 years old (long time ago). I have no problem paying a competent mechanic to do work I'm not equipped to do in my home garage. I do however have a big problem with ones that turn out shoddy work, or, try to convince you the problem is non-exisitant. For example: The dealer mechanics that rebuilt the tranny in my Sebring the first go around actually ripped off all the heat shields off both cat. convertors on my V6 when they pulled the tranny. Instead of simply unbolting them, they chopped them out and destroyed them. They also broke part of the engine's induction system as well. I filled a formal complaint with Chrysler, and, forced them to replace all the missing/damaged parts under warranty.

Regards:
Oldengineer

I don't like these kind of mechanics. They make mistakes, and they don't admit it.

My mechanic doesn't like me very much. If it's not covered under warranty on the factory's wallet, then I usually do my own wrenching on my cars. That was one of big problems with the three Chrysler dealers that worked on my lemon - they spent more time trying to bullshit me, than fixing my car. Their problem - I'm an ex-GM engineer, and, have been working on the family fleet since I was 14 years old (long time ago). I have no problem paying a competent mechanic to do work I'm not equipped to do in my home garage. I do however have a big problem with ones that turn out shoddy work, or, try to convince you the problem is non-exisitant. For example: The dealer mechanics that rebuilt the tranny in my Sebring the first go around actually ripped off all the heat shields off both cat. convertors on my V6 when they pulled the tranny. Instead of simply unbolting them, they chopped them out and destroyed them. They also broke part of the engine's induction system as well. I filled a formal complaint with Chrysler, and, forced them to replace all the missing/damaged parts under warranty.

Regards:
Oldengineer



i feel you sir i spent my whole life working with my dad and 4 years in class i'd work on my mother and step fathers cars but they got warrentys so my mother's wheel is shaking and she takes it in check tires thats all i send her back to make them check the hub make sure its not warped and check drive-line vibration typical grees monkey then tells her there all like that and there not going to do anything becuase i dont even think they know what drive line vibration is that was a month ago with her brand new kia(junk) then my step fathers truck had a check engine light on ruptured evap diagphram the mech. he trust has one of his guys fixes this 2 weeks later the codes back small evap leak they tell my s-father its a emession leak and he cant tell what emission sys. it is so i just happen to be over with my fancy 20 doller pocket scan tool and inform the mechanic ohhhh he was not happy seing as my ignorant step father relized when they worked on the evap system they didnt put it back together tight lets just say he got a couple free oil changes and an oppertunity to scream

Which model is the Kia? I don't think that all Kia are like that.

About your step father's truck, an evap leak is not important at all. It only cause more vapor emission. It affect the environment only. Caused most of the time by rust underneath truck.

BTW, why so many peoples neglect anti-rust treatment?

Which model is the Kia? I don't think that all Kia are like that.

About your step father's truck, an evap leak is not important at all. It only cause more vapor emission. It affect the environment only. Caused most of the time by rust underneath truck.

BTW, why so many peoples neglect anti-rust treatment?

its the sorento and i know it didnt come like that but instead fixing it because most mech. dont know alot about drive line vibration they f'd her over and told her it was supose to be like that when all that extra vibration might cause problems in the future and my mom even knew that cause the one she test drove didnt do it i dont like mechanics like this who neglect problems becuase they dont know

and his truck they did work on the evap system erased the code and then a code poped up 2 weeks later(after a drive cycle) that there was a small leak then wouldent tell them what the code specificaly ment cuz he would of known that they just worked on the system that has the problem now i come with my scan tool tell him its a small evap leak and he says it was just broght in for an evap repair an anyone can put to and to together

for your question i would have to say a mix of ignorance not knowing about anti rust treatment and most pll only planing on owning there car for the 100,000 mile warrenty and trading it in so they dont care but there would be alot of beautiful cars still around if they didnt

Jetsfan:

You gotta love these guys. I once asked a dealer to put a new pollen filter in my car while it was being serviced. The idiot that worked on it got heavy handed and cracked my windshield across the bottom - about a 6" crack. Should have heard them trying to talk their way out of fixing it. Ended up costing the dealer $700 to fix my car.

Regards:
Oldengineer

Oldengineer; seriously i mean i can do most work on car but if i dont know what im doing or im sceptical ill get someone else or ask someone and i dont even have a head tech next to me, these mech. have a head tech sitting right there but cuz of pride or just thinking therethey can do everything like a nascar pit stop(as fast as possible) they mess everything up. i feel sorry for the person who dosent know and could get charged that 700 that you got them to pay for becuase they dont know much about cars and auto class is the best investment you can make even if its not ur specialty

well we all seem to agree on one thing, my mom took her car to Big-O to get her tires rotated, the damn mechanics didn't tighten the lugnuts.... and funny story my sister hit a deer going 75 in her truck:eek7: all it did was trash the bumper and head light lol. I don't think she'll ever get all the guts cleaned off.

my mom took her car to Big-O to get her tires rotated, the damn mechanics didn't tighten the lugnuts....


Tightening lug nuts to spec is like breathing. It must always be done.

Funny, I just filled out an online car survey where I was asked which I I would never want to own. I wonder what scientists will do with the information - but apparently I will receive a "personal profile".
Here is the link if you would also want to tell science about your most hated car - but also about car fanatics:
www.unipark.de/uc/drive/

ant dodge minivan they were terrible had a 98 and went through 3 tranny rebilds and said screw it and junked it and bought my f250 and now I am glad.

ant dodge minivan they were terrible had a 98 and went through 3 tranny rebilds and said screw it and junked it and bought my f250 and now I am glad.

Umm not sure what language that was but you probaly shoulda not let them screw you over on the rebuild

Chrysler/Dodge products. Absolutely terrible to average at best. You find many Chrysler hate sites over the internet more than any vehicle manufacturer. Chrysler has made so much garbage over the years and basically besides their trucks and a few models they don't even come close to other manufacturers in terms of quality. The only thing decent about dodge is their trucks, their cars can be decent at times, but many reliability issues and just little crap things that happen. One Dodge vehicle I can name that has had unexcuseable problems is the early 2000's Dodge Durangos are just terrible for engine sludge problems that have made the vehicles undriveable. Guess what Dodge a lot of the time would just blame the problem on the owner saying it was"lack of maitience or some bull. Very terrible deal.

Also another huge problem dodge is known for the is 2.7 L mitsubishi engine in the interpids and it might of been in another Chrysler vehicle. Absolute piece of crap engine with so many problems. Chrysler often wouldn't admit their fault for this either. Also in the mix we have histories of faulty transmissions, seatbelts, unreliablity you name it. Not that all manufactures haven't had their own crapsies before but dodge certainly has been extremely bad to the point of just wow. I can't name all of the issues but those are just some. Google dodge Chyrsler problems and you will find much information to expand upon what I said. If your a Dodge fan thats cool, but in all honesty its hard to see whats going for them.

If you put any brand name in front of problems your
Gona get a big ass list off hate sites. I've had 3 dodges and none of them had any major problems

And chevy is the most notorious american car maker for having problems in major systems. A bunch of my friends have had Chevys and absolutly hated them

And if your gona play this game, it's the duramax engine not the chevy it's the powerstroke not the ford it's the vtec not the honda I can go all day

And if your gona play this game, it's the duramax engine not the chevy it's the powerstroke not the ford it's the vtec not the honda I can go all day now take your bull shit and shove it

Ok I can tell you a passionate Dodge fan. I toned my post down quite a bit because well yeah it was a little too harsh maybe and I didn't want to type a monster post to back everything up. Also you seem a little fired up and want to get to me and I wont continue it.

And if your gona play this game, it's the duramax engine not the chevy it's the powerstroke not the ford it's the vtec not the honda I can go all day now take your bull shit and shove it

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The Pontiac Aztec,UGLY!Ford electronic transmissions do have problems and I know one transmission shop that works on lots of them over GM and Chrysler transmissions.Plus they are horrible to diagnose for problems and their transaxles have lube problems burning up final drives and clutches.This transmission shop I know bangs their head against the wall when diagnosing a problem with a Ford transmission.In the E4ODs,have a piston in the valve body that sticks.You can put in them slamming them in with a hammer which move during a rebuild.In the vehicle is another story,it sticks and cause problems.There is an upgraded piston for this transmission.The transmissions in the dodge trucks are very bulletproof when rebuilt right and the transmission in the 1998 to 2004 intrepids and concordes are bullet proof also.Most yards do not get calls for the 1998 to 2004 intrepid/concorde transmission,they have problems with the speeds sensors and that is the only problem with them them.I am good with the 4l60Es,replacing the sunshells and doing one upgrade to the direct drum only.The direct drum has 5 black springs inside and there is one thing to do with them: THROW THEM AWAY!!!The restrict the clutches from floating and burn up clutches

Whats ford transmissions have to do with the Pontiac Aztec? or was that a seperate thought?

And spaces are your friend

Toyota RAV 4
it's excuse to be spacious and able to fit in 6 people in it is just wrong.
and not that comfortable to drive in.

I don't like most of japanese cars either, especially Honda CR-V and Honda Civic. I just don't like the look and the interior.

Whats ford transmissions have to do with the Pontiac Aztec? or was that a seperate thought?

And spaces are your friend

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

It's just funny.

The car I hate most is the Hummer H2, even though I have never owned or driven one I despise this vehicle. And not just because all the 'green' stuff either, although that does play a factor. It is monstrously big, yet has the same interior space as a midsize station wagon. It is supposed to be the 'king of off-road', but its too big and heavy for narrow woods trails or for serious rock climbing, and forget about the snow - good luck pulling that out of a snowbank. And because it weighs more than Jupiter, it sucks to drive on a paved road. So really, its not good at anything...

So really, its not good at anything...

It's good on pothole, good confort on the road. Good for long trip on highway. At least, it's better than a Hyundai Accent 95.

In my area, there's a lot of these patholes, so it's the first factor that I consider when I buy a car.

Here's an example:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ahuvxRitU74/SZpUiwoKR5I/AAAAAAAAMcQ/HgqtRE1fCHs/s400/potholes_chicago.jpg

I forget to say, I hate also the Oldmobile Cutlass Supreme 88-97.
So many coolant leak, very bad interior odor, not fun to drive at all, inneficient rear leaf spring, bad quality turn signal, steering wheel too big. Old man style.

I hate anything american, waste of time and money. Over priced gas guzzling ego-boosters. I like fast cars dont get me wrong but spending 1 day a week in the garage because i drive an american car just doenst seem like my style. The only reason americans love their cars so much is because they have so much of their tax dollars trying to bail them out. I have an idea instead of giving them more money lets let the try and figure out on their own why they cant make money.... because they make an inferior product. Thats enough ranting and raving for now, untill next time.:banghead:

I hate anything american, waste of time and money. Over priced gas guzzling ego-boosters. I like fast cars dont get me wrong but spending 1 day a week in the garage because i drive an american car just doenst seem like my style. The only reason americans love their cars so much is because they have so much of their tax dollars trying to bail them out. I have an idea instead of giving them more money lets let the try and figure out on their own why they cant make money.... because they make an inferior product. Thats enough ranting and raving for now, untill next time.:banghead:

Another person stuck in the 70's........ tis a shame

I love American cars because they don't all focus on the practical side of the brain like the oh-so-successful Toyota and Honda. True, this type of vehicle may not suit everyone's lifestyle, but I'm glad they are out there. Without vehicles like the new Challenger, Camaro, 300C, Charger, CTS, even the new Lincoln MKS and Ford Taurus SHO, these cars are bringing interesting design to a boring segment. IMO, American companies bring attractive cars to family budgets. You can get an incredible car from Germany or Italy, but it is unattainable to the average buyer, but the guy who just got a job at a new construction gig can pick up a new Camaro for $24K. And that's the way it should be - fun cars, even if they can be a headache, should be available to anyone not just the elite and wealthy.

As much as I bash these cars without refrain (Shpuker will attest to this, ha ha!) I do have a soft spot for them. They are cars that meet people's 'wants', not necessarily their 'needs'. And as far as everybody bitching about the bailout, it may be a contrived and greed-laden issue but you know what? If one of my country's major manufacturers was threatening to disappear, I'd lend a helping hand too. It was good times when such loyalty wasn't considered out of place.

Another person stuck in the 70's........ tis a shame
If anyone is stuck in the 70's it's chevy and chrysler owners. what do the 70's have to do with japanese cars? Dont't just say something back it up.

I love american cars. Very confortable to drive, lot of option, and very beautiful design. I'm thinking about Chrysler Intrepid, Ford Taurus, Windstar, Mustang, Chevrolet Impala... All the stock. But yes, most of them are not good quality car and alway need service.

But in future, they will build EV. Because electric engines are less complexe than combustion engines and hydraulic transmission, american cars will be reliable as Japanese cars.

Obviously you own a Ford Windstar, and you may even be proud of that Windstar (power to ya) but don't try and convince anyone it's a thing of beauty. A Ferrari F40 is beautiful, a Maserati Gran Turismo, or an Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione. But a Windstar? Let's all be honest here, it was never intended to be anything but a people mover, and it pretty much stops there.

Yes, it's beautiful van. Check this 2000 Windstar SEL:

http://www.ventureautosales.com/photos/02%20Windstar/02Windstar1.jpg

Of course, european cars are beautiful too. I was comparing Americans to Honda/Toyota/Mazda only.

Yep. It looks like a Pagani Zonda with room for 7... :banghead:

If anyone is stuck in the 70's it's chevy and chrysler owners. what do the 70's have to do with japanese cars? Dont't just say something back it up.

......... in the 70's Japanese cars were by far better quality, in the early 80's it was quite similar, then in the late 80's and through the 90's and to the 2000's American and European cars are now the best quality. Why you ask? Because the Japanese auto makers have started to look for the cheapest way they can possibly make a car. EX the Prius. Its literally the most useless car in the world. sure it gets 40 MPG, so do the VW TDI's... and the Mercedes diesels..... and a lot of other cars that are either A) cheaper, B) better quality, C) faster, or all of the above. Japanese cars aren't the best at ANYTHING.

......... in the 70's Japanese cars were by far better quality, in the early 80's it was quite similar, then in the late 80's and through the 90's and to the 2000's American and European cars are now the best quality. Why you ask? Because the Japanese auto makers have started to look for the cheapest way they can possibly make a car. EX the Prius. Its literally the most useless car in the world. sure it gets 40 MPG, so do the VW TDI's... and the Mercedes diesels..... and a lot of other cars that are either A) cheaper, B) better quality, C) faster, or all of the above. Japanese cars aren't the best at ANYTHING.

So you're basing all of your opinions of Japanese cars on one car, which you're wrong about? It's just a personal bias, just admit it and be proud of it but don't try to back it up with false information. I'm not a fan of the Prius but it makes sense for commuters and urban drivers, because it gets significantly better mileage than comparable gas or diesel cars. You say it gets 40mpg? Close - 48 city, 45 highway. The VW TDI 'clean diesel' gets 30 city, 41 highway. The Prius is a full 18 mpg difference in the city, which is about the mileage of an average SUV. Not to mention 25% less CO2 emissions. The Prius is built well, even original models are still on the road with few or no recalls - what has the new Camaro had, like 3 already? The Prius is boring to drive (and therefore useless to enthusiasts) but it does what it was intended to do very well.

Look on the road today and see how many 12+ year old Domestics you see versus Toyota/Honda. Everywhere I look people have 2nd gen 1992-1996 Camry's, and those little tiny Civic hatchbacks form the early 1990's. If you happen to have bought a mid-90's Toyota 4Runner and kept it up, you can still sell it today for $5-8K, how much would a Blazer go for? How many Ford Escorts are out there, or K-Cars from Chrysler, or even the Dodge Stratus, Neon, Taurus...you may find a few but not in common sight.

The point is Japan builds better quality cars, it's proven by the numbers. Look up any statistic to find repair and service history on Japanese cars vs. Domestic. I'm not trying to argue, I don't have to, you can look it up. But if you did want to say that you like American cars better because they are more fun, better looking and more interesting, I would agree with you 100%. They are, no doubt about it.

Shpuker (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/member.php?u=622759) you should really do research on what your saying before you say it because honestly you make no sense at all most of your posts are incorrect including this one. Remember, just because you say it doenst make it true. The quality of japanese cars is just as good today as it has ever been. I agree with the previous post, if you like american that's fine but dont put down Japanese using false facts it cheapens this forum which I enjoy quite a bit.

Thanx

Shpuker (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/member.php?u=622759) you should really do research on what your saying before you say it because honestly you make no sense at all most of your posts are incorrect including this one. Remember, just because you say it doenst make it true. The quality of japanese cars is just as good today as it has ever been. I agree with the previous post, if you like american that's fine but dont put down Japanese using false facts it cheapens this forum which I enjoy quite a bit.

Thanx

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Show me a jap car thats more reliable, more poweerful, better looking and gets better mileage than a likewise American car.

So you're basing all of your opinions of Japanese cars on one car, which you're wrong about? It's just a personal bias, just admit it and be proud of it but don't try to back it up with false information. I'm not a fan of the Prius but it makes sense for commuters and urban drivers, because it gets significantly better mileage than comparable gas or diesel cars. You say it gets 40mpg? Close - 48 city, 45 highway. The VW TDI 'clean diesel' gets 30 city, 41 highway. The Prius is a full 18 mpg difference in the city, which is about the mileage of an average SUV. Not to mention 25% less CO2 emissions. The Prius is built well, even original models are still on the road with few or no recalls - what has the new Camaro had, like 3 already? The Prius is boring to drive (and therefore useless to enthusiasts) but it does what it was intended to do very well.

Look on the road today and see how many 12+ year old Domestics you see versus Toyota/Honda. Everywhere I look people have 2nd gen 1992-1996 Camry's, and those little tiny Civic hatchbacks form the early 1990's. If you happen to have bought a mid-90's Toyota 4Runner and kept it up, you can still sell it today for $5-8K, how much would a Blazer go for? How many Ford Escorts are out there, or K-Cars from Chrysler, or even the Dodge Stratus, Neon, Taurus...you may find a few but not in common sight.

The point is Japan builds better quality cars, it's proven by the numbers. Look up any statistic to find repair and service history on Japanese cars vs. Domestic. I'm not trying to argue, I don't have to, you can look it up. But if you did want to say that you like American cars better because they are more fun, better looking and more interesting, I would agree with you 100%. They are, no doubt about it.

Ugh you just can't go a day without bein a tool ey?
http://buyersguide.caranddriver.com/toyota/prius

or

http://buyersguide.caranddriver.com/volkswagen/golf

Look the better ones cheaper.... Diesel > Hybrid, cheaper to maintain, similar if not better mileage, and no frekin betteries

I am not even gonna try anymore you are a hopeless cause and a waste of my time. You really are very narrow minded and ill informed when it comes to this subject.

Yea go ahead and quit once you fall behind ;) lol

Seriously though, the Prius isn't worth 20 grand. it probably cost 2k to make.... Not to mention it looks like shit, has batteries that cost a fortune to replace, a much more complicated system so naturally there's a lot more things that can possibly go wrong. Its a POS and there are better options. I don't really see the issue here thats pissin you off so much

The only thing I am behind is your mom lol

The only thing I am behind is your mom lol

:lol:

Okay, you two, ease up and lets not get personal about this. Keep the discussion clean and related to the subject at hand please. Personal attacks are not permitted here as per user guidelines.

Consider this a warning.

The only thing I am behind is your mom lol


That's what she said..... Wait a second...

while a prius may be a dumb choice for someone living out in the country -- or for doing anything off road -- it is pretty much ideal for a city driver, as jetsfan noted. but yeah, a little pricey. (fun to drive though!)