resin parts/kits - how much would you pay?

Hello guys,

how much would you pay?

there is a discussion underway in another thread (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=958049) about parts/kit prices. I didn't want to hijack the thread. However, I am curious how much money each one of you (and your buddies active only on other forums) would be ready to part with for aftermarket parts/kits.

I think there are a few questions to be asked and answered. Would anyone of you buy simplified resin kits, like "just body" or "just spoiler"?? There a many full detail kits available, but is there interest in going "back to the basics"?

It would be really interesting to see how much money people are ready to part with for certain things. Full detailed multi media kit from Japan? Yeah... probably a couple of hundred dollars/euros, that's a given. But how about the small stuff? I remember that Chris (flyonthewall) sold his SAS parts as kits and individually, for reasonable prices.

Please mouth your opinion on individual prices for these items and add to it whichever parts you think appropriate (please specify if USD or EUR!!!):

A: 1x front spoiler/valance
B: 2x side skirts
C: 1x rear valance
D: 1x rear spoiler or wing (may include additional rooftop spoiler)
E: kit incl. 1x A, 1xB, 1x C, 1x D
F: kit incl. 1x A, 1xB, 1x C, 1x D, plus decals
G: kit incl. 1x A, 1xB, 1x C, 1x D, plus 4x wheels/tires

H: 1x full body to modify existing kit (incl. lights, windows, mesh, decals...)
K: 1x full body incl. 1xH plus additional parts like photo etch set, screen printed windows, etc.

L: full detail multi media kit "all inclusive" (think: Hiro, S27, etc.)

M: 4x wheels/tires

I think there might be a lot more to add, but this could give the aftermarket manufacturers a general idea on how much they can ask for a set of resin parts / a kit and if it is at all feasible to think about producing it.

You should take into consideration that there is a huge amount of cost involved upfront, before the manufacturer can even think about advertising or even selling the parts/kits. I dearly hope that a huge number of people give their opinions and support this thread.

Both sides are going to have an advantage from this: the modelers because they have the opportunity to say what they want to see from the (mostly small) aftermarket companies. The companies are also going to be a lot wiser, and they can re-think their product portfolio and price list, leading to a more attractive and affordable selection of parts and kits.

Please be aware that you specify prices w/o shipping. Shipping is a whole different topic and I honestly think that resin casters and PE manufacturers are not responsible for what the local post/mail/fedex/DHL prices.

I am purposely not going to post any of the prices I think are suitable. It is you thread... make it big and all of us modelers will gain in terms of... well, just more :grinno:

Thank you for participating!!!

Cheers

Here you go:

A: 1x front spoiler/valance - 10 Euro
B: 2x side skirts - 10 Euro
C: 1x rear valance - 10 Euro
D: 1x rear spoiler or wing (may include additional rooftop spoiler) - 5 Euro

Before I continue, I have a question. What use to have 2xB = 4x side skirts?!

E: kit incl. 1x A, 2xB, 1x C, 1x D - 30 Euro
F: kit incl. 1x A, 2xB, 1x C, 1x D, plus decals - depending on decals 35-40 Euro
G: kit incl. 1x A, 2xB, 1x C, 1x D, plus 4x wheels/tires - 42 Euro

H: 1x full body to modify existing kit (incl. lights, windows, mesh, decals...) - 50 Euro
K: 1x full body incl. 1xH plus additional parts like photo etch set, screen printed windows, etc.

L: full detail multi media kit "all inclusive" (think: Hiro, S27, etc.) - 130 - 150 Euro

M: 4x wheels/tires - if it's wheels + tires then 12-16 Euro

hi!! personnaly to depend the quality of the parts in fit and accuracy and also the quality of the casting. I see a lot of resin parts and full kit at a low price but with more buble than a Oreo chocolate bar on it. this is one of the worst thing that happen to us manufacturer to find other people selling this kind of piece of crap.

when a modeller buy a kit with this quality and pay the price... what ever the price is it's to expensive, he will not buy or will be very suspiscious to buy other resin kit.

my philosophy is.... i will not sell a part that i will not buy myself. and to fix the price same rule.. what is the price i'm ready to pay for the parts or kit.

of course i try to be the lowest as possible. but it's not always possible.

anyway I hope you will like the new SAS products as well the original.

thank's again Chris

yours

A: 1x front spoiler/valance - $10
B: 2x side skirts - $10
C: 1x rear valance -$10
D: 1x rear spoiler or wing (may include additional rooftop spoiler) - $20
E: kit incl. 1x A, 2xB, 1x C, 1x D - $80
F: kit incl. 1x A, 2xB, 1x C, 1x D, plus decals - $95
G: kit incl. 1x A, 2xB, 1x C, 1x D, plus 4x wheels/tires - $100

H: 1x full body to modify existing kit (incl. lights, windows, mesh, decals...)-$110
K: 1x full body incl. 1xH plus additional parts like photo etch set, screen printed windows, etc.-$125

L: full detail multi media kit "all inclusive" (think: Hiro, S27, etc.)- $200

M: 4x wheels/tires -$20

Before I continue, I have a question. What use to have 2xB = 4x side skirts?!

Errr... it is meant as 1x left + 1x right = 2x skirt :thumbsup:



:banghead: my fault, fixed now. Thanks for pointing it out bro'.

A: 1x front spoiler/valance - $10
B: 2x side skirts - $10
C: 1x rear valance -$10
D: 1x rear spoiler or wing (may include additional rooftop spoiler) - $20
E: kit incl. 1x A, 2xB, 1x C, 1x D - $80

You really would pay 80 USD for a lot of parts that bought separately would only cost 50 USD?!

You must be the dream customer of any retailer! ;)

:( too much. I probably will get that R8 still. But I just happen to buy stupid expensive stuff for no reason most of the time. The one resin kit that just might be worth, the MFH James Dean 550 spyder. $150. And definitely more for the $ than the R8.
http://www.stradasportsstore.com/media/studio27/MFH/550spider

Actually I'd agree with his prices if he's thinking base kit plus item's a, b, c, and d.

You really would pay 80 USD for a lot of parts that bought separately would only cost 50 USD?!

You must be the dream customer of any retailer! ;)

:grinyes::grinyes: I was figuring that it would include a plastic kit, and all the other resin goodies.

Talking about how much one would pay for something is irrelevant. It all depends for WHAT one would pay. I would pay $450-500 without thinking for an old, bad quality, curbside Q-model Dino kit, but I would never pay more than $200 for a much better, modern, much more detailed Hiro kit of the same subject with excellent decals for several liveries. It is WHAT, not how much.

Talking about how much one would pay for something is irrelevant. It all depends for WHAT one would pay. I would pay $450-500 without thinking for an old, bad quality, curbside Q-model Dino kit, but I would never pay more than $200 for a much better, modern, much more detailed Hiro kit of the same subject with excellent decals for several liveries. It is WHAT, not how much.

Is that for rarity sake? I can understand paying more for something that just isn't made any more, but if a modern version is available why not?

Talking about how much one would pay for something is irrelevant. It all depends for WHAT one would pay. I would pay $450-500 without thinking for an old, bad quality, curbside Q-model Dino kit, but I would never pay more than $200 for a much better, modern, much more detailed Hiro kit of the same subject with excellent decals for several liveries. It is WHAT, not how much.

i was thinking the exact same thing...if it is a super rare subject then all bets are off...but if it is something that is easy to find then that is a different story.

I suppose we are talking about kits that are released or to be released, nothing rare or such.

I suppose we are talking about kits that are released or to be released, nothing rare or such.

Same thing - if somebody really wants a transkit for car "A" and will pay $50 for it, another person having no interest in car "A" whatsoever will not pay anything for it. Hypothetical threads like that are pretty much meaningless IMO.

Same thing - if somebody really wants a transkit for car "A" and will pay $50 for it, another person having no interest in car "A" whatsoever will not pay anything for it. Hypothetical threads like that are pretty much meaningless IMO.

IMO the thread is OK.
He is willing to know what people would pay, not what a certain person would pay.
The answers if correctly interpreted statistically may provide good info for anyone interested.

The thread isn't hypothetical it's rather a generalist one and I think it's pertinent to the model building world reality.

It's probably too general and depends on too many other variables; most importantly, I reckon this is something that is very much dependent on the car model in question.

As an example, I would willingly pay the 50 or so £ for the Renaissance Porsche GT3 Road Challenge (also suitable for road RS car) transkit for Tamiya GT3. That kit includes new (otherwise unavailable) wheels, new front+rear bumper, new headlight covers, new rear wing, two seats, roll cage, PE details and new dash/steering/cockpit parts as well as a new race car interior.

But if there existed say a transkit to convert a Lamborghini Diablo SV into a late model 6.0 that had the exact same parts, I don't think I'd consider it.
I'd like the wheels though and I think £10-2 for a set of resin wheels isn't far off.

Then again, I don't think I'm the target audience for bodykit style parts.

IMO the thread is OK.
He is willing to know what people would pay, not what a certain person would pay.
The answers if correctly interpreted statistically may provide good info for anyone interested.

The thread isn't hypothetical it's rather a generalist one and I think it's pertinent to the model building world reality.

I think jano11 has made a really good point here. I'm interested in seeing the replies here since I produce a few resin parts.

Now to contribute something more to this thread...price depends (Or at least should) on a lot of things, mainly the quality and quantity of what you're getting. I'd rather pay more for fewer, but higher quality parts, than a whole box of stuff that's full of flaws that need to be fixed (Poor dimensions, air bubbles, rough spots, etc.) Also, the relevence of the parts is important too. If they're parts for a kit that no one buys, then a high price will most likely result in no sales. But if they're parts for something uber-popular, then a higher price can be justified due to the higher demand.

Sometimes trial-and-error is also the way to go, by adjusting the price until you seem to hit a 'sweet-spot' where customers are happy.

It's probably too general and depends on too many other variables; most importantly, I reckon this is something that is very much dependent on the car model in question.

As an example, I would willingly pay the 50 or so £ for the Renaissance Porsche GT3 Road Challenge (also suitable for road RS car) transkit for Tamiya GT3. That kit includes new (otherwise unavailable) wheels, new front+rear bumper, new headlight covers, new rear wing, two seats, roll cage, PE details and new dash/steering/cockpit parts as well as a new race car interior.

But if there existed say a transkit to convert a Lamborghini Diablo SV into a late model 6.0 that had the exact same parts, I don't think I'd consider it.
I'd like the wheels though and I think £10-2 for a set of resin wheels isn't far off.

Then again, I don't think I'm the target audience for bodykit style parts.

I think that picking extreme examples has little relevance to the biger picture, simply because each of us would pay a fortune for some parts but wouldn't even consider others.

The thread's question is a general question though and a good one.

IMO the thread is OK.
He is willing to know what people would pay, not what a certain person would pay.
The answers if correctly interpreted statistically may provide good info for anyone interested.

The thread isn't hypothetical it's rather a generalist one and I think it's pertinent to the model building world reality.

I see both sides of this conversation. Maybe if he could give us some examples of specific kits/pieces he was thinking of casting we could provide a more accurate response…

I am currently selling Mustang LX conversion bumpers for the revell cobra kit and will eventually be selling a Mustang LX coupe body. I sell the bumpers for $9 shipped to anywhere in the continental states, the bodies will be $30 and will include the windows. I heard of one company selling them for close to $70 for the body, hood, windows, and tail lights, that is rediculous in my opinion. Then again, this is a hobby for me and not really a business, merely trying to spread the love of the one off pieces I make

I see both sides of this conversation. Maybe if he could give us some examples of specific kits/pieces he was thinking of casting we could provide a more accurate response…

I think he isn't looking for an answer for a certain part or kit.

And he is right. Kit manufacturers aren't pricing kits in function of their possible popularity, it's based on the costs of production and the projected profit they want to make out of the production of a certain kit. This is how things should be done.

A manufacturer or artisan for that matter shouldn't base his business only on 50 die hard fans of a certain car, who will pay huge prices for it, he won't go far with such an approach, especially not in 1/24 scale kits that do not cost a fortune, though it might work for 1/8th and bigger and very expensive and limited kits, where he can live from selling only 50 copies or less.

When a producer is addressing a larger group like that of 1/24 scale builders than he needs to make his parts affordable for anyone.

Let's not forget that kits that now are very rare and cost a lot of money were released in runs of 100 pieces or more and were priced at a very reasonable level back than.

Speaking of the Renaissance Road Challenge transkit. It's the same price (without decals) as the Scale Production GT3 Carrera Cup transkit. If you compare the quality, is Renaissance overpriced or Scale Production a bargain? Opinions?

http://files.myopera.com/iJones/files/PB021759.jpg

http://files.myopera.com/iJones/files/PB021764.jpg

oh wow, that casting is really bad and those wheels aren't as good as they seem to be in other photos. Of course, the proviso that the kit parts are of a certain level in quality holds true and that £50 for a transkit that has the parts in the gt3 transkit still seems reasonable to me.
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One resin maker told me picking new offerings is a gamble. You make a set of parts that you think people will want, promote...and wait. He said sometimes they take off and you can't make parts fast enough. Other times the parts don't sell at all - at any price.

I personally think the internet is a good forum for producers to at least feel around for interest in a specific new offering before they commit to making a master. (Love to see someone make a Chairs-N-Flairs for my 246GT btw....Jano)

As far as price for current resin parts I WANT to have:
Set of wheels/tires: $10-20
Engine kit(block,trans,1/2shafts): $25-50
Body/chassis transkit: $50-65
Full kit (200+ parts): $175-225

Example: I've been buying resin lately from Historic Racing Miniatures. While their resin isn't perfect, it's pretty good. Their prices are reasonable and the subjects are cool in my opinion. The HRM Cobra Daytona Full Detail Kit IS perfect resin and a bargain at $185. My 330 P4 engine was a bit steep at $60 but the subject was one I had to have. Aso, the R&MM Ferrari engines are still a good deal even at $80 IMO.

Love to see someone make a Chairs-N-Flairs for my 246GT btw....Jano


Please have a bit of patience, Cheesy will do the seats and I'll do the wheels, but a bit of time is needed to get things right! :)

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Opinions?

http://files.myopera.com/iJones/files/PB021759.jpg

That casting on the left is the scuzziest object I've ever seen. Did they actually charge you money for that?!:screwy:

I'd be too embarrassed/ashamed to send that out the door with my name on it.

That casting on the left is the scuzziest object I've ever seen. Did they actually charge you money for that?!:screwy:
Well, yes. However, that's the worst part. The photoetched parts are actually quite nice and everything else is ok too. Sure the wheels need cleaning and the rollcage doesn't fit properly. :iceslolan
Easiest way to correct the interior IMHO is to get one of those Scale Production Carrera Cup transkits and make the necessary modifications for the rally version.

http://files.myopera.com/iJones/files/PB021759.jpg

Whenever I look at that casting on the left, I think of caramel candies. :screwy:

Whenever I look at that casting on the left, I think of caramel candies. :screwy:

Same here! :grinyes:
It looks like it did melt a bit.