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triptronic racing....


newrsx
04-02-2003, 04:27 PM
can anyone gimme some few pointers (actually, i need a full step by step) on how to race on a rsx - triptronic. Like when to change gears, do i start with 1-2-1-3-4-2-5? or ....?Thankx...

nmbr1hondatuner
04-09-2003, 07:22 AM
first off why are u racing a tronic. my buddy has a 03 eclipsr tronic and they are quick but uf u expect to race w/ a lot of power u will go thriugh tiptronic transmissions like every race. tiptronics are just like autos and cannot handle high horse. so ne way back to your question u can only go 1-2-3-4 and they do not have 5th gear! u cannot go from 1-4 or so on. so good luck!:flipa:

inferno
04-09-2003, 02:57 PM
I hate to break it to you nmbr1hondatuner, but the RSX has a 5 speed automatic. Also your comments about automatics are off. Most of the fast cars that don't have full racing air shifted transmission have automatic transmissions.

flylwsi
04-10-2003, 04:29 PM
tiptronics are just like autos and cannot handle high horse.

news flash.

tiptronics are autos.

sorry.

and a properly built vehicle, auto or manual, will have no problem with putting power down.

you can get a better tq convertor for an auto, and have no problem.

so unfortunately, you're not going to blow up your trans.

and if you shouldn't be racing a tiptronic car...

why are all F1 cars tiptronic (semi auto gearboxes)

why is the ferrari enzo "tiptronic"

you can get it in porsches...

bmw has SMG

audi/vw has their new DSG trans setup...

all of which are basically manually operated auto trannies..

(we can nit pick, and i know that some aren't quite that way)

but you get my idea.

the power glide 2 spd trans was preferred in racing for a long time, and it was *gasp* an auto...

drag racers prefer autos for their consistency...

not all, but most...

dodge's new drag neon is an auto...

anything else to back this up?

nmbr1hondatuner
04-11-2003, 06:52 AM
hey guess what the paddle shifters on a F1 car are totally different than an acura RSX tiptronic! sorry i thought the RSX was a 4 speed! your right about that. but i was not talking about a completely built rsx. i was talking about a mostly stock rsx tiptronic. not some $16,000 F1 paddle shifting automatic set up shit! :rolleyes:

inferno
04-11-2003, 02:49 PM
If you think that the transmission will not be able to handle it, you must be used to your fwd GM trannies. Sorry, couldn't help myself.:flipa:

flylwsi
04-11-2003, 07:56 PM
the point was there.

you neglected to comment on the other trannies that are noted...

interesting...
i'm pretty well aware of the difference b/n an F1 trans and an rsx.

the point is that an auto trans is not incapable of drag racing, especially consistently.

to tell someone they shouldn't be racing if they've got an auto/tip tronic tranny is ignorant.

telling them they'll blow a trans a race is also ignorant, more on the borderline of stupidity.

Neutrino
04-14-2003, 03:19 PM
Originally posted by flylwsi


news flash.

tiptronics are autos.

sorry.

and a properly built vehicle, auto or manual, will have no problem with putting power down.

you can get a better tq convertor for an auto, and have no problem.

so unfortunately, you're not going to blow up your trans.

and if you shouldn't be racing a tiptronic car...

why are all F1 cars tiptronic (semi auto gearboxes)

why is the ferrari enzo "tiptronic"

you can get it in porsches...

bmw has SMG

audi/vw has their new DSG trans setup...

all of which are basically manually operated auto trannies..

(we can nit pick, and i know that some aren't quite that way)

but you get my idea.

the power glide 2 spd trans was preferred in racing for a long time, and it was *gasp* an auto...

drag racers prefer autos for their consistency...

not all, but most...

dodge's new drag neon is an auto...

anything else to back this up?


You did not just called the transmission in F1 cars or ferrari's triptonic:eek: Take that back. tiptronic tronsmisions are manually sfited auto's

F1 and ferrari's have SEQUENTIAL transmissions which are manual transmisions with an automatic clutch and in the case of ferrari made by magnetti marelli.

Self
04-14-2003, 06:31 PM
Originally posted by Neutrino



You did not just called the transmission in F1 cars or ferrari's triptonic:eek: Take that back. tiptronic tronsmisions are manually sfited auto's

F1 and ferrari's have SEQUENTIAL transmissions which are manual transmisions with an automatic clutch and in the case of ferrari made by magnetti marelli.

YEAP, you right, you right:D

flylwsi
04-14-2003, 06:36 PM
that's why the FIA is going to ban "automatic" transmissions?

it's the same technology.

the 360 F1 has an "automatic" function.

it's the same idea, same technology.

an F1 car may not have an "auto" tranny, though it's the basis of the technology, and what has trickled down to the automotive world.

so, yeah, i'm right...

Neutrino
04-14-2003, 06:58 PM
Originally posted by flylwsi
that's why the FIA is going to ban "automatic" transmissions?

it's the same technology.

the 360 F1 has an "automatic" function.

it's the same idea, same technology.

an F1 car may not have an "auto" tranny, though it's the basis of the technology, and what has trickled down to the automotive world.

so, yeah, i'm right...

its not even close to be the same technology. please make some research before making statements. please pint out the torque converter or the bands in the sequetials

Polygon
04-14-2003, 08:10 PM
Originally posted by flylwsi
so, yeah, i'm right...

Ah, but you're not.

There is a huge difference between a triptronic and a sequential transmission.

Triptronic:

An automatic transmission is driven by hydraulics. The bands and torque converter replace the clutch that would be found in a manual. Triptronic allows you to shift as though you were driving a sequential. The two are VERY different though. Triptronic is just shifting through the gears manually on an automatic transmission. You would get the same effect starting in first, going to second, then third, and then drive on a normal automatic. There is nothing special about a triptronic setup.

Sequential:

These are used in Formula 1, Rally, and some high end exotic cars. This is a manual transmission with metal gears and a clutch. The only difference is that the computer controls the clutch timing. This allows for better and quicker shifts. Some have an "automatic mode" which will make it so you don't have to shift, but the transmission is still a manual.

There is a HUGE difference between a sequential and a triptronic transmission. It is not the same technology. Formula 1 and Rally DO NOT use automatic transmissions. Neither do the Ferraris, BMWs, and Mercedes that have paddle shifters. They are all manual sequential. It is like how some people think that they use automatics in top fuel drag racing, nope, manuals. How anyone would ever think that an automatic could handle that kind of power. The bands would tear them selves apart.

Self
04-14-2003, 10:12 PM
Originally posted by flylwsi
that's why the FIA is going to ban "automatic" transmissions?

it's the same technology.

the 360 F1 has an "automatic" function.

it's the same idea, same technology.

an F1 car may not have an "auto" tranny, though it's the basis of the technology, and what has trickled down to the automotive world.

so, yeah, i'm right...

Yea, like they said, you're definitely far off on this one:bloated:

MX100
04-14-2003, 10:21 PM
Originally posted by newrsx
can anyone gimme some few pointers (actually, i need a full step by step) on how to race on a rsx - triptronic. Like when to change gears, do i start with 1-2-1-3-4-2-5? or ....?Thankx...

I think he is lookin for some help with how to race with a triptronic adn not to hear u gusy argue about who is right and who is wrong? :)

94delsolSI
04-14-2003, 11:10 PM
whoever has said that automatics cant handle power. once you get to a certain power it is recommended to go automatic and about most drag cars being automatic they all are how would you like to go through your gears in 6 seconds wouldnt be very enjoyable let alone getting a stage 5 clutch down

flylwsi
04-14-2003, 11:18 PM
if your car blips the throttle for you, it's an automatic.
whether you're manually shifting it or not...

that's why the FIA is banning "fully automatic transmissions"

and if you want to get techy about it,

bmw's smg trans is not a sequential.

it's the same 6 spd, but shifted via paddle, without a clutch.

so is the 360F1. both of which have an automatic mode.

same with any porsche with tiptronic.

they don't have clutches, b/c they're not fully manual.

if the machine is doing the work, it's automatic. regardless of what the tranny is that's being driven, if you're not shifting, then it's doing it automatically, yes?

F1 trannies are the highest form of the said technology, where everything has streamed down from.

the car controls the clutch, the throttle, everything really...
all you do is tell it when to shift.

that's not even the slightest bit automatic?

i'm well aware of the difference b/n sequential and automatic trannies, however, the fact that the FIA calls the trannies in the cars "fully automatic" should get a hint across.

i'm willing to concede that they're not "automatic" in the traditional sense... yes...

it was simply part of my point about auto trannies being able to be raced and not blowing up.

why nit pick?
i'll back up everything i'm saying if you really want me to.

Neutrino
04-14-2003, 11:52 PM
just take it like a man and admit you were wrong

Polygon
04-14-2003, 11:58 PM
Originally posted by 94delsolSI
whoever has said that automatics cant handle power. once you get to a certain power it is recommended to go automatic and about most drag cars being automatic they all are how would you like to go through your gears in 6 seconds wouldnt be very enjoyable let alone getting a stage 5 clutch down

No, they're not. I have seen the clutches from top fuel drag cars. They don't have shifters like a normal manual. They have three levers and they pull them in succession.

Trust me, with 7000HP an automatic would be ripped to shreds.

I can't believe how many people have a hard time deciphering between what is a manual transmission and what is an automatic transmission. It is not how it is shifted that makes what kind of transmission it is. It is how the transmission works that decides that. And they manually shift in Formula 1 and Rally. I don't see how you can't see the difference between the two. They are VASTLY different.

Self
04-15-2003, 02:24 AM
Originally posted by Polygon


No, they're not. I have seen the clutches from top fuel drag cars. They don't have shifters like a normal manual. They have three levers and they pull them in succession.

Trust me, with 7000HP an automatic would be ripped to shreds.

I can't believe how many people have a hard time deciphering between what is a manual transmission and what is an automatic transmission. It is not how it is shifted that makes what kind of transmission it is. It is how the transmission works that decides that. And they manually shift in Formula 1 and Rally. I don't see how you can't see the difference between the two. They are VASTLY different.


Agreed, it's not how you shift, it's what kind of tranny it is, bottom line.

flylwsi
04-15-2003, 01:53 PM
since we're getting overly technical about the type of trans and how things work in it... i'll leave it alone.

newrsx
04-16-2003, 09:19 AM
ok so...triptronic....get some power and switch to automatic? rite?

flylwsi
04-16-2003, 11:40 AM
we're talking extremes.

your car will be better with a manual now, and most import drag racers run manual trannies...

you're not going to be as quick with your factory tranny unless you modify it...

flylwsi
04-16-2003, 11:41 AM
oh yeah...

it's TIP tronic, not TRIP.

ericonline
06-28-2003, 11:59 AM
Ya I am curious i.e. not so very smart, about this. I think the Import Tuner crowd (I don't know what catagory or any of that), the guys that run tube frame, special light weight, purpose built drag racers use what?

I'm asking because I want to learn more. The "big boyz" run automatics on the drag strip right? Well then I would think that the top class Import draggers are ?? using an automatic? O.k. I just thought, maybe they use a manual tranny with some type of air shifter?

Who knows? And the biggest question, who builds up these trannys?

iNgLi$
06-30-2003, 04:42 PM
http://autozine.kyul.net/technical_school/gearbox/tech_gear_manual.htm

:chair:

stilfly
12-05-2005, 02:16 PM
Well i have an 02 rsx with a Greddy 16g setup i make about 350 to the wheels and guess what its on a automatic tranny. triptronic shifters behind the wheel custom job. But i agree with both sides because as soon as i got to about 250hp and the drag radials the tranny blew in 2 gear, but the thing is i got another tranny had a custom torque converter installed. yea and it holds and just for the guy who posted the forum. The way u race a triptonic rsx is 1,2,3,4,5 just shift at the highest rpm thats the only way ur gonna make power but just remember its a automatic so the triptronic's sux off the line ur better of doing a roll from like 25 mph and shift in 1st and pedal to the floor u can chirp 1 and 2 with the car. But i kno for a fact my tranny will hold and after christmas will be the real test when i to the turbo upgrade dual ball barring baby.

GForce957
12-05-2005, 02:36 PM
Guess what

No one on this thread cares!

U know why? cause its several years ago smartie pants

Read when post dates before you join in.

DinanM3_S2
12-05-2005, 02:47 PM
I have gotten so tired of explaining to people the difference between an automatic and a sequential transmission. All im going to say is that you cant really categorize them as either manual or automatic. They don't use planetary gearboxes like an automatic, nor an H-gate setup like a manual. They are not tiptronic. They are simply sequential transmissions.

Read this-
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/sequential-gearbox.htm

"A sequential manual transmission is not to be confused with a "tiptronic" sort of automatic transmission. The tiptronic system may duplicate the shift lever motion of a sequential gearbox. However, because a tiptronic transmission is an automatic transmission at its core, it still has the torque converter and usually does not shift as quickly." (How Stuff Works)

PS. Just because it has paddle shifters doesn't mean it has a sequential transmission. Some companies are starting to offer paddle shifters to automatic/tiptronic style transmissions. The new Lexus IS350 has paddle shifters but they are connected to an automatic transmission.

crunchymilk55
12-05-2005, 03:50 PM
lol @ this thread

I saw some of the users posting and I knew something wasn't right

Ace$nyper
12-05-2005, 04:11 PM
Whoever dug this up?

I miss some of the posters here.

Self was cool as fuck.

93rollaracer
12-05-2005, 06:10 PM
Just let it die...

Drifty
12-05-2005, 09:34 PM
This is old

SiGNAL748
12-05-2005, 09:53 PM
Ibtl.

GForce957
12-05-2005, 10:11 PM
ZOMG IBTL!!!11Shift_1!

clawhammer
12-05-2005, 10:24 PM
ibtl

RACER D12
12-05-2005, 10:42 PM
hey hey I got a post in.



What ever did happen to self?

CassiesMan
12-05-2005, 11:11 PM
Ibtl+haxorz

209 SRT
12-06-2005, 03:51 AM
holy 2003 bat man......

TatII
12-06-2005, 04:32 AM
since everyone is post whoring. i might as well chime in too. damn i missed our token black mod. he was cool as hell.

Drifty
12-06-2005, 08:58 AM
fuhuqugwads!!

VG30DETT
10-30-2007, 10:01 PM
You know all of you are pretty much right.. except for nmbr1hondatuner hes way off lol, Triptronic Automatics can handle a ton of power not to mention as Fly said most drag cars are autos (not nececarily trippys but still autos) because you can chip out and tune an automatic transmission ratios (costly but still) to shift constantly and continually at the 'oppurtune' time '''similar''' to 'perfect' shifting a stanard / manual, I own a 91 300zx twin t with a 5 sp cranking close to 500 horse and an 05 jetta gli 1.8t with about all the aftermarket performance parts Forge and Oettinger offers for them and a K04 upgrade pulling close to 400 (with near equal torque might i add =] ) MY JETTA IS A TRIPTRONIC granted the tranny has been upgraded (ty neuspeed =] ) but it has no problems getting out of the hole and burning most anything in its class such as hondas, clipses, neons, other sport sedans, ive beaten many of beamer e60s and 3 series at the track (Nazareth for you Pennsylvania dwellers like myself) almost even beat my Z when my uncle was racing me in it at the airstrip, Trip/Auto transmissions may not be as fun as shifting on your own, and get put down constantly by people who just dont understand them or think they are weaker than a manual' but they 'can' be a hell of alot more effective for racing than a manual ever could be.

Please enter your rants, complaints, and disagreements ">here<"

subieskier
10-30-2007, 10:44 PM
Please enter your rants, complaints, and disagreements ">here<"

You've sunk to a new low, Anthony.

VR43000GT
10-30-2007, 10:51 PM
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GForce957
10-30-2007, 11:41 PM
ZOMG IBTL!!!11Shift_1!

I believe my 2005, younger, yet still unbelievably sexy self said it best...

I dont think ive seen an ibtl thread twice :p

KamilMk
10-30-2007, 11:56 PM
Ibtl

93rollaracer
10-31-2007, 12:11 AM
Just let it die...

I'm quoting myself from almost two years ago.

AWP9521
10-31-2007, 12:42 AM
Damn! I was wondering where all the dust was coming from when I entered the forum, it's coming from this old relic of a thread! Who ordered the exhumation?

silentscreams85
10-31-2007, 12:51 AM
Should we assume the possibility that every new AF member is going to be Anthony?:banghead: Is anyone keeping count of what # fake identification this is?

CassiesMan
10-31-2007, 01:23 AM
IBL Bitches...

Polygon
10-31-2007, 01:50 AM
You know all of you are pretty much right.. except for nmbr1hondatuner hes way off lol, Triptronic Automatics can handle a ton of power not to mention as Fly said most drag cars are autos (not nececarily trippys but still autos) because you can chip out and tune an automatic transmission ratios (costly but still) to shift constantly and continually at the 'oppurtune' time '''similar''' to 'perfect' shifting a stanard / manual, I own a 91 300zx twin t with a 5 sp cranking close to 500 horse and an 05 jetta gli 1.8t with about all the aftermarket performance parts Forge and Oettinger offers for them and a K04 upgrade pulling close to 400 (with near equal torque might i add =] ) MY JETTA IS A TRIPTRONIC granted the tranny has been upgraded (ty neuspeed =] ) but it has no problems getting out of the hole and burning most anything in its class such as hondas, clipses, neons, other sport sedans, ive beaten many of beamer e60s and 3 series at the track (Nazareth for you Pennsylvania dwellers like myself) almost even beat my Z when my uncle was racing me in it at the airstrip, Trip/Auto transmissions may not be as fun as shifting on your own, and get put down constantly by people who just dont understand them or think they are weaker than a manual' but they 'can' be a hell of alot more effective for racing than a manual ever could be.

Please enter your rants, complaints, and disagreements ">here<"
Automatics are for people with a lack of skill or lazy people IMO. Also, you're wrong, as I said over a YEAR ago. Rear drag cars don't use automatics. They might not use a clutch but in Pro Stock, Funny Car, and Top Fuel they use manual transmission.

Automatics are junk.

Also, why did you bring up a dead thread, for a second time. If you wish to discuss the differences between transmission start a new thread in the right section. And don't drag up dead threads.

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