ZC v. Y8

Alright, so here's the debate.
95civicman (or is it civicboy) is getting his ZC installed in his 89 CRX as I type this. I have a D16y8 in my 91 Si. We are out for some friendly competition to so "who's da biotch now!" I would like to know peoples opinions on who da biotch is gonna be. Assuming we both drive the same and such variables are out. I know the CRX is lighter and the ZC has more torque so I may be the underdog here. Let's here this one out and hopefully we will have some results soon. Deuce!

i think you'll take him, close race tho

what model crx? If it's an hf than he for sure will win...or he can't drive. If it's an Si than it should be fairly close, buy i give him the edge...due to the slight torque and hp advantage...and the lighter chassis. :cool:

zc will ownz0r

I think the y8 will win. I don't really have facts to back that up, but it'll win.

ownz0r what the fuk is that?
and what kind of tranny is he using? what kind of wheels does he have?

well, the correct spelling would be 0wnx0r, and it's called l33t sp34k. It r0x0rz m4h b0x0rz.

god damn computer nerds

I believe his car is an Si, with 99-2000Si wheels. So, it will have an Si tranny. It'll be fun. This is just for fun's sake. I understand that I may get beat, it won't be the first time.

did that....travis' zc hatch vs. my y8 hatch. were already going on the highway side by side (see pic in his sig and you can see my si in the reflection ;) ) dropped it in 3rd and went from there. i wasn't driving :( jer was. however, i won't complaine i got to see the look of confusion on his face as the Si pulled away. i will say this....if the road would have kept going he would have caught up if not possibly passed.

it was if anything, fun between friends and will for sure happen again (time and time again).....

just have to make sure his bling bling 17's aren't on......no excuses :flipa:




j/k t-diddy :lol2:

that's what I was looking for, thanks Ami, now I feel good.

Um witrh this setup he will own your ass! ZC, ZC ecu, ZC trany and some 15's... Basicaly 2000SI rims he has... So I hate to tell you, but if he is running the ZC ecu... Your still fucked! The ZC with the ZC ecu makes 137, not 130. It also makes 109 ft lbs tq with the ZC ecu. So even if he is running the 90-91 SI trany, you will still get owned. If he was running the ZC tranny I wouldnt even say anything other than "HAHAHAHAHA".... I have seen a zc with I/H/E and ZC trany/ecu light them up in first, second, and all the way thrue third and chirp fourth. Just to give you an idea ;)

Also, what mods do each of you have? I asume he at least has a header + 5-10 hp since the zc wont hook up to the Si's exaust since its a dual exaust system ;)

How did Ami join team lonely drivers????? she has a man....

I hate to be the ass here but let me break this to you...DUAL EXHAUST...HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.....you just got OWNED!!! That's the stupidest shit I have EVER heard. Secondly, if he lights them up in 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, (even 6th if he has dual exhaust right?) then he isn't going anywhere!!! If you read, I said I believe he is running the Si tranny, that would not be a ZC tranny, but Si. I didn't mention before but I am about 95% sure he is running Si ECU. AND...if the Si header won't bolt up correctly to the ZC, WHICH IT WON'T, then that is a flow RESTRICTION and that will hurt power, not improve upon it. OWNED!!!!

damn that was fun, no hard feelings. I'm here for fun guys.:flipa: :flipa: :flipa: :flipa:

I have to go with the zc. But it really depends on what you both have done. you say it doesn't matter so I am going with the zc if you both have the same mods. It not only has more tq, but it is dohc. This is just my opinion and I know I might be wrong but I am going witht he zc. I love that engine. Also our of curiousity what does each car have done to them?

Originally posted by gunnmen01
How did Ami join team lonely drivers????? she has a man....

because i got it like that :flipa:

and IGNORE Seth! he don't want to hear anything will smoke his precious ZC set-up he's going for. i don't care if your zc setup is plated in gold....it will all boil down to the driver and reaction time. oh yea and i love how you say the zc will own his ass and then your very next post was "oh yea...what mods do you have...and then you assume the zc has a header. your remarks WREAK of 1 sided opinion. LMAO.

Hey Seth.....you ever raced a y8 with a zc?

*crickets*

I THOUGHT SO :silly2:

*crickets* HAHAHAHAHA
hey Seth....."WhO's Da BiOtCh NoW!!!!!"

me thinks this is purely a drivers race

Originally posted by ihaveanSTD
I hate to be the ass here but let me break this to you...DUAL EXHAUST...HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.....you just got OWNED!!! That's the stupidest shit I have EVER heard. Secondly, if he lights them up in 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, (even 6th if he has dual exhaust right?) then he isn't going anywhere!!! If you read, I said I believe he is running the Si tranny, that would not be a ZC tranny, but Si. I didn't mention before but I am about 95% sure he is running Si ECU. AND...if the Si header won't bolt up correctly to the ZC, WHICH IT WON'T, then that is a flow RESTRICTION and that will hurt power, not improve upon it. OWNED!!!!
hehe, well put.

Originally posted by ihaveanSTD
I hate to be the ass here but let me break this to you...DUAL EXHAUST...HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.....you just got OWNED!!! That's the stupidest shit I have EVER heard. Secondly, if he lights them up in 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, (even 6th if he has dual exhaust right?) then he isn't going anywhere!!! If you read, I said I believe he is running the Si tranny, that would not be a ZC tranny, but Si. I didn't mention before but I am about 95% sure he is running Si ECU. AND...if the Si header won't bolt up correctly to the ZC, WHICH IT WON'T, then that is a flow RESTRICTION and that will hurt power, not improve upon it. OWNED!!!!

Rofl! You look like an idiot trying to talk shit to me.

First of all amy, I have raced an Y8... With my A6 and won! What up now biatch!?
Seondly if you look at a JDM SI it has a dual exaust setup Idiots..
Thirdly of all, the ZC makes more HP and TQ... Real fucking idiots.
Fourthly I have actualy worked on engines and built them for performance... Anyone in here ever built an engine that makes 900 ft lbs of tq? I have...

*Crickets*:devil:

Originally posted by seth 90DX/ZC
Rofl! You look like an idiot trying to talk shit to me.

Well for someone of your high knowledge of engines (an I assume you know your shit cause it really sounds like you do) to say that the ZC has dual exhaust outlets when it doesnt ....

--> you http://sev21.8m.com/penguin.gif <-- me

I'd just like to add that the ZC horsepower ratings are not accurate. There are many different numbers floating around. I've seen engine buliders quote the ZC @ 125hp all the way up to 135hp.

Originally posted by 91civicDXdude
I'd just like to add that the ZC horsepower ratings are not accurate.

Even on the SOHC ZC which is in my car, I hear anywhere from 105 to 118 ... no way in hell im pushin 118 with this BS DPFI though :(

Originally posted by 91civicDXdude
I'd just like to add that the ZC horsepower ratings are not accurate. There are many different numbers floating around. I've seen engine buliders quote the ZC @ 125hp all the way up to 135hp.
I do not know the exact hp ratings but would the reason why the hp ratings are difernt is because they could be using a diferent ecu? Like say you use the si ecu you will not have as much power as if you use the zc ecu.

OMG melt that gif is fukin funny....


gunnmen01

yea, it is funny as hell! Unfortunatly if you look at the underside of the JDM SI, you will see that it has two 1" pipes that go from the soposeable "4-2-1" header all the way to the two exaust tips.

Originally posted by seth 90DX/ZC
yea, it is funny as hell! Unfortunatly if you look at the underside of the JDM SI, you will see that it has two 1" pipes that go from the soposeable "4-2-1" header all the way to the two exaust tips.
So, you're sayin that it goes from its 4-2-1 header, to a cat, then goes into 2 inch pipes all the way back? :rolleyes:

No, it goes from a 4-2-2 header that people call a 4-2-1 because we dont get the down pipes with the motors. From there it goes to two mufflers. They dont use cats in japan... I think there are resonators on it, I will have to look into it. Got a ex girl frend that lives in japan ;) We are still cool so I call her every once in a while... She used to own a 92 civic with a ZC... Dumbass :rolleyes:

Figured since my jdm b16a came w/ a stock 4-2-1 header which attaches to a cat on the ef8/9 and da6/8...it would be the same on the jdm si civics and cr-xs. :confused:

The header ataches straight to a cat?... That sounds fishy! No pun intended...
I will have to call yoshiko and get the lowdown yo!

Quote from website about the 90-91 JDM EF9 Civic SiR:
"The Exhaust Manifold is a typical step-header design with the primaries merging into the secondaries and combining just before the exit diameter for much better torque production. The primaries of this manifold are quite large to handle the increased high-rpm output. The Exit Diameter is a typical 2 inches, however, it is mated to a much larger catalytic converter that is designed to be
less restrictive at higher rpm's."
which proves that they apparently use cats in the land of the rising sun ;)
Link to the EF9 SiR website (http://www.rglobal.net/users/jgray/JDM_Civic_SiR.htm)

No, they use resonators... I just got off the phone with yoshiko. She said they dont need cats because they use 98 octane fuel and make people swap motors every 40,000 miles, thus emisions are low and no nead for a cat (At least not on her civic). Her civic had a moded exaust thoe... It is a 4-2-1 :bloated: But they do have a dual exaust (As in dual muflers) and if I am not mistake thats what most people are talking about when they say "Dual Exaust"

you know what, all this B.S. doesn't matter, you still are my biotch because you were and still are OWNED!!!! :flipa: :finger: :flipa: :finger:

Originally posted by seth 90DX/ZC
First of all amy, I have raced an Y8... With my A6 and won! What up now biatch!?
Seondly if you look at a JDM SI it has a dual exaust setup Idiots..
Thirdly of all, the ZC makes more HP and TQ... Real fucking idiots.
Fourthly I have actualy worked on engines and built them for performance... Anyone in here ever built an engine that makes 900 ft lbs of tq? I have...

*Crickets*:devil:

LOL....you sure you want to go there son?

didn't i say it was about driving and reaction time? with that said..... did you possibly take the time to read that the y8 vs zc started already in motion (approx 45mph)....both dropped into 3rd at the same time and went from there? there was nothing about reaction or driving skills.....ENGINE vs ENGINE

btw: travis zc has been rebuilt for turbo and he has CAI.....my y8 has neither

them crickets you were hearing......they knew they needed to stick around for ya :right:

http://www.4thgenerationcivic.com/images/badassbuddy_com-iownyou.gif

ps....did i forget to mention my vtec wasn't even hooked up

BEFORE YOU ALL GET YOUR PANTIES IN A BUNCH......

i want to make it clear.....I have NO problem with the ZC. seth is a big boy, we chat on aim, were all slappy happy.

he's just getting the chance to eat some of the shit he's always dishing in the chatroom.....

*hey seth.....you got a little brown stuck in between your teeth*

speaking of the chatroom ... time to see if I can get aim express to work at school :devil:

someone send me the chat room link

I will, the shits taking forever to connect to the server ... I wonder if these compters got netscape, cause I know they built aim into that.

Originally posted by LadyNRedSi


LOL....you sure you want to go there son?

didn't i say it was about driving and reaction time? with that said..... did you possibly take the time to read that the y8 vs zc started already in motion (approx 45mph)....both dropped into 3rd at the same time and went from there? there was nothing about reaction or driving skills.....ENGINE vs ENGINE

btw: travis zc has been rebuilt for turbo and he has CAI.....my y8 has neither

them crickets you were hearing......they knew they needed to stick around for ya :right:

http://www.4thgenerationcivic.com/images/badassbuddy_com-iownyou.gif

Well I asume he didnt have the turbo on... Therfore a motor built with less compresion than stock will equal less hp than stock... Not to mention >AGAIN I asume< he had put in aftermarket rods... Which are heavier... So it does not surprize me one bit. Those crickets, I OWN them ;)
ps....did i forget to mention my vtec wasn't even hooked up

keep it up seth....

you don't know if you're coming or going.

interesting....all you talk about is internal mods. now suddenly you say "Not to mention >AGAIN I asume< he had put in aftermarket rods... Which are heavier... So it does not surprize me one bit"

so which is it? if you get all these gains from internals the why you talking about heavy rods slowing it down? *sounds like excuses to me*

what is your next excuse you're going to try for the y8 with NO vtec pulling on a ZC? ENGINE vs ENGINE.....how you gonna get around that?

i hope you like those crickets you own.....cuz you're eating them.... :devil:

i'm going to sleep.....

you can sit here and argue to yourself all night. but you have to face it....the ZC won't outright smoke a sohc vtec anymore than vice versa.

engine vs. engine a sohc vtec pulled on a zc. all the little numbers you like to quote don't mean shit....what happens out in real life does. it happened (zc got pulled on) and there is nothing you can say to change that :finger:

Originally posted by LadyNRedSi
keep it up seth....

you don't know if you're coming or going.

interesting....all you talk about is internal mods. now suddenly you say "Not to mention >AGAIN I asume< he had put in aftermarket rods... Which are heavier... So it does not surprize me one bit"

so which is it? if you get all these gains from internals the why you talking about heavy rods slowing it down? *sounds like excuses to me*

what is your next excuse you're going to try for the y8 with NO vtec pulling on a ZC? ENGINE vs ENGINE.....how you gonna get around that?

i hope you like those crickets you own.....cuz you're eating them.... :devil:

YUM! Extra protien! No but on the real, I just look @ the numbers... There are tons of variables when it comes to engines... Im not doubting you smoked one. But I have smoked a Y8 with my A6... So its all driving skills and hp/tq.

Originally posted by jeef
me thinks this is purely a drivers race

I dont even want to touch the issue of ZC vs what ever cause im with Seth. Melt i think that our numbers are 105, and maybe the higher number if we go MPFI.

Either way, if the drivers dont know how to race then its a matter of who has more skill. Its like stock car racing ... When everything is the same, its all on the driver. We dont have full specs on each car and can only get guesses and what someone remembers. Any knowledge of having ownzoring ANYONE in any of the two conditions doesnt really apply cause again the driver is one of the biggest variables in racing. So the only way to really guage the match up of ZC vx Y8 is to build to engines EXACTLY alike and see what kinda specs they pull on a dyno i guess. Now this is a challenge since each is kinda diffrent and you cant really put the same of anything on each. So unless someone is willing to do this test ... lets all just forget about it and be happy ...

i just got back from the garage and the car won't start and i have really weird compression. like 120,125,210,and 70 so old dudes y8 would prolly beat me. i got my motor from hmotoronline so i will have to put new rings in it. GHEY. but i'm still gonna race em and i have built domestic motors that have exceeded 900 ft /lb torque

weak!! Haha, too bad about the motor Jayce. All will be well, sometime.

heheheh yea it sucks but hopefully i'll get it in a couple of days. i need it by sat because i gots to pimp the hoes bitch. girls love primered cars :D


:edit: and one shaved door handle. :smoka:

Originally posted by 95civicman
heheheh yea it sucks but hopefully i'll get it in a couple of days. i need it by sat because i gots to pimp the hoes bitch. girls love primered cars :D

Your shit is primered agian? I thought you repainted it once already.

yea but i got it done at a crappy place and it wasnt' good paint, and now that i paint cars i can get a $4000 paintjob for like 400 bux.

oh aight thats cool then

poopy conversation, I love both motors in very different ways.

ok I understand Seth's P.O.V, but the ZC is not really the GOD of d series.... they are getting older and if they have not had a rebuild I see it would be hard for the zc, to beat a newer y8....


but again seth is right with the 4-2-1 header design he was trying so hard to accomplish...this is 100% true.. I had one on my car...


why not have best of both worlds im actually mounting a d16y8 head to my sohc zc block.....hahaha best of both worlds =)


btw, seth and y8ers esp : LadyNRedSI, I have watched similar moded cars (4th gens) runs against other 4thgens and usually the z6/y8 comes out stronger on top because of the "better flowing heads" vtec.......
so that can put a damper on the ZC.....
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SIvic...please don't take any of this seriously. the engines being referred to are very closely matched. it will come down to the driver and reaction time.....every time.

really this is just some friends harrassing eachother. :evillaugh

Originally posted by LadyNRedSi
SIvic...please don't take any of this seriously. the engines being referred to are very closely matched. it will come down to the driver and reaction time.....every time.

really this is just some friends harrassing eachother. :evillaugh


wurd everyone know i can whoop up on std's hatch....it's common since :rolleyes:

No but on the reals dog! The Dohc ZC flows WAY better then the Y8's.... Thats why they rwak for turbo's! The intake and exaust ports are way to big for the stock CR... I asked Larry to do a P&P job on my head he said "I wont port it, I will polish it and clean it up if you want... But honda gave those heads GENEROUSELY LARGE Intake and especialy exaust ports!
After he told me this I went and looked at my head, sure enough they are about the size of the B18b's :eek:

damnit dude, you need to just stay home. First of all, polishing your intake side will only hender fuel atomization by making the atomized fuel stick the the port walls and turn into droplets and that will decrease your power. Genious. Secondly, the ZC is "better" for turbos because of the rod to stroke ratio. That is also how the ZC creates better torque. Better torque=more airflow lower in the RPM range which in turn will spool a turbo quicker. Please, just shut up already!!
OWNED!!! AGAIN!!!!!

just so you know, I am just yanking your leg. I mean no harm. But what I just said in the last post is true.

Originally posted by ihaveanSTD
damnit dude, you need to just stay home. First of all, polishing your intake side will only hender fuel atomization by making the atomized fuel stick the the port walls and turn into droplets and that will decrease your power. Genious. Secondly, the ZC is "better" for turbos because of the rod to stroke ratio. That is also how the ZC creates better torque. Better torque=more airflow lower in the RPM range which in turn will spool a turbo quicker. Please, just shut up already!!
OWNED!!! AGAIN!!!!!

Thanks for telling him dude, Ive been on here 2 days and seen nothing but worthless posts from this guy, I dont know much about hondas, so I shut up...... Like Seth needs to do. I almost said screw this place because he was the first person I came across and thought this place sucks, but its just him. Hes so damn 1 sided it makes me sick!

I just think its gonna be funny when he has to pay lord knows how much to hot smog his shit, while he coulda got a b16a3 out of a del sol and got that shit all legalised and been able to smoke the zc.