A letter everyone should read

THE LETTER
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A California mother whose son is right now in Kuwait poised to knock
Saddam's block off, wrote her son asking how he would feel if she joined
other relatives of service members in an anti-war demonstration in
Hollywood last month.
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After reading her son's response, she elected not to participate.
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Dear Mom:

It's really your decision to march if you want to or not.
You are the
one who has to decide if what we are doing out here is right or not.
My
opinion is not yours.
I do, however, have things I would like for you and Grandma and everyone
else at home to know.
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I am a United States soldier.
I was sworn to defend my country against
all enemies, foreign and domestic.
People may not agree with the things
we are ordered to do.
I would like to address those people by telling
them that terrorism is not only a threat to us as Americans, but to many
other innocent people in the world.
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What type of country would we be if we didn't defend the rights and
freedoms of others, not because they're Americans, but how about just
because they're human?
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We live in a country where people feel secure with their daily lives.
They do business like usual and don't worry about the thought of
terrorism actually happening to them.
The people of 9-11 thought the
same thing.
We now know that it can happen to anyone at any time.
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Yet as Americans we're afraid of losing our soldiers to defend our
security.
I can only speak for myself when I say that my life is an easy
expense to ensure that my family and friends can live in peace.
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I strongly believe in what we are doing and wish you were here to see
for yourselves the honor and privilege that
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American soldiers aboard this ship are feeling, knowing that we are
going to be a part of something so strong and so meaningful to the
safety of our loved ones.
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Then you would know what this potential war is about. We will stand
tall in front of terrorism and defeat it.
We as soldiers are not afraid
of what may happen.
We are only afraid of Americans not being able to
understand why we are here.
I ask for your courage as Americans to be
strong for us;
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I ask for your understanding in what we believe is right.
I ask for
your support in what we are sworn to do: defend our country and the life
of all. We will succeed in our task and will end the threat of terrorism
in our back yard.
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We will also end the threat of terrorism in our neighbors'.
We have to
remind ourselves of what this country stands for: life, liberty and
justice for all. In order to maintain those rights we have to stop the
threat of terrorism.
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I am proud to be here.
I will be coming home, but not until I know that
it's going to be safe for all Americans and for everyone I love.
My
family is first.
My country is where they live.
I will defend it

Lonnie
J. Lewis
Navy corpsman
C Co. 1/4 WPN PLT
UIC 39726
FPO AP 966139726

P.S. Mom, please send this to everyone who has a hard time understanding
why we are here.
Ask the paper to put what I've said in a column so that
others will know why we are here and what we are here for.

I love you all and will be home soon.
I left my address so that if
anyone feels like writing to let me know how they feel, they can.
Love & prayers,

The kid's deluded.He's not defending America at all,he's helping George to invade Iraq.There's no connection between the two.

The kid's deluded.He's not defending America at all,he's helping George to invade Iraq.There's no connection between the two.


The "kid" is a young man that is fighting for what he believes in. Unlike Iraq our military is a "All Volenteer Military" The connection seems very evident to me.

Originally posted by 1985_BMW318i



The "kid" is a young man that is fighting for what he believes in. Unlike Iraq our military is a "All Volenteer Military" The connection seems very evident to me.

Unlike the American military,the Iraqi forces are defending their country.I'm certain that every able-bodied American would be drafted if a hostile force tried to 'liberate' the United States.If he believes he's defending the U.S............good luck to him.He's wrong.Frankly,he should be taking more notice of his mother than of the Pentagon.

As a US Soldier, you are required to follow what your superior officers say, George Bush being the top officer in our military. That young man is risking his whole life, which has only just began, to defend our freedoms. If someone poses a threat to you, then you are defending yourself. We had reason to believe that the Iraqi Military and Saddam were providing weapons to terrorist groups who are gunning for our people. A nuclear warhead or chemical/biological weapon does not have to be on a missile to detonate.

Originally posted by taranaki
The kid's deluded.He's not defending America at all,he's helping George to invade Iraq.There's no connection between the two.

Why is he deluded? Because he believes in something that you dont? The fact that he believes in something such as this, and is willing to fight does not make him deluded by any means. He is doing this because he feels it is right. You dont feel this is right Naki, and I understand that, not everyone has the same view, but you cant just sit there and call this young man deluded just because he thinks one way and you the other.

Originally posted by ILike2DriveCars

He is doing this because he feels it is right. You dont feel this is right Naki, and I understand that, not everyone has the same view, but you cant just sit there and call this young man deluded just because he thinks one way and you the other.


My bottom line is that the combined wisdom of the United Nations did not see a need for Iraq to be invaded.As a firm believer in the use of minimum force to achieve the preferred objectives of the collective will,I find George Bush's gung-ho invasion both repugnant and immoral.You may not like my opinion,but it is one that I have formulated over many years, based on experiences that include active duty and peacetime relief projects for the Royal Navy,and a first class education.


This kid however,appears to be hooked up in the'what we are doing is noble and just'bullshit that his superiors have fed us all at every opportunity.Isee nothing in that article to indicate that there is a single idea that he ever thought up himself.I have far more respect for his mother.at least she is trying to gather as much information as she can before acting on her instinct.

This is a lot like when we starte dfighting afganistan, every oen is like, were protecting our freedom, and i was the only one that was like, uve been brainwashed, our govt here in teh US uses more propagand athan any other country IMO

We will never fight for our freedom untill saddam and his troops come over here and fight us, so my opinion is the same, thsis bushs war because he hates saddam

I'd say he is deluded, this quote from his letter will prove that:

"What type of country would we be if we didn't defend the rights and
freedoms of others, not because they're Americans, but how about just
because they're human?"

first, off the USA has not accepted the bill of human rights, because we feel the need for capital punishment. Don't think that the U.S. is sticking it's nose up other country's business because they have nothing to gain, except for a feeling of doing moral right!

Originally posted by taranaki



My bottom line is that the combined wisdom of the United Nations did not see a need for Iraq to be invaded

I will have to agree with you, I dont think there was stone-solid evidence. However, they are there now, so all I can do is support them and hope for a safe return.


Originally posted by taranaki
You may not like my opinion,but it is one that I have formulated over many years, based on experiences that include active duty and peacetime relief projects for the Royal Navy,and a first class education.

I understand your opinion completely, and respect it.

Originally posted by taranaki
This kid however,appears to be hooked up in the'what we are doing is noble and just'bullshit that his superiors have fed us all at every opportunity.Isee nothing in that article to indicate that there is a single idea that he ever thought up himself.I have far more respect for his mother.at least she is trying to gather as much information as she can before acting on her instinct.

I agree and disagree at the same time. I agree with the basic notion of no real thought formulated of his own imagination, seeing as all the soldiers really have the same reasons being there on their mind. But,the fact that he is a conformist of the military doesnt mean he himself cant think this to be a noble thing he is doing for his own personal reasons. oh well, just my $0.02

He was in the military at the time the forces were called up and he was not asked whether he would volunteer to fight this war - he was told. He believes what he is doing is right because he has to believe it. It is necessary to his survival.

Otherwise he has to question why he is there at all.
Otherwise he cannot function effectively and carry out his orders efficiently.
Otherwise he might not be able to pull the trigger.
Otherwise he is a liability to his comrades.
Otherwise he would not be able to sleep at night.
Otherwise (god forbid) he might become the man that threw grenades around his own military base.

All I was trying to do is show the opinion of the troops who are over in Iraq dealing with this war 1st hand. I dont care how much news you watch, how many articles you read, or how much research you do, it will never add up to being in the middle of the war. If the troops feel that they are doing the right thing, they must be seeing something that makes them think this way. I am just sorry that some people are too close minded to listion to another persons opinion and think about it, before trying to call the person names and tell him how wrong his opinion is.

And all I am trying to do is highlight some of the pressures that are placed upon the young and impressionable people and they way they think. Remember they have been trained and are living in a highly structured and doctrined environment which defends democracy - as opposed to practising it.

Good points T4.In some parts of the world it is still seen as a noble act to sign up for the armerd forces,but the reality is,unless you are actually at war,it's just a job,and a fairly cushy one at that [I've experienced it,so don't try to tell me it isn't].Once you are signed up though,you don't have any say in what you do for you go where you are told to go,you do what you are told to do,and if ordered to do so,you fight whichever person the Pentagon tells you to fight.Now it's a fact that troops who are not motivated to fight will always lose to those who believe in their cause,so soldiers from all sides are fed a constant stream of designed information to reinforce that what they are doing is unquestionably right,just,and the only way of dealing with the situation.The average soldier is discouraged from questioning the situation,they are there to act on orders from above,and the army spin doctors do their best to make sure the troops feel good about what they are doing.

Originally posted by taranaki






This kid however,appears to be hooked up in the'what we are doing is noble and just'bullshit that his superiors have fed us all at every opportunity.Isee nothing in that article to indicate that there is a single idea that he ever thought up himself.I have far more respect for his mother.at least she is trying to gather as much information as she can before acting on her instinct.

He is not a kid, dang-it. He is more of a man than any of us will ever be.

Originally posted by Pick


He is not a kid, dang-it. He is more of a man than any of us will ever be.

Speak for yourself.I've served my time in the military,and it taught me that the ability to think for yourself is a better sign of maturity that the ability to follow orders.

Originally posted by taranaki


Speak for yourself.I've served my time in the military,and it taught me that the ability to think for yourself is a better sign of maturity that the ability to follow orders.
Yes, thinking for yourself is a definate sign of maturity. But some people, those who have never been disciplined and cause social problems need to go into the army to learn discipline.

Originally posted by taranaki


Speak for yourself.I've served my time in the military,and it taught me that the ability to think for yourself is a better sign of maturity that the ability to follow orders.

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Taranaki is right that the man might be deluded, though I think the writer is also sincere. Sadly, I agree with tara as well that war is not the solution. If you think it is, then the view from the other side (Middle Eastern) which I found in another board, should give you the chills, and see that Bush has unleashed, or might help unleash, a wider confrontation. Look at the post on this board:

http://www.englishsabla.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=11973

Very scary. I hope they will not think about jihad (holy war). I hope that it will not come to that. I hope peace will come.

Originally posted by Milliardo
...Bush has unleashed, or might help unleash, a wider confrontation:


I must agree. While I do not agree with the way war is, I will support the troops as long as they are there, but I feel that the method being used by Bush will do just as is stated above.

Yes, and the call for jihad by Muslims is frightening. If yu saw the post, it shows an anger that might boil over and get into other Muslims. If, and hopefully not, Iraq's neighbors finally had seen enough, the American troops there are trapped--for good.

Originally posted by Milliardo
Yes, and the call for jihad by Muslims is frightening. If yu saw the post, it shows an anger that might boil over and get into other Muslims. If, and hopefully not, Iraq's neighbors finally had seen enough, the American troops there are trapped--for good.

Well, I dont know about for good, but they may indeed find themselves in a situation of some angst. Im not sure if it is true, but I read somewhere that volunteers who were willing to die for Iraq were stopped at the Iran/Iraq border so as not to cross-over into the country. I am also a bit concerned as to the fact of Syria wishing to enter this war. Should that happen, the shit well definately hit the proverbial fan.

It's not only Syria. For all their differences, Iran is still an Islamic country, and Muslims will set aside their differences in the name of their religion, if they see this as an attack against their religion, or feel that American occupation is an affront to Islam. The same goes for the other Muslim countries there (Saudi Arabia, etc.)

Originally posted by Milliardo
It's not only Syria. For all their differences, Iran is still an Islamic country, and Muslims will set aside their differences in the name of their religion, if they see this as an attack against their religion, or feel that American occupation is an affront to Islam. The same goes for the other Muslim countries there (Saudi Arabia, etc.)

Hopefully the reports of improving relations on the ground are true.:rolleyes: The Iraqi people think we are invading for their land, which we are not. But the only reason they think this is because the state-run television is burning it into the minds of the people that the US and coalition forces are going to kill everyone because they are heartless monsters.

I don't agree totally that Iraqis are being brainwashed, so to speak. Some of those interviewed do not like Saddam, yet what one said reflects their sentiment: "Saddam is our problem, so let us deal with him our way." They resent American intrusion into their affairs, which played well into the hands of Saddam. Bush went with it the wrong way: he should've brought a revolution from within Iraq, not an invasion force. Now I think he's missed his chance, since instead of getting Iraqis against Saddam, they rallied behind him, as they see the war as an invasion.

my bro just left for the war 3am this morning.....i did not wish for him to go but he said he always wanted to join the military and there he is.....many people see that war isn't always the answer and i do agree that bush is going about it all wrong...as far as the un is concerned (my opnion) but there's nothing that we can say or do that can change things now..... i wish a safe return for my bro but i know the iraqi people feel the same about their borthers and fathers who went to fight in this war for either what they believe or what they were told to believe....but as much as these people believe in their cause....we too believe in ours....may say that oh, all these other countries are gonna come in there and fight and kill the americans...what happens if we do worse to them.....i love my country but i'm not willing to blow myself up for it...i don't think that 74 virgins are enough...and if there are atleast 74 show me proof...i wanna see some polaroids :D ....but anyway....everyone has their own view of what's right and wrong....but how do we know:confused: i didn't read that link that Milliardo posted but looked at it and got the jest of it.....i'm sure that there are some that share his views but and vice versa but that's anybody that feels passionatly about what they think it right.....but like some....i can only hope my bro will return safely

Originally posted by Milliardo
I don't agree totally that Iraqis are being brainwashed, so to speak. Some of those interviewed do not like Saddam, yet what one said reflects their sentiment: "Saddam is our problem, so let us deal with him our way." They resent American intrusion into their affairs, which played well into the hands of Saddam. Bush went with it the wrong way: he should've brought a revolution from within Iraq, not an invasion force. Now I think he's missed his chance, since instead of getting Iraqis against Saddam, they rallied behind him, as they see the war as an invasion.

I think Milliardo has hit the nail on the head with this one.Let's just turn it on it's head for a second and see if it works...Nixon was President of the United States.He was removed for abusing his position,but he was removed by his own people.How would the American people on this board feel if a country the size of the USSR had decided that Nixon was an evil man,and that his weapons posed a threat to their nation,and set about pouring thousands of bombs onto Washinghton in a bid to either remove Nixon or kill him?

I don't think Americans would like to have war in their land. Americans have it easy: they have not had war there for over a century, so they just go out and support whatever new war their President has got them into, only to realize much later that it's not what they went in for (think Vietnam). But yes, I think tara has a point: what if some nation sees the U.S. President as a threat (and indeed, quite a number now sees the U.S. as more of a danger than Iraq or any other "rogue" nation ever was) to them? I don't think Americans would like the idea that invasion and bombing their land would be a good thing.

Originally posted by taranaki
The kid's deluded.He's not defending America at all,he's helping George to invade Iraq.There's no connection between the two.

Originally posted by 94 Mustang GT
As a US Soldier, you are required to follow what your superior officers say, George Bush being the top officer in our military. That young man is risking his whole life, which has only just began, to defend our freedoms. If someone poses a threat to you, then you are defending yourself. We had reason to believe that the Iraqi Military and Saddam were providing weapons to terrorist groups who are gunning for our people. A nuclear warhead or chemical/biological weapon does not have to be on a missile to detonate.

Agreed! When you become a soldier, you are a hired killer, you will be told to sit in that fox hole and wait until its time to blow someone away.

Originally posted by taranaki


I think Milliardo has hit the nail on the head with this one.Let's just turn it on it's head for a second and see if it works...Nixon was President of the United States.He was removed for abusing his position,but he was removed by his own people.How would the American people on this board feel if a country the size of the USSR had decided that Nixon was an evil man,and that his weapons posed a threat to their nation,and set about pouring thousands of bombs onto Washinghton in a bid to either remove Nixon or kill him?

How did Nixon abuse his position?

Watergate Pick, Watergate.

Originally posted by TexasF355F1
Watergate Pick, Watergate.
And do the you know the actions of Watergate and the level of uselessness that it had?

Actually I wrote a 2000 word paper on it my freshman year of high school. However, its been so long that I have even read it that I can't remember much, but just his actions and being involved in it, were enough to screw his White House run. Normally Pick, we seem to get along and are on the same level. I'm not trying to offend you here if tahts what you think. I'm just saying, Nixon screwed himself and he wasn't a good Pres at all.

Originally posted by Pick


How did Nixon abuse his position?

I can't believe that you don't understand one of the most significant events in the history of your own countrry's constitution.If you don't see that what Nixon did was wrong,it goes a long way to explaining why you can't see what Bush is doing is wrong.

Originally posted by TexasF355F1
Actually I wrote a 2000 word paper on it my freshman year of high school. However, its been so long that I have even read it that I can't remember much, but just his actions and being involved in it, were enough to screw his White House run. Normally Pick, we seem to get along and are on the same level. I'm not trying to offend you here if tahts what you think. I'm just saying, Nixon screwed himself and he wasn't a good Pres at all.

I would agree that what Nixon did was stupid, as it had no bearing on anything whatsoever, but he was a good president. His immoral action overshadowed his accomplishments.

If you don't see that what Nixon did was wrong,it goes a long way to explaining why you can't see what Bush is doing is wrong

Except Bush has broken no laws in our country. He is doing what is allowed under our Constitution as well as what was allowed by congress. Nixon. Well He screwed up with watergate and a few other minor offenses but he wasn't in the Whitehouse getting blowjobs either!

Originally posted by 1985_BMW318i

Well He screwed up with watergate and a few other minor offenses but he wasn't in the Whitehouse getting blowjobs either!

w00t w00t,let's bash Clinton.:rolleyes:


Nixon was just used to illustrate my point that the American people would probably object to being 'liberated' from a bad President by a foreign power just as much as some of the Iraqis appear to.

Clinton is irrelevant.You didn't like him,you voted him out,that's your business,end of story.If some foreign nation had decided that they didn't like Clinton and tried to take him out,I very much doubt that you would have let them.

Originally posted by taranaki


I can't believe that you don't understand one of the most significant events in the history of your own countrry's constitution.If you don't see that what Nixon did was wrong,it goes a long way to explaining why you can't see what Bush is doing is wrong.

No, I totally understand it. I just wanted it explained for all to hear. In other words, I wanted your take on it.

If some foreign nation had decided that they didn't like Clinton and tried to take him out,I very much doubt that you would have let them.


That we agree on 100%. The President regardless of which party he is from is the Boss

We do have the means to overthrow our president, but do the Iraqi people? They say they can handle it themselves? Why do most of themseem to live in fear? Why hasn't Saddam been removed already?

I wouldn't mind if someone came and got rid of Tom Daschle, but I'm not going to give them anything for it. Especially if they weren't invited. I probably wouldn't let them stay either. Just get rid of him, and get out.

I guess it's a double standard, but it's also circumstantial.

Originally posted by Prelewd
We do have the means to overthrow our president, but do the Iraqi people? They say they can handle it themselves? Why do most of themseem to live in fear? Why hasn't Saddam been removed already?

Contrary to what our mediamen have seen there, Iraqis do not seem to live in fear, but actually live very normal lives. Western media seem to take a perverse pleasure in demonizing those they preceive to be "enemies". For instance, is there any disapproval for what Putin did to Chechneya? If it was the old Soviet Union who did that, there would be an outcry among Western nations. But nary an opposition seems to be heard now about it. My point being, if a nation or person is seen as an "enemy", media will demonize that unfortunate target to make him look pathetic, and justify any beligerent behavior made against it.

Originally posted by Milliardo

Contrary to what our mediamen have seen there, Iraqis do not seem to live in fear, but actually live very normal lives.

Do you really think this?

Originally posted by Prelewd
Do you really think this?

Yes, because for more than 20 years my country was also under Martial Law (I was a kid then for most of that time, but I was still aware), and our lives were actually very normal. In fact, it is not much different from today. So, yes, I can say that without fear of contradiction.

Originally posted by Prelewd
We do have the means to overthrow our president, but do the Iraqi people? They say they can handle it themselves? Why do most of themseem to live in fear? Why hasn't Saddam been removed already?



why do they seem to live in fear?Because that's what we are told.The people who run the media get very upset if their reporters dont cover their stories in the way that they are told to[case in point,Peter Arnett].You have to ask yourself,where is this information coming from,and who wants it presented that way.If the truth is that most Iraqis don't live in fear,then your second question answers itself.

Originally posted by taranaki
Clinton is irrelevant.You didn't like him,you voted him out,that's your business,end of story.

Ah - he didn't get voted out. He could only serve two terms.

As far as Arnett goes - I can't believe that someone gave that bonehead a job. Aside from that, he can still stay in Iraq and do all the reporting he wants for anyone who wants him there. His bosses didn't want him being seen as a tool for Iraq like Sean Penn was and fired him. Far as I know, all bosses would do the same to an employee who embarasses them or costs them money. You like his work? Have your news stations hire him on and do his reporting however you like. Just because he works for a media outlet doesn't mean he has to conform nor does it mean that he gets free reign to do what he wants where he wants to. If he had said the same things on an opinion or straight news program, he wouldn't have been canned. He did it on Iraqi state tv. I'm willing to be that if Saddams information minister came on CNN and did something similiar, his family would be skinned alive.













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Originally posted by Milliardo


Yes, because for more than 20 years my country was also under Martial Law (I was a kid then for most of that time, but I was still aware), and our lives were actually very normal. In fact, it is not much different from today. So, yes, I can say that without fear of contradiction.

Martial Law isn't the situation in Iraq.

Originally posted by taranaki


why do they seem to live in fear?Because that's what we are told.The people who run the media get very upset if their reporters dont cover their stories in the way that they are told to[case in point,Peter Arnett].You have to ask yourself,where is this information coming from,and who wants it presented that way.If the truth is that most Iraqis don't live in fear,then your second question answers itself.

If more countries are reporting this than the US, doesn't it hold some validity? You don't just pass something like this off as US propoganda.

Originally posted by Prelewd


If more countries are reporting this than the US, doesn't it hold some validity? You don't just pass something like this off as US propoganda.


Of course ithas some validity,but when it gets chanted like a mantra every time you hear Saddam's name mentioned,it is clear that someone wants people to associate the guy with nothing else.There are many cruel and incompetent regimes around the world,but nobody's interested in doing squat about it,or even reminding us about them.

Originally posted by taranaki



Of course ithas some validity,but when it gets chanted like a mantra every time you hear Saddam's name mentioned,it is clear that someone wants people to associate the guy with nothing else.There are many cruel and incompetent regimes around the world,but nobody's interested in doing squat about it,or even reminding us about them.

What else do you associate him with?

"oh that Saddam, he loves his kittens..." <- Not me.

Just one quick question, for all the people not from The United States of America, WHAT HAS YOUR PRESIDENT DONE LATELY, THAT HAS HAD A MAJOR IMPACT ON THE COUNTRY OR THE WORLD????

Originally posted by Prelewd
Martial Law isn't the situation in Iraq.

A military dictatorship, by virtue of reason and common sense, is in a state of Martial Law. Though my country back in the 70s was in the hands of a civilian President, the military held much sway and enforced the law to the fullest then. So yes, the situation in Iraq under Saddam is really Martial Law.

A military dictatorship, by virtue of reason and common sense, is in a state of Martial Law.

Which is exactly what Iraq has been in for many years. Yet you continue to support Saddam vrs Bush, Well guess what, Saddam lost and Bush won. This war may not be over but its pretty obvious who won already. Nobody messes with this country. Like it or not we saw evil and we're eradicating it!

Originally posted by 1985_BMW318i


Which is exactly what Iraq has been in for many years. Yet you continue to support Saddam vrs Bush, Well guess what, Saddam lost and Bush won. This war may not be over but its pretty obvious who won already. Nobody messes with this country. Like it or not we saw evil and we're eradicating it!

That's good for a laugh... Dubya saw oil, and he's going for it... he doesn't care how many people die on either side.

Iraq never did anything to the US, so they haven't in any way messed with your country. The US has not won yet, and this is going to take quite some time, with a lot of casualties. Saddam knew this, Bush knew this.

Do things really have to be broken down into "good" and "evil" before you can understand them? The concept of evil is ridiculous, and is only used to appeal to simple minds.

I think the war will cost way more than any profits we could make from oil. I think the $80 billion budget is a little short and in reallity will run into the hunreds of billions.

Originally posted by TexasF355F1
I think the war will cost way more than any profits we could make from oil. I think the $80 billion budget is a little short and in reallity will run into the hunreds of billions.

You're one for two. The US has already overrun their $80 billion budget for the war, and it is expected to fall between $200 and $600 billion...

The profits from the oil alone are expected to be around $3 trillion. This doesn't take into account the advantages the US will have in the global economy once they control the largest reserves of low sulphur oil in the world.

Originally posted by 1985_BMW318i
Yet you continue to support Saddam vrs Bush, Well guess what, Saddam lost and Bush won. This war may not be over but its pretty obvious who won already.

Funny, I have to say over and over that I do not support Saddam, yet I do not agree with how Bush is doing it, either. And I have also pointed out early on that America will win this war. That's a given. But winning a war by bullets and shells is one thing; winning the approval and support of people another, and that is where Bush is losing.

Originally posted by Cbass


That's good for a laugh... Dubya saw oil, and he's going for it... he doesn't care how many people die on either side.

Iraq never did anything to the US, so they haven't in any way messed with your country. The US has not won yet, and this is going to take quite some time, with a lot of casualties. Saddam knew this, Bush knew this.

Do things really have to be broken down into "good" and "evil" before you can understand them? The concept of evil is ridiculous, and is only used to appeal to simple minds.

And, once again, you are so wrong...... We are having to systematically dismantle every house or building we come across because the eye of the world is on us. We can't get away with killing anybody, not even soldiers:rolleyes: , so we have to fight a "war" of sanctions and restrictions.

ANd I guess the fact that Saddam disliked the U.S., harbored terrorists that dislike the U.S., had weapons to do whatever he wanted with, and didn't comply with an organization that protects weak countries, that that isn't enough. He already used weapons on his own people, what is to keep him from using them on us?

Originally posted by Milliardo


Funny, I have to say over and over that I do not support Saddam, yet I do not agree with how Bush is doing it, either. And I have also pointed out early on that America will win this war. That's a given. But winning a war by bullets and shells is one thing; winning the approval and support of people another, and that is where Bush is losing.

Wrong, Bush has all the support he needs.

Originally posted by taranaki


w00t w00t,let's bash Clinton.:rolleyes:


Nixon was just used to illustrate my point that the American people would probably object to being 'liberated' from a bad President by a foreign power just as much as some of the Iraqis appear to.

Clinton is irrelevant.You didn't like him,you voted him out,that's your business,end of story.If some foreign nation had decided that they didn't like Clinton and tried to take him out,I very much doubt that you would have let them.

Actually, i think that Nixon is way more irrelevant than Clinton, Clinton is still opening his big mouth about every topic, and his wife, there is even a bigger problem. Clinton has way more to do with anything that led up to today than Nixon. Personally, i dont know why either was mentioned in the first place though. And by the way, the soldier that wrote that is braver than any of us and i respect him with the utmost degree for his service and love of his country and its cause.

Originally posted by dolla_bill0913
Just one quick question, for all the people not from The United States of America, WHAT HAS YOUR PRESIDENT DONE LATELY, THAT HAS HAD A MAJOR IMPACT ON THE COUNTRY OR THE WORLD???? Come on you guys couldnt of overlooked this! But then again, why would you want to waste any time talking about your own country when your too busy bad mouthing Bush. I have another question, If it doesnt concern your country and doesnt have an effect on you, why should your opinion count for anything? Bush is my president not yours, so if you got problems with the way things are in the world why dont you write a letter to your president!