Attack of the killer bees!!!

So I'm walking out of Long John Silvers when I see a white/black striped Nova leaving the parking lot. As I'm firing up the X when I notice a bunch of black cars dart off out of the parking lot, and I think pretty much all of them were Honda Accords and some Civics mixed in. I head down the street towards my home and I notice them at the stop light ahead. The light to turn into my neighborhood is green so I rush as fast as I can to make the light, to no avail of course :mad: . So I'm next to the Nova and about 4 or 5 black Hondas surrounding it, the guy just looks at them and drives off at a normal pace (when light is green) while the Hondas decide to take off as fast as they can. A couple of them end up trying to cut the guy off in the Nova, I guess racing the other Hondas. I think one of the Accords was winning, all of them looked stock as could be. Kind of disappointing that the Nova didn't do anything he probably could of smoked them easily. Maybe they raced later on down the street or something.

Any you northern Va people seen this Nova around? I'm guessing he lives in Woodbridge I've seen it around here a couple times.

But the killer bee didn't attack...

Originally posted by DeViL

Any you northern Va people seen this Nova around? I'm guessing he lives in Woodbridge I've seen it around here a couple times.

Never seen it myself...

"But the killer bee didn't attack..."

I was talking about the Hondas. Ya know they make that waaaahhh sound and I guess its in higher rpms the engine starts sounding like a zzzzzzzzzzz sound like a bee. They looked like they were swarming that Nova trying to get him to play.

LOL!!!!

That would have been great. What a bunch of dorks. They must be the SBH crew "Stock Black Hondas."

Damn tools need to get a life. Would have been sweet if that Nova decide to kill em'.

I sure hope he did later on down the road I didn't follow them, was trying to get home.

We have a group here in this small Texas town that I go to school in and they call themselves the Honda cRew. They all are stock hondas or Acuras with the fastest being an Integra LS with a 100 shot of NOS and a can. I brought the Supra down here for a month one time and everyone was itching to race especially "the cRew". So the Integra and I played for 50 bucks...Easiest 50 bucks I've ever won.

Mind telling me where this Integra owner lives, I need some cash, lol:D

See the Nova guy had it right! He has a fast car, knows he can go fast, so why does he need to prove to a bunch of Joe Smoe's that he's fast. It's the chumps that drive like a batt-out-of-hell, that try to act fast, but actually have nothing more then an overly inflated ego.

Ya, come to Sherman, Texas. I swear, lots of rice, little sense. Your SS will find plenty of races here.

So the Integra and I played for 50 bucks...Easiest 50 bucks I've ever won.

lol!!!

See the Nova guy had it right! He has a fast car, knows he can go fast, so why does he need to prove to a bunch of Joe Smoe's that he's fast

I would of smoked them just for the sheer hell of them knowing their car isn't even close. I'm starting to wonder if they were friends with him or not I mean come on its a Nova you should at least know its a V8. You're not going to beat a Nova with a stock Honda Accord. Maybe some people don't have common sense.

Was the Nova stock? If it was modified, that'll be a different story. But stock, according to this (http://www.missouri.edu/~apcb20/times.html#Chevrolet), the best it runs is a mid-16. A stock Civic DX, can run that. Not starting anything, but just putting things in perspective. I am not trying to magazine race either, because I have a beat a mildly-modified Nova (mildly, as in just exhaust and some other tweaks) before when I had a 1990 Integra with a modified b16. It wasn't even close.


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Originally posted by DeViL


I would of smoked them just for the sheer hell of them knowing their car isn't even close. I'm starting to wonder if they were friends with him or not I mean come on its a Nova you should at least know its a V8. You're not going to beat a Nova with a stock Honda Accord. Maybe some people don't have common sense.

...since that was a 4-banger I beat the Nova in. BTW, all I had was i/h/e at the time.

P.S. A stock Accord 4-banger is capable of 16's too. The V6s can hit 15's. Remember, this is stock VS. stock, since we know the American iron would be more responsive to mods.

V8 doesn't necessarily mean = fast.

Yup, I know exactly where that is. I used to live in Plano. I'm just hoping that with spring here, or around the corner, that there may be a few more cars for me to race around here:(

Originally posted by carrrnuttt
Was the Nova stock? If it was modified, that'll be a different story. But stock, according to this (http://www.missouri.edu/~apcb20/times.html#Chevrolet), the best it runs is a mid-16. A stock Civic DX, can run that. Not starting anything, but just putting things in perspective. I am not trying to magazine race either, because I have a beat a mildly-modified Nova (mildly, as in just exhaust and some other tweaks) before when I had a 1990 Integra with a modified b16. It wasn't even close.


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...since that was a 4-banger I beat the Nova in. BTW, all I had was i/h/e at the time.

P.S. A stock Accord 4-banger is capable of 16's too. The V6s can hit 15's. Remember, this is stock VS. stock, since we know the American iron would be more responsive to mods.

V8 doesn't necessarily mean = fast.

You have to remember the age difference now. Technology has come a LONG way since the 70's. Small motors have the ability to put down some decent power now, plus the fact that the suspensions are nothing like they use to be. So comparing a new more high tech small CI motor to an old not as advanced Big CI motor is like apples to oranges. Another thing to think about, when was the last time you saw a stock Nova? Everyone I know has restored them with far more mods then I can list, that's pretty much what happens with the classic muscle cars these days. No flames intended, just to nullify your nullify. :D

Originally posted by HiFlow5 0


You have to remember the age difference now. Technology has come a LONG way since the 70's. Small motors have the ability to put down some decent power now, plus the fact that the suspensions are nothing like they use to be. So comparing a new more high tech small CI motor to an old not as advanced Big CI motor is like apples to oranges. Another thing to think about, when was the last time you saw a stock Nova? Everyone I know has restored them with far more mods then I can list, that's pretty much what happens with the classic muscle cars these days. No flames intended, just to nullify your nullify. :D

I think people put too much emphasis on technology. A naturally aspirated S2000 engine makes 120bhp/liter, and 75lbft/liter, at 12:1 compression. A naturally aspirated smallblock V8 with 12:1 compression can make 75lbft/liter also. Don't misunderstand, DOHC valvetrain and EFI are major advantages, but they just make engines more efficient. I have a basic thing I tell to people about building engines, you have 4 main variables which will affect your power output.

Displacement vs Efficiency vs Fuel vs Engine Speed.

The S2000 is about as efficient as you can make a naturally aspirated engine for the street, without losing all your low end torque. It has 12:1 compression, and will require very high octane fuel. It has a 9000 RPM redline, and VTEC helps it keep dual torque bands, allowing for low end, as well as a very high rpm torque band, which allows it to make peak power near it's redline. Great engine, except it's still only 2 liters. If you were to raise the octane to 110, and retune the engine with 14:1 compression, you would be able to get even more power out of it, because you have altered the variable of octane. If you tack on another 2 cylinders ala S2000R, and give it another liter of displacement, you've altered the variable for displacement.

You get the picture :) Now imagine an 8.3 liter stroker big block. It's pushrod, can't spin faster than 6000rpm, but it doesn't have to. With 9:1 compression, a streetable cam, good for 2000-5500 RPM power, and good old fashioned 2 valve per cylinder heads, it's going to make an easy 500hp, and it'll do it on cheaper gas too. The Honda has it beat on efficiency, octane, and engine speed, but the displacement is such a massive advantage that the Honda engine can't compare.

Also, there is no reason you can't combine the two. Porsche made a 5.4 liter DOHC V8 for the 928 GTS, Chevrolet made the ZR1 Corvette with the DOHC EFI LT5 V8, Ford is still making the DOHC Cobra V8.

Technology just makes the engine more efficient, and allows it to spin faster. The fact of the matter is though, those variables are not nearly as important as displacement.

lol what the hell are you comparing a 1973-88 Nova for? This was not a 73. It was more like a 69 or 70. He had a couple namebrands on the back window so it probably wasn't stock, that doesn't even matter a 70 Nova would rip apart an Accord. The thing no doubt had a 350 V8.

He had a couple namebrands on the back window so it probably wasn't stock theres a 90 auto probe around here with a clutchmasters and a crane cams sticker, hes probably not stock huh? just cant rely on stickers

Originally posted by civicHBsi91
theres a 90 auto probe around here with a clutchmasters and a crane cams sticker, hes probably not stock huh? just cant rely on stickers

I notice the sticker rice thing is very rare with people who own domestics, although I have seen it :(

Still, a smallblock Nova is a very respectable car, even if it's only making 250hp.

I notice the sticker rice thing is very rare with people who own domestics, although I have seen it never know these days man, v6 maro's goin around with z28 badges and dual pipes, altezzas on maros and mustangs....its a sad sad thing this world is coming to :(

I figured someone would bring that up and yeah that is true. But I haven't seen a 60's car yet around here with stickers on the side that didn't have the parts in them.

I notice the sticker rice thing is very rare with people who own domestics
I'd say its more of a rare thing with people who own an older domestic. You'll probably see Cavaliers and hell V6 Camaros these days with NOS stickers and shit on them.

Still, a smallblock Nova is a very respectable car, even if it's only making 250hp.
Wtf Novas would make from 300 to 375hp in 69. Again this isn't some piece of shit 74 Nova.

Like I said...

...I am not trying to start anything.

But a blanket statement that essentially states that "why should these cars be messing with a Nova, they know it has a V8", is too general. For all you know, one of these Civics had some kind of swap. Also, for you know it was this (http://www.vwdov.ca/forum/showthread.php?threadid=12840) type of Civic. In that video in the link, it ran this car (http://www.house-of-power.com/images/albert.mpg).

I have heard 11-second and 12-second all-motor passes in Hondas. Unfortunately, "killer-bees" is the only way to describe their sound. Due to the size of their engine and the exhaust-pulse coming out of a hyper-active motor, that is most of the time, the only way they can sound:(.

P.S. I know that more than likely, especially the way you described it, that Nova was surely at least moderately fast...It's just that I have beaten V8's with my current car (which has one of the weakest engines in the Honda world...108HP stock), and previous cars I have owned. Including my 1991 Beretta GTZ which had 180HP and 160TQ stock from it's Quad 4 motor.

I take everything with a grain of salt. If it was say, a 99+ Camaro SS, or even an LT1, I would say it more than likely over unless the Hondas you saw were like the example I showed above. But for older cars, you never know what condition they're in. This is coming from a guy that has beaten a couple of those cars. Not everybody knows what to do with their cars.

I repeat, I take everything with a grain of salt. I win, cool. I lose, oh well, I'll work on getting faster when time and money allows. But I will NEVER make a blanket statement like that, because I know better. Through the power of the internet, I have seen beat-up, 4-banger mini-vans run 12s and better. Hell, that race I mentioned agains that beat-up Plymouth Reliant where he was egging me on, I wasn't sure if I'd win or lose (I won), because I have seen one of those run and beat a Supra (K-car ran 10's).

Just keeping it in perspective. Don't want this place turning into Fbody.com or LS1tech.com. They have enough prejudices there for the whole Internet. Hell, even if they lose to a 4-banger, they automatically assume that whoever it was spent 50grand on their motor and wasted their money anyways. That's open-mindedness for ya:rolleyes:.

You are absolutely correct in everything you said. It could of been very possible they were sleepers. However I must testify that they were all pretty much stock, maybe an air intake or something. I could tell this when they were lined up next to them. I never heard any turbos of the sort nor did they take off incredibly fast. They took off at a relative speed I would expect an Accord or Civic would.

Originally posted by DeViL
You are absolutely correct in everything you said. It could of been very possible they were sleepers. However I must testify that they were all pretty much stock, maybe an air intake or something. I could tell this when they were lined up next to them. I never heard any turbos of the sort nor did they take off incredibly fast. They took off at a relative speed I would expect an Accord or Civic would.

Nah, I never said I didn't believe you. Hell, my car would probably beat most of those cars. Just got done smoking a 2001 Accord the other day by MANY car lengths.

I just didn't like that statement where you said it was stupid for them to mess with a V8. If they have the balls to do it, and they can back it up, cool. If not, it was their bad in the first place. On the other hand, most sleeper Hondas earn their way exactly because of that 'tude:D.

were you at the long john silvers at the dale blvd/minnieville intersection?

Originally posted by DeViL
lol what the hell are you comparing a 1973-88 Nova for? This was not a 73. It was more like a 69 or 70. He had a couple namebrands on the back window so it probably wasn't stock, that doesn't even matter a 70 Nova would rip apart an Accord. The thing no doubt had a 350 V8.

While I tend to be a bit more liking to the American cars, The Nova might not have done so well, some Nava's have 6 Cylnders, and I don't mean turbo or hi-po 6 popers either, alot of the mid 70's Nava's had 307's, a V8 yes, but I'm not sure if it would take on a stock Honda or not, depends on how tired the engine is and if it's stock, most 307's were 2 BBl carb 150 hp engines...
Even a stock 350 might not do it...

Too many varibles.. to know...
some Nova's 69-70 came out with 375 hp 396's and would fly, but who is to say a Honda with plenty of mods would not kill off a tired old 396...
I know there are Nova's in the Stock appering class (they look stock inside and out (even engine bay and engine itself), with 396's (they are like 502's) that run 11's through manifolds, full stock sounding exhaust etc etc... with junk stock redline tires...

I see people restore old musclcars, and never do anything to the tired old engine... even some of those feared old muscle cars, run only 16's because of the tired old stock engine, and in a new painted restored, new crome bumpers etc body outside..
the sheep in wolfs clothing car deal..
Maybe the guy in the Nova (if he liked to race) ) did the right thing.

scott

Yeah welcome to two months ago. heh j/k

were you at the long john silvers at the dale blvd/minnieville intersection?
Actually yes I was. You live around here?

i was doing a yahoo search on something automobile related and i ended up at that page and saw your post. Didn't notice the date lol.

yeah my father lives on savannah dr. right up the street