Guess who is in the December 2001issue of SCC!!!!!

George you the man! A bunch of us on the npclub.com board were doing our homeowrk to get a group buy on DET's happening...Now we pretty much know where we're going. Looks like Montreal will have a fleet of DET powered Nissans :) and 1 incredible G20.

It is a very good article, Ijust picked it up yesterday. Its amazing what 6 psi will do:)

Very thorough, detailed and informative. P10DET made sure that the article covered every base involved in the process. Even if you never plan on doing an engine swap, the article still has tons of useful stuff that applies to most p10 owners. Damn good job, P10DET!!!

:cool: :cool:

Awsome article and nice pictures George! One question though, I noticed that no aftermarket motor mounts were mentioned. Will the stock mounts keep the DET from running away?

Damian Stevens
94 Black Widow P10

Originally posted by p_r_i_m_e_r_a
Awsome article and nice pictures George! One question though, I noticed that no aftermarket motor mounts were mentioned. Will the stock mounts keep the DET from running away?

Thanks for the kind words.

No aftermarket mounts in the car. In fact the ones I am using have 50k miles on them. I have no interest in stiff engine mounts in this car. I am trying to keep it quite civil. My goals have been a car with the feel of a good European tuner car. That means no vibrations in the cabin due to hard engine mounts.

They work just fine for me, but then I'm not at all hard on the drivetrain. Don't mistake that for a granny driver, but I'm sensitive to the machine and don't abuse it. They would not be what you wantn for a serioius drag or track car, but I'm not interested in driving a boy-racer on the street.

BTW, I'm really close to my goal for it. The coilovers are surprisingly smooth - only the worst bumps are really hard, and that's due to bottoming. If I can raise the front about 0.125 - 0.250" and/or get some Truechoice bumpstops on it, it should be really sweet. I get a bit more squeaking in the coachwork, but I should be able to hunt that down and stop it. I need to do something about swaybars. I've got a few things in mind.

Originally posted by P10DET


Thanks for the kind words.

No aftermarket mounts in the car. In fact the ones I am using have 50k miles on them. I have no interest in stiff engine mounts in this car. I am trying to keep it quite civil. My goals have been a car with the feel of a good European tuner car. That means no vibrations in the cabin due to hard engine mounts.

They work just fine for me, but then I'm not at all hard on the drivetrain. Don't mistake that for a granny driver, but I'm sensitive to the machine and don't abuse it. They would not be what you wantn for a serioius drag or track car, but I'm not interested in driving a boy-racer on the street.

BTW, I'm really close to my goal for it. The coilovers are surprisingly smooth - only the worst bumps are really hard, and that's due to bottoming. If I can raise the front about 0.125 - 0.250" and/or get some Truechoice bumpstops on it, it should be really sweet. I get a bit more squeaking in the coachwork, but I should be able to hunt that down and stop it. I need to do something about swaybars. I've got a few things in mind.

I didn't understand what you did to the exhaust. What exactly did you change?

:coolguy: :coolguy:

Originally posted by howard_w13
I didn't understand what you did to the exhaust. What exactly did you change?

Nothing. Right now it's stock. I did have to fabricate a downpipe from the turbo to the cat.

Originally posted by P10DET


Nothing. Right now it's stock. I did have to fabricate a downpipe from the turbo to the cat.

aren't you going to get the remus rear section and get a custom mandrel bend cat-muffler (when of course you find somebody that does mandrel bends)?

wow its only running 6 psi? is there any chance of overheating? man i cant wait til i get my P11 and my DET :D but probably not for a long time :(

got my copy today :D thanks for the great write up george... now, just to get a P11. :D

Originally posted by greekman
aren't you going to get the remus rear section and get a custom mandrel bend cat-muffler (when of course you find somebody that does mandrel bends)?

I do indeed plan to buy a Remus 2.5" dual outlet universal muffler and probably a Magnaflow resonator. I will be building the exhaust myself using mandrel U bends that are readily available. I'll have to borrow, rent, or buy a welder now. I borrowed a welder to tack the pipes for the IC and had someone else make the full weld.

Wouldn't 3" be better matched to a turbo application?

Originally posted by spnx
Wouldn't 3" be better matched to a turbo application?

If your goal is maximum power, yes. That's not my goal. I want my car to be very quiet with good flow. I'm willing to give up a few hp for a car that is extremely easy to live with as a daily driver.

James, I thought you knew that. :)

I didn't think that 3" would increase noise that much more though? However, I have to admit that I'm unfamiliar with turbo applications.

Very sweet setup.. Just wondering if you could provide a $$$$ amount on the cost. I would really like know how much $$$$ was involved. So I can start saving up.......


Juan

:bandit:

$4k to $6k

I thought JWT didnt offer any OBD-II ECU's?


on page 264 of George's article there is a box at the top of the page that reads:

Engine Management Parts:

JWT ECU: $500 OBD-I, $600 OBD-II




whats the deal here?

Originally posted by b-b00gie
JWT ECU: $500 OBD-I, $600 OBD-II

whats the deal here?
They don't have 98+ ECU's available. The 96-97 ECU is still ODB-II and you can modify that ecu to work with the P11.

Oh I see said the blind man to the deaf dog :)


any ideas what types of modifications and how extensive? :rolleyes:

Originally posted by b-b00gie

any ideas what types of modifications and how extensive? :rolleyes:
Change the rear O2 sensor to a 96 200SX P/N. Cut your wiring harness a bit. They have instruction (not specifically for the 99+ G20) and you can always call for help.

Hmm.. why havent we talked about this sooner?


Turbo time? :rolleyes:

I wasn't 100% if it could be done as easily on the 99+ G20 as it was to do in the 98+ 200sx. However after talking to Ben at JWT he got the confirmation for me.

I still don't like the fact that I'll have to cut up my harness. It just introduces another point of failure. But I probably won't have a choice. Like one of the members on the main SE-R list says, "Do you want to go fast, or do you want to suck?" :D

JWT has been giving some help on this...apparently, ONLY the 99 G20 wiring harness can be plug on to the 95-97 SER ecu, meaning that as of right now, if you want to turbo and get the right program, only the 99 G20 can benefit from both.
I am waiting for JWT to fax me the entire instructions on what exactly needs to be modded to make our harness work on the ecu, but from what i heard from them, it's very simple.

Originally posted by b-b00gie
Hmm.. why havent we talked about this sooner?


Turbo time? :rolleyes:

I have. :D

BTW, I wrote a long response to your PM and my web mail ate it! :mad:

I ran out of time to rewrite it yesterday. I'll send you a new response tonight. I'm not blowing you off. :)

This is getting very interesting

Originally posted by P10DET


I have. :D

BTW, I wrote a long response to your PM and my web mail ate it! :mad:

I ran out of time to rewrite it yesterday. I'll send you a new response tonight. I'm not blowing you off. :)

OK ;)


I've had stuff like that happen to me tons of times when posting on the forum here. I'll mean to hit "shift+a" for a capitol A and I'll accidentally hit "control+a" which selects all the text... and then as soon as you hit the next key... BAM!!! the whole post is gone!! :(

if that happens, you should hit ctrl+z...

George, the DET has mechanical shim in bucket lifters?

Originally posted by nis.k.a.
George, the DET has mechanical shim in bucket lifters?

No. The Bluebird DET uses the exact same valvetrain as the DE (with the exception of sodium filled valves). It uses HVLAs and rockers. It has shims and rocker guides, but they are very different from what you are talking about.

The GTi-R engine uses mechanical lash adjsutment, but it still uses rockers, which is also quite different from what you are thinking about.

When I read the unstable hybrid list, they said the RWD DET has shim in bucket, I know this is true for the KA. I thought that the SR's shared the same valvetrain but I wanted to double check before I run off at the mouth sometime in the future. Thanks again.

Originally posted by nis.k.a.
When I read the unstable hybrid list, they said the RWD DET has shim in bucket

Nope. Same as the AWD DET.

I knew they were full of it. Did you read the newest SCC? Mike wants to put a KA crank in the SR. SR23DE.

Originally posted by nis.k.a.
I knew they were full of it. Did you read the newest SCC? Mike wants to put a KA crank in the SR. SR23DE.

I know that's what it says, but I don't quite think that's right. :D

I couldn't obtain a December issue of the SCC! But I am sure George did a great job....well done George!!

I did pick up a February issue.....neat stuffs....

is anybody can send me the article of the g20 sr20det into my email?
[email protected]
thanks! :)