Transmission eating LS
dunefreak
10-22-2001, 10:07 AM
My dad has a 2000 LS and Lincoln just put in the second new tranny. One at 500 miles and another at 28,000 miles. Anyone else having a problem or did he just get one of the Friday cars?
2001 AE
10-27-2001, 05:03 PM
Originally posted by dunefreak
My dad has a 2000 LS and Lincoln just put in the second new tranny. One at 500 miles and another at 28,000 miles. Anyone else having a problem or did he just get one of the Friday cars?
Somehow this does not surprise me. Of all the vehicles I tested at the Cadillac World Challenge, the LS was by far the worst. The quality seemed suspect and I made a note of this on my website after the event. I also mentioned how poorly it handled. Sorry your dad is having tranny problems though but he probably should have bought a Caddy :(
My dad has a 2000 LS and Lincoln just put in the second new tranny. One at 500 miles and another at 28,000 miles. Anyone else having a problem or did he just get one of the Friday cars?
Somehow this does not surprise me. Of all the vehicles I tested at the Cadillac World Challenge, the LS was by far the worst. The quality seemed suspect and I made a note of this on my website after the event. I also mentioned how poorly it handled. Sorry your dad is having tranny problems though but he probably should have bought a Caddy :(
CGGorman
08-06-2003, 09:40 AM
Bollocks! The transmission has received bad press for shifting characteristics but is NOT known for failure. There is a TSB regarding slow shifting and engagement. Something is very wrong if you have been through two transmissions. I know several people in early LS's that are working on or OVER 100K miles with NO driveline failures. What is failure? Is the vehicle towing a boat or something? Is the driver slamming it into park while moving or otherwise abusing the tranny?
KeithG1
10-04-2004, 02:12 PM
I Own a Jaguar S-Type - same drivetrain as the Lincoln LS - I have 60K miles and they are about to put in the 4th replacement transmission. I would definitely AGREE that this drivetrain is substandard. Jaguar has no more compassion for my problems than Lincoln has for yours - I think they both stink for there unwillingness to take responsibility for such a poor product.
el es
10-04-2004, 06:13 PM
Bollocks! The transmission has received bad press for shifting characteristics but is NOT known for failure. There is a TSB regarding slow shifting and engagement. Something is very wrong if you have been through two transmissions. I know several people in early LS's that are working on or OVER 100K miles with NO driveline failures. What is failure? Is the vehicle towing a boat or something? Is the driver slamming it into park while moving or otherwise abusing the tranny?
I beg to differ. I have had 3 transmission rebuilds go read edmunds.com and lookup gunnersmate. To all the haters that said mine was isolated right back at. That is all I hear from the party line carriers but it is quite a different storyu even when I go to the dealer and speak to fellow owners.
Brother your dad is not alone! I know from personal and professional assocications that the tranny is a stinking pile of S.
Further how can you accuse the man of abuse? That is wrong!
I beg to differ. I have had 3 transmission rebuilds go read edmunds.com and lookup gunnersmate. To all the haters that said mine was isolated right back at. That is all I hear from the party line carriers but it is quite a different storyu even when I go to the dealer and speak to fellow owners.
Brother your dad is not alone! I know from personal and professional assocications that the tranny is a stinking pile of S.
Further how can you accuse the man of abuse? That is wrong!
CGGorman
10-05-2004, 08:57 AM
There were no accusations there, just questions...which were never answered.
What is the failure?
Is the vehicle towing?
Is the tranny being abused?
These questions need answered if we want to attempt to help. For a transmission to fail in 500 miles is VERY rare and was either the result of abuse or gross error during assembly. "Towing the party line" or not, I stand by my post.
I'm on my second transmission, BTW. The first one worked fine until I dropped it off to have the windows tinted. When I picked it up, it barely made it out of the parking lot. There were smashed bearings in the pan when they opened it up.
What is the failure?
Is the vehicle towing?
Is the tranny being abused?
These questions need answered if we want to attempt to help. For a transmission to fail in 500 miles is VERY rare and was either the result of abuse or gross error during assembly. "Towing the party line" or not, I stand by my post.
I'm on my second transmission, BTW. The first one worked fine until I dropped it off to have the windows tinted. When I picked it up, it barely made it out of the parking lot. There were smashed bearings in the pan when they opened it up.
el es
10-05-2004, 09:51 AM
Well it sounds like the same rhetoric I received on edmunds at the mere mention of the transmission work that was being conducted on my car; except to your credit I was never directly asked if I were abusing my car mm pardon... If the driver was abusing the transmission.
I stand behind my post. You submitted a categorical defense of the transmission and then close with what did you do wrong.
I certainly belive questions 1 and 2 have tons of merit and want to hear the answers. 500 mile failure I agree raises some concerns; Question number 3 is where you and I diverge and it is probably based on personal experiences.
I apologize for drawing down on you without really clarifying what or why.
I stand behind my post. You submitted a categorical defense of the transmission and then close with what did you do wrong.
I certainly belive questions 1 and 2 have tons of merit and want to hear the answers. 500 mile failure I agree raises some concerns; Question number 3 is where you and I diverge and it is probably based on personal experiences.
I apologize for drawing down on you without really clarifying what or why.
CGGorman
10-05-2004, 12:44 PM
Noah, No need to appologize.
I still haven't heard of any widespread transmission failures other than the '03 solenoid valves, which don't require a whole rebuilt transmission.
As for the tone of the post and the categorical defence of the transmission, you also have to consider the "neighborhood" at the time that post was written. Back then (over a year ago), this was dumping ground for dissatisfied and uneducated owners who were spreading ill-will and scaring off otherwise happy current and prospective owners. Several of the "regulars" then didn't even OWN an LS but were still dumping. I was basically the only voice of sanity at the time. Since then, I have been joined (VERY thankfully, BTW) by yourself, Lou, and Kevin. The mood here is really much improved. Instead of being a lone soldier in enemy territory I feel more like a guest in parts store. That's a good thing, BTW.
I still haven't heard of any widespread transmission failures other than the '03 solenoid valves, which don't require a whole rebuilt transmission.
As for the tone of the post and the categorical defence of the transmission, you also have to consider the "neighborhood" at the time that post was written. Back then (over a year ago), this was dumping ground for dissatisfied and uneducated owners who were spreading ill-will and scaring off otherwise happy current and prospective owners. Several of the "regulars" then didn't even OWN an LS but were still dumping. I was basically the only voice of sanity at the time. Since then, I have been joined (VERY thankfully, BTW) by yourself, Lou, and Kevin. The mood here is really much improved. Instead of being a lone soldier in enemy territory I feel more like a guest in parts store. That's a good thing, BTW.
el es
10-05-2004, 01:39 PM
[QUOTE=CGGorman]Noah, No need to appologize.[/QUOTE=CGGorman]
Well I felt it was warranted becasue I know you make valuable contributions and I know you aren't one of the kool aid drinkers I was making reference to. So I stand by the aforementioned apology. :)
I still haven't heard of any widespread transmission failures other than the '03 solenoid valves, which don't require a whole rebuilt transmission.
---- Oddly enough this has been my primary problem, to state my tranny has been rebuilt may be a bit broad becasue I know rebuilding requires much more than dropping the bootom pan and removing and replacing a part. I have through 3 solinoid pack replacements and 1 valve body replacement.
The recent Solenoid Pack replacemetn is when the Valve body was replaced. This time the work was done by a different dealer than the first 2 and they stated that none of their repairs have come back
As for the tone of the post and the categorical defence of the transmission, you also have to consider the "neighborhood" at the time that post was written. Back then (over a year ago), this was dumping ground for dissatisfied and uneducated owners who were spreading ill-will and scaring off otherwise happy current and prospective owners.
---- I have shared my my opinions on both sides and to boil it down to one statement. Despite the problems with my car I am happy with my purchase. I would buy another just not a 00 V6 Auto . :eek7:
Further, I would not recommend anyone buy the aforementioned automobile. But the 00 V6 Manual I would. But if I were to plainly state I would not buy my car again that would leave the impression to not buy any of them.
Several of the "regulars" then didn't even OWN an LS but were still dumping. I was basically the only voice of sanity at the time. Since then, I have been joined (VERY thankfully, BTW) by yourself, Lou, and Kevin. The mood here is really much improved. Instead of being a lone soldier in enemy territory I feel more like a guest in parts store. That's a good thing, BTW.
---Thanks for considering me one of the soldiers! I think the user community is capable of solving multitudes of problems and as a techie in the IT business I have a built in desire to figure out why things do and dont work. My deepest complaint is that IMHO Lincoln has left the owners stranded on a few issues. I try to only dump with the goal in mind to bring a resolution to a problem.
Again, please accept my apology as I know you are commited to furthering ownership and improving ownership experiences. the last thing I want to do is burn that bridge for anyone esp ME!
Fair winds and following seas.
Well I felt it was warranted becasue I know you make valuable contributions and I know you aren't one of the kool aid drinkers I was making reference to. So I stand by the aforementioned apology. :)
I still haven't heard of any widespread transmission failures other than the '03 solenoid valves, which don't require a whole rebuilt transmission.
---- Oddly enough this has been my primary problem, to state my tranny has been rebuilt may be a bit broad becasue I know rebuilding requires much more than dropping the bootom pan and removing and replacing a part. I have through 3 solinoid pack replacements and 1 valve body replacement.
The recent Solenoid Pack replacemetn is when the Valve body was replaced. This time the work was done by a different dealer than the first 2 and they stated that none of their repairs have come back
As for the tone of the post and the categorical defence of the transmission, you also have to consider the "neighborhood" at the time that post was written. Back then (over a year ago), this was dumping ground for dissatisfied and uneducated owners who were spreading ill-will and scaring off otherwise happy current and prospective owners.
---- I have shared my my opinions on both sides and to boil it down to one statement. Despite the problems with my car I am happy with my purchase. I would buy another just not a 00 V6 Auto . :eek7:
Further, I would not recommend anyone buy the aforementioned automobile. But the 00 V6 Manual I would. But if I were to plainly state I would not buy my car again that would leave the impression to not buy any of them.
Several of the "regulars" then didn't even OWN an LS but were still dumping. I was basically the only voice of sanity at the time. Since then, I have been joined (VERY thankfully, BTW) by yourself, Lou, and Kevin. The mood here is really much improved. Instead of being a lone soldier in enemy territory I feel more like a guest in parts store. That's a good thing, BTW.
---Thanks for considering me one of the soldiers! I think the user community is capable of solving multitudes of problems and as a techie in the IT business I have a built in desire to figure out why things do and dont work. My deepest complaint is that IMHO Lincoln has left the owners stranded on a few issues. I try to only dump with the goal in mind to bring a resolution to a problem.
Again, please accept my apology as I know you are commited to furthering ownership and improving ownership experiences. the last thing I want to do is burn that bridge for anyone esp ME!
Fair winds and following seas.
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