Fighting the new Revell plastic
Hawk312
01-25-2009, 09:23 PM
As many of you know, since early 2005, some Revell kits have come with a different compound plastic which reacts horribly to lacquer spray paints, and even "safe" sprays like Testors Enamels (!!!!). Basically, the only sprays that I have found not to react to this plastic are plastikote primers and Zinnser BIN primer. I have heard that Tamiya primer works as well, but I will be needing my arm and leg. :iceslolan This means that every part that will be eventually sprayed with color must first be well covered with one of the above.
What has everyone here used with success on this newer Revell plastic. I have the 1/12 Camaro kit I am working on/fighting with right now, and thought this might be useful for everyone who is running into this issue.
What has everyone here used with success on this newer Revell plastic. I have the 1/12 Camaro kit I am working on/fighting with right now, and thought this might be useful for everyone who is running into this issue.
Golden_Cross
01-25-2009, 09:37 PM
Hey Hawk
Have you tried Dupli-Color products..Paints,Primers,sealers etc. I have used them just last week on some of the new stuff and have had no troubles..They are priced right and saved my butt more than once..And have found they stand tough to whatever I spray on them as well..Hope this helps..
Take Care!!
Have you tried Dupli-Color products..Paints,Primers,sealers etc. I have used them just last week on some of the new stuff and have had no troubles..They are priced right and saved my butt more than once..And have found they stand tough to whatever I spray on them as well..Hope this helps..
Take Care!!
Hawk312
01-25-2009, 09:46 PM
Hey Hawk
Have you tried Dupli-Color products..Paints,Primers,sealers etc. I have used them just last week on some of the new stuff and have had no troubles..They are priced right and saved my butt more than once..And have found they stand tough to whatever I spray on them as well..Hope this helps..
Take Care!!
Oh yeah! I am a big fan of Duplicolor!! Definitely a nice value like you say. Unfortunately, it turns these kits (from 2005-2006) into a blob of molten plastic. :frown: :frown: I am working on the 1/12 Camaro kit which came out right around the time Revell started having this issue with the plastic.
Have you tried Dupli-Color products..Paints,Primers,sealers etc. I have used them just last week on some of the new stuff and have had no troubles..They are priced right and saved my butt more than once..And have found they stand tough to whatever I spray on them as well..Hope this helps..
Take Care!!
Oh yeah! I am a big fan of Duplicolor!! Definitely a nice value like you say. Unfortunately, it turns these kits (from 2005-2006) into a blob of molten plastic. :frown: :frown: I am working on the 1/12 Camaro kit which came out right around the time Revell started having this issue with the plastic.
Golden_Cross
01-25-2009, 10:14 PM
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Is this just an issue on the 1/12 kits?..I was talking about 1/24 that came out in 2005..Sorry Man I may need to keep my mouth shut!!!!
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Is this just an issue on the 1/12 kits?..I was talking about 1/24 that came out in 2005..Sorry Man I may need to keep my mouth shut!!!!
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Lownslow
01-25-2009, 10:33 PM
any kit after 05, revell supposedly changed plastic compounds again this year.
my 550 didnt bring up issues it was sprayed with tamiya paints
my 550 didnt bring up issues it was sprayed with tamiya paints
Twowheelsrule
01-26-2009, 06:32 PM
Since the change I have built Revell: 41 Willys, 06 Mustang, and the new 69 Nova. I used Tamiya primer and paints on all of them with great success. I tried using Kustom Kolor Limetime green pearl over Tamiya primer on a Fujimi kit and it crazed the plastic badly.
I would recommend staying away from true Lacquer style paints on Revell but, I do know people who have had no trouble using them.
Mark
I would recommend staying away from true Lacquer style paints on Revell but, I do know people who have had no trouble using them.
Mark
Hawk312
01-26-2009, 06:46 PM
Since the change I have built Revell: 41 Willys, 06 Mustang, and the new 69 Nova. I used Tamiya primer and paints on all of them with great success. I tried using Kustom Kolor Limetime green pearl over Tamiya primer on a Fujimi kit and it crazed the plastic badly.
Mark
You know, it`s strange. I have painted two of the Nova bodies, and they appear to take anything I throw at them. I have two `68 (I think) Corvette`s with the white plastic, and one of them crazed really bad from Testors (!!!), and the other one was fine under Tamiya laquer! :eek7: :eek7:
I just wish they would`ve stayed with the old stuff. I didn`t reallize I good I had it. :frown:
Mark
You know, it`s strange. I have painted two of the Nova bodies, and they appear to take anything I throw at them. I have two `68 (I think) Corvette`s with the white plastic, and one of them crazed really bad from Testors (!!!), and the other one was fine under Tamiya laquer! :eek7: :eek7:
I just wish they would`ve stayed with the old stuff. I didn`t reallize I good I had it. :frown:
Hawk312
01-26-2009, 09:14 PM
Just thought I would give everyone an update, for those who may struggle with this issue. I used the Zinsser BIN primer on the body, about 3 coats. I allowed this to fully cure, and to my amazement, the BIN primer actually dried very nicely, thin and even. It also sanded nicely. One thing you MUST do if you plan to go this route is to replace the nozzle on the BIN can with another nozzle from another spray can. I used one from my plastikote primer can. If you don`t do this, it comes out VERY, VERY fast and runs are very hard to avoid.
Anyway, I am now applying duplicolor to the body, and it is laying down beautifully with no crazing. Hope this helps someone else.
Anyway, I am now applying duplicolor to the body, and it is laying down beautifully with no crazing. Hope this helps someone else.
ZoomZoomMX-5
01-26-2009, 10:29 PM
Revell must have upgraded plastic recently; I had zero problems shooting my Revell '69 Nova with automotive primer (Plastikote) and MCW automotive paint.
Other good sealers are Future and Gunze B 501 clear. Shoot them between coats of primer and there shouldn't be problems of crazing or adhesion.
Other good sealers are Future and Gunze B 501 clear. Shoot them between coats of primer and there shouldn't be problems of crazing or adhesion.
Layla's Keeper
01-27-2009, 07:33 AM
My trusty Floquil gray primer isn't giving me any issues either, and for the purposes of slot car racing I've sprayed some bodies straight color from the can in lacquer from Testors, Tamiya, and even Pactra with no issue. Worst issue I've had was a 1967 Charger body that blew off of its stand mid-paintjob.
MidMazar
01-27-2009, 08:30 AM
I usually use tamiya paints on most of my bodies, i had no problems with tamiya grey and white primer (laquer) from the can. I sprayed many bodies with no problems.
We should make a thread stating which kits we have these problems with.
We should make a thread stating which kits we have these problems with.
Twowheelsrule
01-27-2009, 05:59 PM
I usually use tamiya paints on most of my bodies, i had no problems with tamiya grey and white primer (laquer) from the can. I sprayed many bodies with no problems.
We should make a thread stating which kits we have these problems with.
Tamiya paints are called "laquer" but, there is something different about them when compare to almost any other laquer. Tamiya seems to be more gentle on plastic IMHO and smells different.
+1 on the problem plastic list idea
Mark
We should make a thread stating which kits we have these problems with.
Tamiya paints are called "laquer" but, there is something different about them when compare to almost any other laquer. Tamiya seems to be more gentle on plastic IMHO and smells different.
+1 on the problem plastic list idea
Mark
Didymus
01-27-2009, 09:52 PM
Tamiya paints are called "laquer" but, there is something different about them when compare to almost any other laquer. Tamiya seems to be more gentle on plastic IMHO and smells different.
Mark
You're right. Tamiya spray-can paints are not true lacquers; they are synthetic lacquers. They seem pretty harmless; unlike traditional cellulose lacquers, they can even be sprayed over MM enamels.
Tamiya primers are even less potent. Unlike the color bases, they can't even be dissolved or removed by alcohol. At least not easily.
Tamiya stuff does cost more, but it's generally the best way to go for models.
Ddms
Mark
You're right. Tamiya spray-can paints are not true lacquers; they are synthetic lacquers. They seem pretty harmless; unlike traditional cellulose lacquers, they can even be sprayed over MM enamels.
Tamiya primers are even less potent. Unlike the color bases, they can't even be dissolved or removed by alcohol. At least not easily.
Tamiya stuff does cost more, but it's generally the best way to go for models.
Ddms
Hawk312
01-27-2009, 11:43 PM
Tamiya paints are called "laquer" but, there is something different about them when compare to almost any other laquer. Tamiya seems to be more gentle on plastic IMHO and smells different.
+1 on the problem plastic list idea
Mark
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