Reference and kit help - Building a Porsche 935 1978 Monte Carlo Winner??

Hey everybody,

I have this thing bugging me awhile now. I really want to make this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/knobi23232/Porsche%20935%20Monte/RC13.jpg

It´s called the Porsche 935 1978 Monte Carlo. Museum Collection has the decals in 1/12 and I´m tempted to do a 1/12th build. The decals look like this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/knobi23232/Porsche%20935%20Monte/SDO43b.jpg
(again: S27-Decals in 1/24 - but you get the idea)

Now, several problems arise:
1. What kit to use as a base? I kind of like the 1/12 Tamiya Porsche 934 RSR.
2. Does anybody of you have any reference pictures? F.ex. there are several versions on the net - some with BBS-rims some with the Fuchs-Felgen. I don´t know which one is correct. Are there any 1/12 Fuchs-Felgen for modeling available?
3. What about the front Rallye-lights. Will I need to make them from scratch or does anybody have any sources for 1/12th accessories for modelling?

So please - any reference will do. I would like to see my options and what is ahead of me before starting the project. Any ideas and thoughts on this are welcome!

Cheers and thanks in advance


Robert

I'm afraid I can't help you with useful info, Robert.

I just wanted to say that that would be one mother of a cool project!! DROOL!!!!

The Tamiya 1/12 kit should probably be a good base, I would think - the RSR version looks a little more 'busy' than what you're going after, particularly on the front and rear bumpers. Tamiya includes a lot of 'rubberized' details that you could leave off (and fill in a few corresponding gaps). I think the major difference would be in the fender flares - your example pic has relatively mild flares, where the 1/12 kit has flares that stand out a bit more sharply.

Anyway, if you haven't seen them already, there are scans of the manual for the re-release of the 934 here:
http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10077925

1/12 Fuchs.... Scroll about 2/3rds of the way down the page.

http://monkeyclawmodels.com/index.html

You sure that is called a 935 Porsche? Never heard about a 935 Porsche winning rallies, as far as I know all 935 were group 5 specification race cars.

The one in the picture looks close to a 930 turbo to me.

Good luck with the project.

You sure that is called a 935 Porsche? Never heard about a 935 Porsche winning rallies, as far as I know all 935 were group 5 specification race cars.

The one in the picture looks close to a 930 turbo to me.

Good luck with the project.

See - that is one thing that puzzles me. The Museum Collection Decal Sheet refers to the "935" - but right you are - alle we see is a 911 Carrera which is the name this thing is called by all the other reference.

Since this project will be quite moneyintense I like to gather as much information as possible. I don´t want to end up facing major problems achieving this build having spent almost € 150.

So reference and hints for the front rallye lights in 1/12 are still very welcome.

Thanks you all!


Robert

WOW..a great but complicated project. But that is with most of the Porsche cars...so many so different but in the end they all look the same.

I'm 99 sure that the decalsheet is for a 3.0 SC, that was what Almeras run in '78 under Gitanes sponsoring...BUT I also found pictures of cars that look like 934, at least when it come to the wide of the fenders.

There are a lot of pictures like the one you attached

About the wheels I think the had different setups in every stage :-) Fuchs, Minilites, both mixed and a wheel I don't know...

I think the 934 would be your best choice, at least if you don't show the engine. The Gitanes cars didn't have turbos.

The Otaki Porsche Turbo does have 1/12 Fuchs rims...but the newer, not he chrome ones.

looking forward to any progress

daniel
-germany-

P.S. I have a great rally book...maybve I will find more info there...stay tuned.

How about that as a base?

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=150321516540&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:PIC&ih=005

Uli

How about that as a base?

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=150321516540&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:PIC&ih=005

Uli

Do you have any ideas about the quality of the kit. Using the Tamiya should eliminate fitment problems. On the other hand, does this kit come with the Rallye head lights.

I would like to know which kit Museum Collection had in mind, when making the Decal sheet to use as a base for it.

Any thoughts? And I can´t seem to find a homepage from that company - or maybe I need to göögle better?


Robert

I think Museum Collection didn't give a damn about whihs kit to use :-)
The Otaki kit is very nice but the Rally Version is close to impossible to get.
So get yourself the Tamiya 934 and off you go...only problem will be the Fuchs wheels. The headlight shouldn't pose a big problem...at least compared to the wheels ;-)

by the way..did you already have the decalsheet...I've never seen one for sale anywhere..for a very long time

daniel
-germany-

cool, the decals are available at HLJ, just got me a pair :-) man I'm really hocked with this project.

you will like this link

http://www.almeras.com

these are the guys who entered the original car...lot's of pics there of the gitanes car.

daniel
-germany-

This particular car is a mix of a 935, 934, and 930. There was an article in MRRN covering this. If you don't mind waiting a few days, I can scan it in.
Nic

This particular car is a mix of a 935, 934, and 930. There was an article in MRRN covering this. If you don't mind waiting a few days, I can scan it in.
Nic

I would be interested about the article too, cause it sure resembles a 930 and has some fairings that make it look a bit like a 934, but otherwise I doubt it has anything in common with a 934 or 935 given it's purpose.

I would be interested about the article too, cause it sure resembles a 930 and has some fairings that make it look a bit like a 934, but otherwise I doubt it has anything in common with a 934 or 935 given it's purpose.

yes, except for the Bodywork of the 934, the car is a 911 3.0 SC ...so a 934 is the best place to start...but what's under the trunk is a whole different story.

daniel
-germany-

yes, except for the Bodywork of the 934, the car is a 911 3.0 SC ...so a 934 is the best place to start...but what's under the trunk is a whole different story.

daniel
-germany-

Yep for the bodywork a 934 will do the job and is easily available for 100 euros.
The rally lights are easy to scratchbuild, but the wheels will be more difficult to get but are doable using different methods.

Well - as Klutz kind of stated in another thread - the German I am, I went ahead and ordered the wheel set from monkeyclawmodels.com and the decal sheet from hlj.com.
When both arrive I will have a further look into how much work the wheel conversion will use up.

Thank you everybody on putting some thoughts into my conversion project. It´s truely appreciated. I´ll go ahead and show you what I have, when the decals and the wheel set arrives.

I wonder about the quality of the decal sheet though - somewehere I read (on AF as well) - that they are Hi-Tech-Decals which are different to apply than the regular stuff I worked with in the past (Studio27, SMS or Cartograf). Did anybody have any experience with museum collection decals in the past??

Cheers


Robert

Hi Robert, the actual wheels used are from Gotti, as this is one of the original sponsors of the team Almeras, you can clearly see the Gotti stickers in the front spoiler.

Do not pay any atention to any of model cars that use BBS wheels as they are innacurate, maybe because of its resemblance with the Gotti ones. I do believe however that the Fuchs wheels were used at some stages, no harm done to the sponsors as these are the original wheels porsches came equipped with, BBS however were out of the question as they were market rivals of Gotti.

As for the car itself, I believe it to be a 911 3.0L RSR with some magic done by the Almera brothers, any 934 base will do fine to scratchbuild this RSR as the front spoiler and rear wing are very similar, However, if you use Tamiyas 934 RSR do not forget that the almeras car was not a turbo engine but an atmospheric one.

Also the wing extensions on a 934 will be a little exagerated, nothing a little Filing wont solve.

Well done. Thanks for your input!

I´m going to get the 934 RSR as soon as the wheels from monkeyclawmodels.com and the decal sheet from hlj.com arrive.

Then I will need to see about the amount of detailing to be done on the model. Since I don´t have any engine pictures, I´m kind of tempted to keep the engine bay shut (yet again). Because nothing is worse than putting all this work into creating the correct outer impression of the Rallye car with the wrong - obviously wrong - engine.

I also need to see about the colors for paint. Obviously there is some gold and light blue (French Blue TS-10???) involved. Any thoughts about that matter? Keep in mind that I´m still just using Tamiya or different brand spray cans.

Cheers


Robert

This is not a 935 and neither a RSR, this is a 3l. Carrera RS 911 with front bumper from the 934 and rear wing from the 930 Turbo (Almeras Bros were building Porsche as some of us build models :iceslolan )
It had a 300 HP engine for tarmac rallies and 78 MC.
semi-trailing arm, torsion bar and telescopic dampers at the rear, lower wishbone and McPherson struts with torsion bar and telescopic dampers at the front.
The blue color might be a bit darker than the french blue cos' it's the Gitanes blue.

I will try to get more informations from Almeras Bros book and see on a french forum if I can have more informations (a membre lives very close to Almeras Bros garage and know them personaly). :naughty:
Wouldn't swear I will get some but I'll try.

News from the decal front.

First time that I´m a little mad with hlj.com. When I ordered the decal sheet it was set on "in stock". I checked my account today because I was wondering why it took so long for them to ask me for payment via Paypal. Now the status is set on "backordered". So it may take awhile before going to work finally.

Same with monkeyclawmodels.com. The Paypal-payment was confirmed by paypal. No confirment of the order or the payment by monkeyclawmodels.com. Does anybody have any experience with them.


Cheers


Robert


P.S.: I´m not worried - just sharing the path of this project. I don´t like to ask about a project and then never tell anybody why it took so long or why it never has been started in the first place.

maybe I took the last two sets :-) ...sorry for that

daniel
-germany-

maybe I took the last two sets :-) ...sorry for that

daniel
-germany-

Do I remember right that you live in or near Lübeck, SH? We could meet up and I´ll make you give me one of the sets. I could pay???

Robert

no, I live close to Cologne..but sorry I nee the sets. I allways keep two sets for my builds when possible. I had to much trouble with messed up decals and not finding a spare set...

daniel
-germany-

No problem at all. It was worth an attempt though. I guess that hlj.com will get some decal sets rather fast again.

This project will be on hold - not forgotten. Your input was well appreciated. The decals are on backorder and I haven´t heard anything from monkeyclawmodels.com. I might lost that patch of money...


Robert

I just wanted to show eventually the 1/12 Fuchs transkit set, I ordered from monkeyclaw.

To me it is a real set back. The inlays for the wheels you get aren´t crisp neither do they all have the same shape.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/knobi23232/Porsche%20935%20Monte/CIMG4463.jpg

The picture shows the front as well as the back. All in all a lot of work is needed to make the 1/12 kit wheels into decent Fuchs wheels. At least you get a set of 5 wheelinlays.


Robert

TbH they look like crap to me. my own first attempts at resin casting looked better than that. i'd be asking for my money back.

Hi Robert! I'm facing the issue too but in 1/24: I didn't liked to start from the Esci/Heller 934 so I done a swap of 934 flares and front spoiler on a fuji chassis (930 narrowed)

BTW the sense of my comment is another: from what I'm aware Almeras SCs (I'm doing the '78 Esso and the Gauloises too) mounted Gotti 5 spokes rims on tarmac and left the forged Fuchs for the gravel with narrowed tyres.

BTW the idea to start from a 1/12 934 is awesome (despite hard inside: Almeras cars are almost stock SC inside..) and I'll follow ;)

BTW the idea to start from a 1/12 934 is awesome (despite hard inside: Almeras cars are almost stock SC inside..) and I'll follow ;)

Thanks for your encouragement. I need to see where this project takes me. As I know myself, I´ll be sidetracked with other stuff a lot. I just to mean to get you guys psyched and then do not deliver.

I definately build this thing. As usual - the question is: when.


Robert

is this the one you are looking for?

http://images.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http://vallejoracing.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/porsche-gitanes-montecarlo.jpg&imgrefurl=http://vallejoracing.wordpress.com/2009/05/09/porsche-recuperando-la-historia/&usg=__iPLbqQ1t-Qs72WXwaxJUYIWahzg=&h=270&w=540&sz=51&hl=de&start=14&um=1&tbnid=LvNRERHvF_V4-M:&tbnh=66&tbnw=132&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dporsche%2Bgitanes%2B1978%26gbv%3D2%26 hl%3Dde%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:de:official%26sa%3DG%26um%3D 1

is this the one you are looking for?

http://images.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http://vallejoracing.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/porsche-gitanes-montecarlo.jpg&imgrefurl=http://vallejoracing.wordpress.com/2009/05/09/porsche-recuperando-la-historia/&usg=__iPLbqQ1t-Qs72WXwaxJUYIWahzg=&h=270&w=540&sz=51&hl=de&start=14&um=1&tbnid=LvNRERHvF_V4-M:&tbnh=66&tbnw=132&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dporsche%2Bgitanes%2B1978%26gbv%3D2%26 hl%3Dde%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:de:official%26sa%3DG%26um%3D 1

Yes, at first glance without understanding the test, I´d say that is the one I´m looking for, except for the wheels.

Thank you. Do you have any further information on the Almeras Porsche?


Robert

Yes, at first glance without understanding the test, I´d say that is the one I´m looking for, except for the wheels.

Thank you. Do you have any further information on the Almeras Porsche?


Robert

I have about 30 Porsche books,checked all of them but very little about Rallye Cars.
Sorry..

Thanks for your effort. It is well appreciated.


Robert