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Wanted to start a thread on what everyones opinion is on the war?

Im just scurred.

i dont think there should be a war in the first place.

My brother is in Saudi Arabia right now and emailed us for the last time today. He said he can't talk to us for a while and he loves us and he will be ok. I am for the war. Saddahm and his sons are the definition of evil. Right now, saddahm has less than 15 minutes to leave and our troops are sitting on the border. GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!

i think we should get monkey bush i mean george bush out of office, i dont like him at all

Originally posted by civicHBsi91
i think we should get monkey bush i mean george bush out of office, i dont like him at all

Yeh i agree. Hes the reason i'm jobless rite now hahaha:D Damn economy sucks yo!:(

i'm canadian... can i comment?
i think War is Gay!!! i think Saddam and his sons should grow up.. that or take a gun and kill themselves! its sick what they do!
i hope the US troops get in there, find the SOB and kill his ass and his sons before they have a chance to do any retalliation at all! i kinda think this has an impact on Canada too because if the iraq's shoot a nuke at u guys and miss... well... they might hit us! :eek: that would suck but i hope all the US troops come back alive and well and my heart is with them. and i think Bush is just tryin 2 do what his dad couldnt

Originally posted by mellowboy


Yeh i agree. Hes the reason i'm jobless rite now hahaha:D Damn economy sucks yo!:( wow we agree on something! :flash:

LET'S GET IT ON :machinegu :aug2:

i dont think its right for war, i dont see why they cant get spys to go assasinate him instead of having a war

I dont like the war but i think if there is a f***ed up person out there with weapons that could kill us all the world should come together to kill and take him out. I dont think the world understands the weapons he has proboly at the push of a button. in 4 minutes this could be the begining of the end. missles all over im scared proboly like alot of people, in the end it comes down the this guys gotta leave before there are 100 such events like 9/11 or 1 event catastofic ( dont know how to spell it) event.

yes but realisticly you have to think that if there is a war there is gonna be some major problems. one of the bigger problems is that there is now like a nuke on every corner. So if we all start launching nukes. BYE. to every one. If the blast don't kill you the nuclear fall out will. lets see what do they call it like nuclear winter or something. Am I scuuured NO. what happens is what happens there is nothing that any body can do to change it. just my 2 cents

Shit im only worried about N.Korea. My friend just been sent out there:(

Originally posted by civicHBsi91
i dont think its right for war, i dont see why they cant get spys to go assasinate him instead of having a war

The united states cannot do this due to the fact we passed a bill saying that we will not permit assassinations against world leaders, yeah it's a stupid law but it was put there for a reason, because we did it once and we f'ed up. And to all the people who don't want war, I am curious as to why b/c i am not to pleased about sadam having nuclear weapons and not following agreements he signed. I realize war is drastic but over many years of diplomatic relations they have screwed themselves by and someone has to give Iraq back to it's people and out of the hands of killers.

war just scares me period, im afraid there gonna hit us later on i dont want that shit going on anymore

Originally posted by civicHBsi91
i dont think its right for war, i dont see why they cant get spys to go assasinate him instead of having a war

Assasinating Saddam will just create a power vacuum in an already unstable nation. Many people would fight to take over and most likely someone from his regime will follow in his footsteps. As for the war I support the men and women that are fighting for our freedom but I think we were a little to quick to pull the plug on diplomacy.

Originally posted by mellowboy
Shit im only worried about N.Korea. My friend just been sent out there:(

my brother was sent to S. korea :(

i dont see anything funny about this at all:rolleyes:

I don't know how to feel. I feel scared about the possibility of retaliation on U.S. soil. I am scared for all the troops if they are attacked by chemical and/or bio-logical weapons. I feel good that someone is doing something about Saddam and he devilish ways. We need not forget about N. Korea and Bin Ladin. I missed the part where the reason was explained that the focus was changed from Bin L. to Saddam. I have hope that what ever happens will happen swiftly , quickly and it does something good and not start some kind of chain reaction around the world. I also feel that Bush has a more personal agenda with this Iraq thing.
I live in NEW YORK. I have lived here all my life. When the World Trade Center was attacked, I was at work. (large electronics store) 200 televisions with the same channel on, showing the events unfold before our very eyes. I never felt so scared in my life. Every body in the store was standing still and silent, customers and employees. nobody could speak, or do any normal type of activity. I really don't know what I am trying to say, but whatever happens, I hope the out come is one to celebrate, and not to mourn. I pray for our troops, and the inocent civilians in Iraq. I really don't agree with the war, but what needs to be done will be done, it's out of our hands, and in the hands of GOD.

God bless you all, and God bless America.

You people don't understand what the man wants. This man is the next Hitler. He wants world domination. If we don't stop him now he will keep getting stronger and stronger and it will be too late to stop him. I just wish we would have taken him out in the last war. Also all these people are saying we have no reason to go to war with Iraq. Do you not understand he is greatly responsible for the 9/11 bombing? There are phone records and calls intercepted that proves he was in alliance with Binladen.

I think this war is gonna do good. Bush gave Sadam the chance to get rid of his weapons, never did and little bush is just cleaning up his fathers work. And yes all wars are scarey, and no one wants to see war but sometimes you cant let it go. I pray for our troops that are over fighting right now. And this time we will get rid of Sadam, we have too. God Bless.

Yes doug is correct, Sadam was the mastermind behind 9/11 and we need to get him as fast as we can. Bush even said that if chemical weapons are used agaisnt our troops, or the US he will not hesitate to use Nuclear Weapons..and I pray to god it doesnt get to that.

I so very much did not want this war. The president has failed us, and our brothers, sisters, and other family members will be the ones that pay.
Flunky

I feel rather strongly about this because my brother is in Saudi Arabia RIGHT NOW!! Piss on you cowards who do not support you ELECTED leader and support the people who are there to give their lives for the better of yours. I shun you. Moderate this, I don't care, someone will see it. If this is my last post ever, I have said my peace.

geeze, sorry guys. Venting pissants like me. Maybe I shouldn't have said those things but that is how I feel. I do apologize though. Opinions are varied. Just hope everything goes ok.

Originally posted by ihaveanSTD
I feel rather strongly about this because my brother is in Saudi Arabia RIGHT NOW!! Piss on you cowards who do not support you ELECTED leader and support the people who are there to give their lives for the better of yours. I shun you. Moderate this, I don't care, someone will see it. If this is my last post ever, I have said my peace.

i won't moderate it because it's freedom of your speach.

however...for anyone who cares to voice an opinion:

please do so in a manor that respects others. don't direclty flame another person. speak your peace and move on

thanks!

sowwy

Originally posted by ihaveanSTD
sowwy

it's all good! you don't ever cause problems. my reply was for anyone & everyone. i want people to be able to vent & voice their opinion...however, i also want people to remember to respect each other and no personal attacks :)

I don't know how to feel. I feel scared about the possibility of retaliation on U.S. soil. I am scared for all the troops if they are attacked by chemical and/or bio-logical weapons. I feel good that someone is doing something about Saddam and he devilish ways. We need not forget about N. Korea and Bin Ladin. I missed the part where the reason was explained that the focus was changed from Bin L. to Saddam. I have hope that what ever happens will happen swiftly , quickly and it does something good and not start some kind of chain reaction around the world. I also feel that Bush has a more personal agenda with this Iraq thing.

You just explained exactly how I feel about all of this.

Ok i hate how people are like damn bush its all his fault...."Its clinton gave those guys all the shit they have this shoould have never happend if clinton had some balls (a quote from my gram)" You guys elected bush i didnt i am under age and i think bush is doin a good job at handling this.....I dont wanna say wars good but during the great depression then when we went to WW II it boosted back up are economy and i think thats whats goin to happen with this and i give MAJOR credit to those men and women that are fighting...GOD BLESS AMERICA

im not for this war at all, but i guess things must be done..

but why did bush tell the iraqi's "not to burn their oil fields"? :confused:

Because Vice President Dick Cheney, former CEO of Halliburton, wants to frolic naked in his brand new, American-owned oil fields.
Happy Cavorting, Dick
Flunky
PS-Halliburton made millions fixing the oil fields last time. Maybe he's tired.

war doesn't determine who's right....it determines who's left



war sux....but my bro is home and my be called out :( war is like some people say....a necessary evil....i think it's just part of life....wish it wasn't but it is, i think i read somewhere...mabey someone posted it on the forum....today wwe fight with nuclear weapons, tomorrow we fight with sticks and stones.....sad truth

but i'm really scared because i'm located in the largest concentration of military forces...Norfolk, Va....and to go anywhere u have to either go thru a tunnel or cross a bridge...now that scary enough.....i was going thru the tunnel and catacorner to me was a white box truck...and i was scared to death b/c my mind was thinking that any moment it's gonna blow up and i'll be no more....i guess that's my morbid thinking...but scared the crap out of my self b/c i someone does bomb the tunnels and people are in it....not a thing anyone can do

now let me guess you guys wouldn't happen to be complaining about Gas prices are you? HMMMM think about it! I'm sorry but I would just like to know how old are most of you in here? I'm in the military and you know it's funny how this country is!

After 9/11 I couldn't stop all the good looks or people holding the door for me when I was in uniform and now I get muggy looks from people and I think it's Funny.

America loves the military when it serves them or defends them...Everybody wanted Osama's head on a platter after that now look at everyone...oh, peace don't hurt them don't do this....what has saddam done...

Do you want to know something funny....A famous person on TV said the other day Sadaam hasn't done anything to us why are we trying to kill him you don't know if he's going to do anything...

What the american people don't know is that Back in 85!!! Al Gore was talking to a Military General about a certain person he feared and was spending 60,000 on security on his home for his family....he laughed at the man and said why...he said it was because a man had threatened the life of his family and himself....why are you so afraid of him he asked..."because he is the most evil person I have ever heard of." you can't be afraid of this man...what should we do with him...

if it was up to me I would send out an assasin team and kill him!

we can't do that he has done nothing wrong is what Al Gore said...

Guess who the guy was?

Osahma Bin Laden!!!!!!! Could you imagine! 9/11 would have never happened had they listened to this guy!

This is where terrorism has truly taken its toll. Not when we are truly in danger, just when we are afraid we're at risk.
I live out in the sticks, but you can bet I'm going to be practically strip-searched when I come in to work tomorrow. They've already got state police everywhere.
And I carry my guitar everywhere. I'll bet I start catching shit for that every day, too.
Glad I'm not in Norfolk, VA, though!
Flunky

The tactic of secretly attacking and wiping out your enemies, especially when you think they are your own citizens has already been tried. The Soviet Union under Stalin hauled away literally millions of their own people and sent them to prison doing hard labor for 10, 25, sometimes 40 years.
And their government collapsed.
That method has been tried. True liberty is so precious, it is also so easily lost. The fastest way to lose it is by covert operations on foreigners. It's only one step away from covert operations on your own citizens. Paranoia is addictive.
Then, liberty is gone.
Flunky

the govenment does so much without the country knowing I don't even want to imagine...

War is war? it's gonna happen...I don't always agree but I am part of the Military and I love serving my country. It allows us to be free.

That's why everybody in the World wants to come to America!

I dare anyone to live in another country for a few years....Hell go to mexico for 6 months you'll be begging to come back...I lived in Germany for 6 years...and i love the states boy! well that and I missed car shows and drag racing!:D

i still don't see how we went from hunting osama to sadam....bush claims theirs a connection but this is what this war is based on...claims :(

I lived in Spain for a year, and the Copper Canyon area of Mexico for several months.
I was just as happy there as I am here.
Try it, you'll like it!
And the women are HOT!
Flunky
(The Sexist)
Kutsuju-Did you visit a part of Mexico that was overwhelmed by drunken Americans throwing up all over the place? Go a little deeper into the back country next time. People are nice there. And funny.
PPS-Ok, I didn't have a car in Spain, and boy, did I miss it! This is the only country where poor folks get to drive their own cars!

I will be the first to admit, that I would be the last one to ever want a war. I whole heartedly beleive that nobody really wants a war. But I will support American troops. I may not fully understand or trust the reason for the cause of this war, however if we send military force to Iraq without giving them a reason to come back. Then they are already gone. I also definately agree 4DF when he said that covert operations against other countries puts us only a step away from our own government spying on us. And that is freedom I would prefer we not have to lose. It is hard to say where as a country we will be when this war is over. Its not as if it were an innosence lost kind of thing we have been to war before. And each time we seem to grow a little more, but what are we growing into. I know this maybe a little cheesy " but with great power comes great respondsibility." America is by far the most powerful country in the world and what do we want to do with that power. Not what Bush or any other the elected officals want to do with the power, but what do we want to do with it because they speak for us.
:)
And as far as the gas prices I beleive somebody was griping at earlier in this thread. Well I have always wanted a car fuel by alcohol. :D

GOD BLESS AMERICA.

Hey man before 9/11 I used to be like a PEACEFULL HIPPIE PROTESTOR... After the realization of what was hapining hit me me and a couple of buddies went out there to help clean up (Before they said not to) My frend romie spent $8000 on a crain and we drove its ass out there... While picking through rubble and helping move I-beams I saw more blood and carnage than I would have liked to. Its alot different when you are holding a piece of arm or leg and putting it into a black biohazard bag for them to sort out who is who than it is seing it on tv.

I would like to see some serouse carnage put back on the people who cripled the proud. I think we should give it everything weve got, go over there and start slaughtering anything that moves... Fuck it, they have been killing eachother for milleniums anyway. You look at were things are fucked up in the world, and somehow it all points to the middle east.
KILLEM ALL!
God speed and let victory be in the hands of the ritouse.

I am for the war too, just worried about retaliation too, but u cant have it both ways :(

i think i want to live in canada, you guys never have beef with anyone, and your crime rates are WAYYYYY lower than any place in the u.s.a.

and now i'm 18 and have to register for draft, which may be re-instated when we go to war

I dont think that you'll have to worry about the draft, I think that after 9/11 we had enough people sign up for the military, but someone please correct me if i'm wrong.

Originally posted by Stali08
I dont think that you'll have to worry about the draft, I think that after 9/11 we had enough people sign up for the military, but someone please correct me if i'm wrong.

You're rite. I have 3 friends that are in the army. THey told me not to worry about getting drafted since theres a whole lot of ppl joined in.

You guys are acting like babys with the draft, what were gona do is bomb the hell out of them for a few weeks then send our troops in to do the clean up with will probly take a total of 1 1/2 months thats it so its not really a war it is more like testing out are bombs. And all you that dont like Bush are stupid could you imagin if Gore was President, the country would belong to Iraq or Afganistan by now that guy was a fucking pussy and would have been a bad presdient. And mellow dont blame bush for the economy he is trying to help it but the damn democrats are being bitches and wont let him fix it.

Originally posted by Stali08
I dont think that you'll have to worry about the draft, I think that after 9/11 we had enough people sign up for the military, but someone please correct me if i'm wrong.

There is a draft bill currently in congress. Whether it will be passed into law is another story.

im all for this war, if we dont stop these bastards now, then terrorism and shit will be going on forever, if we stand up and show what america is made, then idiots like saddam will think twice about sending his pakistany friends over to NYC and blowing our shit up.

Originally posted by crxlvr
im all for this war, if we dont stop these bastards now, then terrorism and shit will be going on forever, if we stand up and show what america is made, then idiots like saddam will think twice about sending his pakistany friends over to NYC and blowing our shit up.

This sums my feelings up ... plus once this war is over gas prices will go back down :cool:

they agreed to not have weapons of mass destruction and the do! and they wont give them up! take a look at their past and all the wars they have started. and that is why they ar not permitted to have them. and if they continue to have them they will use them on us and our fellow countrys. we only asked them to disarm or war.

it was their choice.

I'm tired of everyone talkin about how we need to get rid of people because of what they have or can do (We r just as guilty). We need to help solve our own country's problems & stop feeding the fire for hate from countries that don't like us already. Most people don't know all the crap that we do to manipulate people so we gain more power & control. I fully support the soldiers cause they're doing their job but I also support all the innocent people in Iraq that have to live (or die) through this war because of our need to right the wrongs for everyone else. I hope this war goes quick & GOD bless the children & innocent in Iraq that must face our destruction.

Here r a few facts about the pain we cause trying to make things better.
-1953: U.S OVERTHROWS PRIME MINISTER OF IRAN U.S. INSTALLS SHAH AS DICTATOR

-1954: U.S. OVERTHROWS DEMOCRATICALLY-ELECTED PRESIDENT OF GUATEMALA... 200,000 CIVILIANS KILLED

-1963: U.S. BACKS ASSASSINATION OF SOUTH VIETNAMESE PRESIDENT DIEM

-1963-1975: AMERICAN MILITARY KILLS 4 MILLION PEOPLE IN SOUTHEAST ASIA

-SEPT. 11, 1973: U.S. STAGES A COUP IN CHILE DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED PRESIDENT IS ASSINATED DICTATOR AGUSTO PINOCHET INSTALLED... 5,000 CHLIEANS MURDERED

-1977: U.S. BACKS MILITARY RULERS OF EL SALVADOR
70,000 SALVADORIANS AND 4 AMERICAN NUNS KILLED

-1980s: U.S. TRAINING OSAMA BIN LADEN AND FELLOW TERRORISTS TO KILL SOVIETS CIA GIVES THEM 3 BILLION DOLLARS

-1981: REAGAN ADMINISTRATION TRAINS AND FUNDS "CONTRAS"
30,000 NICARAGUANS DIE

-1983: WHITE HOUSE SECRETLY GIVES IRAN WEAPONS TO KILL IRAQIS

-1989: CIA AGENT MANUEL NORIEGA (ALSO SERVING AS PRESIDENT OF PANAMA) DISOBEYS ORDERS FROM WASHINGTON U.S. INVADES PANAMA AND REMOVES NORIEGA.... 3,000 PANAMANIAN CIVILIAN CASUALTIES

-1990: IRAQ INVADES KUWAIT WITH WEAPONS FROM THE U.S.

-1991: U.S. ENTERS IRAQ BUSH REINSTATES DICTATOR OF KUWAIT

-1998: CLINTON BOMBS "WEAPON FACTORY" IN SUDAN FACTORY TURNS OUT TO BE MAKING ASPIRIN

-1991-PRESENT: AMERICAN PLANES BOMB IRAQ ON A WEEKLY BASIS U.N. ESTIMATES 500,000 IRAQI CHILDREN DIE FROM BOMBING AND SANCTIONS

-2000-2001: U.S. GIVES TALIBAN RULED AFGHANISTAN $245 MILLION IN AID

-SEPT. 11, 2001: OSAMA BIN LADEN USES HIS EXPERT (US) CIA TRAINING TO MURDER 3,000

*AND YES...THESE ARE TRUE FACTS!!!

yes they do have the draft bill, but I doubt that we would need to put it into effect. I dont think this war is gonna last too long.

i also dont like to see innocent people killed. but america doesnt have tourcher chambers. tha war is against sadam. al he had to do was leave power! no bodie has to die. the only places being bombed are the places it where he is belived to be. and their are burdens to bear for fredom. And if prople dont like it why dont they move there.

I just hope it's over soon.... Gas prices are killing me now that I did some mods to my engine. Type R intake manifold..new fuel rail and B&M fuel regulator... going threw a tank of 91 every 3 days!!!!!

Originally posted by erbinone
I just hope it's over soon.... Gas prices are killing me now that I did some mods to my engine. Type R intake manifold..new fuel rail and B&M fuel regulator... going threw a tank of 91 every 3 days!!!!!

Gas prices are killing me regardless of my efficiecnt engine.

gas prices are the last thing on my mind right now, you should all be lucky that one of iraqs bombs dont make it over here.

Know i'm gonna piss of a bunch of people but so be it.

How can everybody say that Iraq is not a threat and we should not enforicng our own beliefs down on Iraq? Saddam is a manupilator(sp) and a ruthless killer. For over 12 years he has time to disarm and release the sactions held on his country but he pulled ring around the rosie with the UN. Clintin was a pussy, and did nothing to stop Saddam. I am glad we have a president right now that has a set of balls to do what he has said. I believe on 9-12-01, Bush swore to fight terror, and guess what he is doing? Iraq has proven now that they have not obeyed UN security council when he alaunched a SCUD missle at out troops, a weapon that he supposedly does not have. He had one last chance starting on mondaqy to leave, but once again, he ignored that chance, now it is time to unleash a can of whomp ass on this guy.

I come from a militry family. My uncle works in the Navy portion of the Pentagon and was lucky he was on a training op during 9-11-01. Many of my freinds are enlisted, hell about a third of the poeple i grew up with are enlisted, many over there right now. My dad, three of my unlces and a couple cousins are or have been but are retired now have been serving this country.

When i watch on the news about antiwar protestors, this pisses me off. When i lived in Groton on the sub base, there were a couple hundred protestors outside the gates protesting and insulting the brave men and women that put their lives on the line day in and day out to protect there freedom and rights including the right to protest. This protest right now that are causing our police to be diverted from keeping a watch and possible stopping any terroist activty here in the states pisses me off. Many of these protesters deserve a good smack on their head.

I know this long and very opionated, i sorry.

You are so right turbocivic you hit it right on. And about the protestors there were thousands stoping some of Chicagos main express ways last night. Then the burned our american flag. We should take the people that burn our flag and send them to bagdad when we bomb it hahaha that would be cool say to them you like that country more here you go.

If u all want more bullshit and "manipulation" watch CNN.

Originally posted by mellowboy
If u all want more bullshit and "manipulation" watch CNN.

i've come to the conclusion over the last 2 days.....

YOU NEED TO STOP WATCHING CNN MELLOWBOY!!!

flip over to cartoon network or nick and watch some nice soothing cartoons :D