Palin hurting McCain more than helping.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20081022/pl_ynews/ynews_pl106

Two biggest worries about McCain? Palin first, and his continuance of Bush's policies second.

I'm kind of surprised, but then again Obama is all for wire-tapping and other Bush policies, and that doesn't seem to be hurting him - I guess at least he didn't pick somebody as awful as Palin for his VP nomination.

I would not put too must trust into polls because the race is too fluid and there are too many variables on how the poll was conducted. If nothing else Palin probably had a positive effect with die hard Republican voters and Republican leaning.

For example this one below just came out from the AP and it technically has Obama and McCain running neck and neck.

Obama should worry about the most recent poll conducted by the Military/Army Times newspapers which are owned by Gannett. Gannett is known to be part of the liberal media. Troops of all branches of service polled favor McCain over Obama 3 to 1. :eek: See below.


AP
Oct. 22, 2008

WASHINGTON - The presidential race tightened after the final debate, with John McCain gaining among whites and people earning less than $50,000, according to an Associated Press-GfK poll that shows McCain and Barack Obama essentially running even among likely voters in the election homestretch.

The poll, which found Obama at 44 percent and McCain at 43 percent, supports what some Republicans and Democrats privately have said in recent days: that the race narrowed after the third debate as Republican-leaning voters drifted home to their party.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27324419?referer=sphere_related_content&referer=sphere_related_content




Military Times poll: Troops backing McCain

By Brendan McGarry - Staff writer
Thursday Oct 9, 2008

Sen. John McCain enjoys overwhelming support from the military’s professional core, a Military Times survey of nearly 4,300 readers, indicates, though career-oriented black service members strongly favored the Democratic Party candidate.

McCain, R-Ariz., handily defeated Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., 68 percent to 23 percent in a voluntary survey of 4,293 active-duty, National Guard and reserve subscribers and former subscribers to Army Times, Navy Times, Marine Corps Times and Air Force Times.

The results of the Military Times 2008 Election Poll are not representative of the opinions of the military as a whole. The group surveyed is older, more senior in rank and less ethnically diverse than the overall armed services.

But as a snapshot of careerists, the results suggest Democrats have gained little ground in their attempts to significantly chip away at a traditionally Republican voting bloc in campaign messages and legislative initiatives, such as the recent expansion of GI Bill benefits, experts said.

Poll Results (http://www.militarytimes.com/static/projects/pages/081003_ep_2pp.pdf)

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/10/military_poll_100508w/

If nothing else Palin probably had a positive effect with die hard Republican voters and Republican leaning.
Yeah, that's what I fear. Gov. Palin has re-energized the far right Republicans, the very voters I had hoped would stay home. The new McCarthyism of Gov. Palin's rhetoric has a lot of appeal to them, maybe enough to hold their noses and vote for McCain but I think the amount of moderates that are seeing through that will counter anything she may add to the party.

Well duh. Troops are going to favor somebody who gives them jobs. That doesn't say much for the average American though. Not that it makes much sense to say beware polls, then present more poll results - unless you're implying that the polls you posted are also likely inaccurate.

maybe enough to hold their noses and vote for McCain but I think the amount of moderates that are seeing through that will counter anything she may add to the party.

If they hold their noses and vote for McCain they are voting for a moderate Republican, at least that is what he is classified as the last time I checked. She is there to balance the ticket and keep the base happy.

Do you really know what a moderate Republican is?


Well duh. Troops are going to favor somebody who gives them jobs. That doesn't say much for the average American though. Not that it makes much sense to say beware polls, then present more poll results - unless you're implying that the polls you posted are also likely inaccurate.

Well double duh! Also, don't forget the over 20 million Veterans that are regular/average Americans and registered to vote. :wink: Regardless, I'll get my retirement check whether Obama or McCain is voted in. :biggrin:

If they hold their noses and vote for McCain they are voting for a moderate Republican, at least that is what he is classified as the last time I checked. She is there to balance the ticket and keep the base happy.

Do you really know what a moderate Republican is?

McCain seemed to be one, after remolding himself after the disgrace of being one of "The Keating Five" into a moderate during the first Bush administration. Then after being beaten into the ground in the 2000 primaries he started sucking up to the social conservatives only to lose again in 2004. And what did this "maverick", a so called moderate do? He further sucked up to the far right, courting the favors and endorsements of the right and voted with Bush over 90% of the time.

None of that has worked, so now McCain expects the addition of Palin to the ticket to give him street creds by having a right wing extremist will work? Doesn't sound like a moderate to me, just another suck up politician bending his morals to maximize the benefits to himself.

McCain seemed to be one, after remolding himself after the disgrace of being one of "The Keating Five" into a moderate during the first Bush administration. Then after being beaten into the ground in the 2000 primaries he started sucking up to the social conservatives only to lose again in 2004. And what did this "maverick", a so called moderate do? He further sucked up to the far right, courting the favors and endorsements of the right and voted with Bush over 90% of the time.

None of that has worked, so now McCain expects the addition of Palin to the ticket to give him street creds by having a right wing extremist will work? Doesn't sound like a moderate to me, just another suck up politician bending his morals to maximize the benefits to himself.

Believe it or not G. W. Bush is classified as a moderate Republican. We used to wonder how he got along so well with the Democrats in Texas when he was Governor.

I guess you are entitled to your opinion but it sounds like an Obama ad. But the above is old news and no revelation. It doesn't make any difference to most Republicans even the ones you perceive as moderate Republican. Whether it works or not who knows for sure. I'd wait until November 4 to pass judgment.

You still did not answer my question about what is a moderate Republican?

If they hold their noses and vote for McCain they are voting for a moderate Republican, at least that is what he is classified as the last time I checked. She is there to balance the ticket and keep the base happy

If McCain were truly moderate there'd be no need to "balance" the ticket, in any event if that is the issue, it looks as though maybe she's done more to throw his campaign off balance than to help satisfy all voters.

However it seems not so much to be her political stance, but her lack of experience that's throwing voters off.

Believe it or not G. W. Bush is classified as a moderate Republican.

You still did not answer my question about what is a moderate Republican?

W may have been a moderate as Governor of Texas, I'm not real familiar with Texas politics, but as President he has been anything but moderate.

The best description I've heard of a moderate republican is here:

http://stacymalbon.newsvine.com/_news/2007/09/20/974260-define-moderate-republican-for-me

"This term has been bandied about for years and years in the mainstream media, but without definition. Oh, the term “moderate Republican” used to have a definition. It used to mean a fiscally conservative Republican who nevertheless held that government had significant responsibilities for social welfare. A moderate Republican often was the one to lead the way when Congress was forced into compromise. A moderate Republican, though, is an endangered species. They simply don’t exist anymore. Seriously. Can you name a Republican who takes a stand on an issue that is not the doctrinaire, party-line Republican stance?"

Have a better one?

I guess you are entitled to your opinion but it sounds like an Obama ad.

Here is the best Obama ad I've seen yet:
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/cc65ed650d

Here's a scary thought: what if she's just a wolf in sheep's clothing and she turns out to be a lot smarter than she lets on and they really do think she'll be prez after Johnnie buys the farm?

Seems kinda lame for the repubs to put someone that's really that clueless up for VP. The landscape seems to be getting stranger all the time :uhoh:

Next thing you know, one of you guys will tell me the Illuminati is in on this. :eek:

Well duh. Troops are going to favor somebody who gives them jobs. I disagree. Troops (at least the friends and family I have serving) are more likely to vote in the best interest of themselves and their country from a security stand point, and not who's going to keep them at war, and even less likely to consider things like taxes, gay marriage and abortion. Just look at the overwhelming majority of contributions that Ron Paul received from the military when he was running, and his goal was an immediate withdrawal.

W may have been a moderate as Governor of Texas, I'm not real familiar with Texas politics, but as President he has been anything but moderate.

In my mind G.W. was undoubtedly a moderate Republican back in those days but he has morphed into something else. I guess as of current he is classified as a social conservative but it makes you wonder.


The best description I've heard of a moderate republican is here:

http://stacymalbon.newsvine.com/_news/2007/09/20/974260-define-moderate-republican-for-me


RINO! Republican In Name Only. :lol: But seriously probably anyone who claims he/she is a Republican but deviates from the norms or basic core beliefs of the party and more towards the left. For example believing in "pro choice" versus being full anti-abortion. I'd have to agree with the link probably an endangered species but they do exist. Also, moderate Republicans are supposed to have progressive ideology.


As far as Palin she is technically a social conservative but with some extreme views or beliefs.

In my mind G.W. was undoubtedly a moderate Republican back in those days but he has morphed into something else. I guess as of current he is classified as a social conservative but it makes you wonder.
Two words: born again
RINO! Republican In Name Only. :lol:
LOL, RINO is the snort of the hard line right wingers that get their peeps elected on “values” and then end up doing nothing of value in office. Most often heard during the mating rut of fall when the old bulls come down off the mountain to fend off the young bulls.
As far as Palin she is technically a social conservative but with some extreme views or beliefs.
That's an oxymoron.

That's an oxymoron.

Not really. An oxymoron is a person claiming they are a moderate Republican or any Republican based on any conservative values or ideology when in reality they are just a liberal or Democrat. :screwy: