code P1870 -trans slipping
mansopoor
09-18-2008, 04:33 PM
I have a 97 Blazer 4X4, 4.3 vortec. The ses came on and I got a p1870, I've being doing some reading on-line about this code, but can't quite get my head around it, I'm not quite sure what to do or where to look, some pic would be great so i can see exactly where it is and what to do. thanks.
ZL1power69
09-20-2008, 12:38 AM
The problem is in the valve body but I know different things can cause this problem. One is a stuck check ball. The trans starts slipping excessively and the pcm cranks the line pressure way up to compinsate and you will get an extremely hard 1-2 shift. The solution is usually to replace the valve body. There is a company that sells rebuilt ones on ebay that other people have had good experiences with. See here (http://stores.ebay.com/GLBTRANSMISSIONS). Stop driving the truck until you fix it or you could be paying for a complete trans rebuild.
MT-2500
09-20-2008, 11:08 AM
I have a 97 Blazer 4X4, 4.3 vortec. The ses came on and I got a p1870, I've being doing some reading on-line about this code, but can't quite get my head around it, I'm not quite sure what to do or where to look, some pic would be great so i can see exactly where it is and what to do. thanks.
The code is component slipping.
Depending on what is slipping and what year will determin the repair.
But the main cause is usually internal pressure leakage inside transmission.
Some times the valve body repair help but it is only a band aid fix.
Here is one of many tsb's on it.
And some of the cause.
Info - Component Slipping/DTC P1870 - Diagnosis #99-07-30-005 - (03/18/1999)Table 1: TCC System Symptom Table Table 2: Internal Transmission Symptom Table Component Slipping/DTC P1870 - Diagnosis1996 Buick Roadmaster 1996 Cadillac Fleetwood 1999 Cadillac Escalade 1996-99 Chevrolet Camaro, Corvette 1996-99 Pontiac Firebird 1996-99 Chevrolet and GMC C/K, M/L, S/T, G Models 1996-99 Oldsmobile Bravada 1996-99 Holden Commodore with Hydra-matic 4L60-E (RPO M30) DescriptionMany technicians experience difficulty when diagnosing 1996-1999 4L60-E transmissions with a DTC P1870 (Transmission Component Slipping). The purpose of this bulletin is to provide assistance for technicians that have already completed the DTC P1870 diagnostic table in the Service Manual. This bulletin will provide a diagnostic strategy for solving DTC P1870 concerns as well as give some of the most common causes for a DTC P1870. General Information ImportantChevrolet Camaro, Pontiac Firebird with 3.8L V6 Engine experiencing a slip condition at 70-90 km/h (45-55 mph) when the TCC applies should refer to Corporate Service Bulletin 77-71-70A for calibration re-flash. 1996 Chevrolet and GMC C/K, M/L, S/T, G Models, and 1996 Oldsmobile Bravada with VCM and 4L60-E (RPO M30) with a slip or flare on the 1-2 and/or 2-3 upshift, or no 3rd or 4th gear, or launch shudder should refer to Corporate Service Bulletin 66-71-03A to ensure that a poor internal ground in the VCM does not exist. A DTC P1870 indicates that a mechanical malfunction exists. If any other DTC's set along with a DTC P1870, then diagnose those first. A DTC P1860 (TCC PWM Solenoid Circuit Electrical) will set if a TCC PWM solenoid circuit failure exists. A DTC P0740 (TCC Enable Solenoid Circuit Electrical) will set if a TCC enable solenoid circuit failure exists. When attempting to duplicate DTC P1870, it is critical that a normal operating temperature of 82°C (180°F) to 93°C (200°F) be reached. It may be difficult to attain the transmission temperature required to adequately cause the DTC to duplicate. Allow the vehicle to idle to assist in warming the powertrain. Optimum speed to duplicate the DTC P1870 is between 89 km/h (55 mph) and 107 km/h (63 mph). Commanding the TCC ON and OFF several times with the Tech II is critical to monitoring slip when sticky valves in the valve body are suspect. If the customer brought in the vehicle for a temporary harsh 1-2 shift and no driveability concerns are seen during a test drive, then remember that a harsh 1-2 is a result of the PCM commanding maximum line pressure from recognizing a DTC P1870. The PCM must recognize that a DTC P1870 has set in two consecutive key cycles to illuminate the MIL. If a DTC P1870 is not recognized on a second key cycle, then normal line pressure returns. Vehicles should be inspected for correct tire size, axle ratio, or calibration. Diagnostic ApproachActionYesNoAttempt to duplicate DTC P1870. Did you duplicate DTC P1870?Go to Slip Check ProcedureGo to TCC System Symptom TableSlip Check ProcedureThis procedure will assist in isolating what area of the transmission is causing your slip, either the TCC system or internal transmission components. After you have isolated the origin of the slip, then utilize the TCC System Symptom Table or the Internal Transmission Symptom Table of this bulletin for most common concerns. To check for a TCC system concernTCC slip can occur either hot or cold or in both conditions. First, perform the following test at cold transmission temperatures, then perform the same test at normal operating temperature. Ideal slip from the transmission with the TCC applied is 50 RPM or less under light to normal throttle, no heavy engine load or hard accelerating conditions. Use the Tech II scan tool to monitor TCC slip while driving the vehicle in 4th gear at steady speed with the TCC commanded ON. When the TCC is applied or released (release the TCC with brake pedal, not the scan tool - release the TCC by lightly applying the brake pedal while simultaneously maintaining a steady throttle position), the slip speed should drop or rise 150-300 RPM. If the slip speed does not drop, then the DTC P1870 is being caused by the torque converter system. ActionYesNoDid TCC slip speed drop (150-300)?Continue Slip Check Procedure for an internal trans concernGo to TCC System Symptom TableTo check for an internal transmission concernSlip should be checked in every gear to isolate in which gear the slip may be occurring. Drive the vehicle in each forward gear range D1, D2, D3 and D4. Command the TCC ON with the Tech II in each gear and monitor slip speed. ImportantVehicle speed must be over 11 km/h (7 mph). Some TCC slip is normal when the TCC applies directly after 11 km/h (7 mph) is reached. If the slip speed remains constant from gear to gear, then the condition is most likely TCC related. Example: Slip speed is higher in second and fourth gear than in third gear. This would lead a technician to a possible slipping band. ActionYesNoIs slip speed equal in all gears?Go to TCC System Symptom TableGo to Internal Transmission Symptom TableImportantThese symptom tables are to be used when the following symptoms are associated with a DTC P1870. TCC System Symptom Table SymptomCausesTCC SLIP (100 RPM SLIP)Check for bronze bushing material in the pan and filter. If bronze material is present, then the stator bushings (234) and turbine shaft (241) should be replaced (Bronze bushing may turn black with an acrid odor). The turbine shaft and housing (621) should be replaced if damaged. In rare instances, it may be necessary to check for an overheated torque converter (24) (Blue and/or distorted converter). TCC solenoid (66) - Perform leak check. Converter clutch valve (224) in pump should be checked for 13 mm (0.500 in) of bore travel without binding. Turbine shaft O-ring seal (618) cut. Turbine shaft hole not drilled to full depth. This concern can be checked by squirting trans fluid through the turbine shaft hole to check for full flow. This is a low mileage failure. NO TCC APPLY (300 RPM SLIP)Converter clutch valve (224) stuck closed (Check for debris in valve bore). TCC PWM solenoid (396) broken/cracked. Visually inspect solenoid. TCC solenoid (66). Perform leak test. Turbine shaft O-ring seal (618) omitted. TCC SLIP WITH STALL STUMBLEConverter clutch valve (224) stuck open (TCC is applying).INTERMITTENT TCC, OK COLD, SLIPS HOTTCC PWM solenoid (396). Leak test solenoid. The TCC regulator apply valve (380) and/or converter clutch shift valve (224) may be sticking/side-loading. It is possible there will not be any damage to the valve upon inspection. Transmissions produced after 2/1/98 will have a groove cut into the spring end of the regulator apply valve. This design is to help float the valve in its bore (replace valve body assembly). Internal Transmission Symptom Table SymptomCauses3RD OR 4TH GEAR SLIP3-2 downshift solenoid (394) ball seat retention failed. Leak test solenoid. Usually associated with a 3-4 clutch/band worn. 3rd accumulator retainer and ball assembly (40) leaks. Test for proper check ball operation. Usually associated with burned 3-4 clutch. NO 4TH OR SLIPPING 4TH Check ball in the wrong location or extra check ball that has dropped behind the spacer plate during trans assembly. The extra check ball can block the 4th apply servo feed. Clutch orifice cup plug (238) not fully pressed in. SLIP/FLARE IN ANY GEARPump slide inner spring (207) or outer spring (206) omitted causing a slow slide response.NO 3RDClutch orifice cup plug (238) blown out.HARSH 1-2 UPSHIFT4-3 sequence valve (383) stuck in bore by sediment.NO 2-3 UPSHIFT2-3 shift valve (368) or 2-3 shuttle valve (369) stuck in bore by sediment.NO 3-4 UPSHIFT3-4 shift valve (385) stuck in bore by sediment.Service InformationRefer to the appropriate Service Manual for replacement procedures.
GM bulletins are intended for use by professional technicians, NOT a "do-it-yourselfer". They are written to inform these technicians of conditions that may occur on some vehicles, or to provide information that could assist in the proper service of a vehicle. Properly trained technicians have the equipment, tools, safety instructions, and know-how to do a job properly and safely. If a condition is described, DO NOT assume that the bulletin applies to your vehicle, or that your vehicle will have that condition.
The code is component slipping.
Depending on what is slipping and what year will determin the repair.
But the main cause is usually internal pressure leakage inside transmission.
Some times the valve body repair help but it is only a band aid fix.
Here is one of many tsb's on it.
And some of the cause.
Info - Component Slipping/DTC P1870 - Diagnosis #99-07-30-005 - (03/18/1999)Table 1: TCC System Symptom Table Table 2: Internal Transmission Symptom Table Component Slipping/DTC P1870 - Diagnosis1996 Buick Roadmaster 1996 Cadillac Fleetwood 1999 Cadillac Escalade 1996-99 Chevrolet Camaro, Corvette 1996-99 Pontiac Firebird 1996-99 Chevrolet and GMC C/K, M/L, S/T, G Models 1996-99 Oldsmobile Bravada 1996-99 Holden Commodore with Hydra-matic 4L60-E (RPO M30) DescriptionMany technicians experience difficulty when diagnosing 1996-1999 4L60-E transmissions with a DTC P1870 (Transmission Component Slipping). The purpose of this bulletin is to provide assistance for technicians that have already completed the DTC P1870 diagnostic table in the Service Manual. This bulletin will provide a diagnostic strategy for solving DTC P1870 concerns as well as give some of the most common causes for a DTC P1870. General Information ImportantChevrolet Camaro, Pontiac Firebird with 3.8L V6 Engine experiencing a slip condition at 70-90 km/h (45-55 mph) when the TCC applies should refer to Corporate Service Bulletin 77-71-70A for calibration re-flash. 1996 Chevrolet and GMC C/K, M/L, S/T, G Models, and 1996 Oldsmobile Bravada with VCM and 4L60-E (RPO M30) with a slip or flare on the 1-2 and/or 2-3 upshift, or no 3rd or 4th gear, or launch shudder should refer to Corporate Service Bulletin 66-71-03A to ensure that a poor internal ground in the VCM does not exist. A DTC P1870 indicates that a mechanical malfunction exists. If any other DTC's set along with a DTC P1870, then diagnose those first. A DTC P1860 (TCC PWM Solenoid Circuit Electrical) will set if a TCC PWM solenoid circuit failure exists. A DTC P0740 (TCC Enable Solenoid Circuit Electrical) will set if a TCC enable solenoid circuit failure exists. When attempting to duplicate DTC P1870, it is critical that a normal operating temperature of 82°C (180°F) to 93°C (200°F) be reached. It may be difficult to attain the transmission temperature required to adequately cause the DTC to duplicate. Allow the vehicle to idle to assist in warming the powertrain. Optimum speed to duplicate the DTC P1870 is between 89 km/h (55 mph) and 107 km/h (63 mph). Commanding the TCC ON and OFF several times with the Tech II is critical to monitoring slip when sticky valves in the valve body are suspect. If the customer brought in the vehicle for a temporary harsh 1-2 shift and no driveability concerns are seen during a test drive, then remember that a harsh 1-2 is a result of the PCM commanding maximum line pressure from recognizing a DTC P1870. The PCM must recognize that a DTC P1870 has set in two consecutive key cycles to illuminate the MIL. If a DTC P1870 is not recognized on a second key cycle, then normal line pressure returns. Vehicles should be inspected for correct tire size, axle ratio, or calibration. Diagnostic ApproachActionYesNoAttempt to duplicate DTC P1870. Did you duplicate DTC P1870?Go to Slip Check ProcedureGo to TCC System Symptom TableSlip Check ProcedureThis procedure will assist in isolating what area of the transmission is causing your slip, either the TCC system or internal transmission components. After you have isolated the origin of the slip, then utilize the TCC System Symptom Table or the Internal Transmission Symptom Table of this bulletin for most common concerns. To check for a TCC system concernTCC slip can occur either hot or cold or in both conditions. First, perform the following test at cold transmission temperatures, then perform the same test at normal operating temperature. Ideal slip from the transmission with the TCC applied is 50 RPM or less under light to normal throttle, no heavy engine load or hard accelerating conditions. Use the Tech II scan tool to monitor TCC slip while driving the vehicle in 4th gear at steady speed with the TCC commanded ON. When the TCC is applied or released (release the TCC with brake pedal, not the scan tool - release the TCC by lightly applying the brake pedal while simultaneously maintaining a steady throttle position), the slip speed should drop or rise 150-300 RPM. If the slip speed does not drop, then the DTC P1870 is being caused by the torque converter system. ActionYesNoDid TCC slip speed drop (150-300)?Continue Slip Check Procedure for an internal trans concernGo to TCC System Symptom TableTo check for an internal transmission concernSlip should be checked in every gear to isolate in which gear the slip may be occurring. Drive the vehicle in each forward gear range D1, D2, D3 and D4. Command the TCC ON with the Tech II in each gear and monitor slip speed. ImportantVehicle speed must be over 11 km/h (7 mph). Some TCC slip is normal when the TCC applies directly after 11 km/h (7 mph) is reached. If the slip speed remains constant from gear to gear, then the condition is most likely TCC related. Example: Slip speed is higher in second and fourth gear than in third gear. This would lead a technician to a possible slipping band. ActionYesNoIs slip speed equal in all gears?Go to TCC System Symptom TableGo to Internal Transmission Symptom TableImportantThese symptom tables are to be used when the following symptoms are associated with a DTC P1870. TCC System Symptom Table SymptomCausesTCC SLIP (100 RPM SLIP)Check for bronze bushing material in the pan and filter. If bronze material is present, then the stator bushings (234) and turbine shaft (241) should be replaced (Bronze bushing may turn black with an acrid odor). The turbine shaft and housing (621) should be replaced if damaged. In rare instances, it may be necessary to check for an overheated torque converter (24) (Blue and/or distorted converter). TCC solenoid (66) - Perform leak check. Converter clutch valve (224) in pump should be checked for 13 mm (0.500 in) of bore travel without binding. Turbine shaft O-ring seal (618) cut. Turbine shaft hole not drilled to full depth. This concern can be checked by squirting trans fluid through the turbine shaft hole to check for full flow. This is a low mileage failure. NO TCC APPLY (300 RPM SLIP)Converter clutch valve (224) stuck closed (Check for debris in valve bore). TCC PWM solenoid (396) broken/cracked. Visually inspect solenoid. TCC solenoid (66). Perform leak test. Turbine shaft O-ring seal (618) omitted. TCC SLIP WITH STALL STUMBLEConverter clutch valve (224) stuck open (TCC is applying).INTERMITTENT TCC, OK COLD, SLIPS HOTTCC PWM solenoid (396). Leak test solenoid. The TCC regulator apply valve (380) and/or converter clutch shift valve (224) may be sticking/side-loading. It is possible there will not be any damage to the valve upon inspection. Transmissions produced after 2/1/98 will have a groove cut into the spring end of the regulator apply valve. This design is to help float the valve in its bore (replace valve body assembly). Internal Transmission Symptom Table SymptomCauses3RD OR 4TH GEAR SLIP3-2 downshift solenoid (394) ball seat retention failed. Leak test solenoid. Usually associated with a 3-4 clutch/band worn. 3rd accumulator retainer and ball assembly (40) leaks. Test for proper check ball operation. Usually associated with burned 3-4 clutch. NO 4TH OR SLIPPING 4TH Check ball in the wrong location or extra check ball that has dropped behind the spacer plate during trans assembly. The extra check ball can block the 4th apply servo feed. Clutch orifice cup plug (238) not fully pressed in. SLIP/FLARE IN ANY GEARPump slide inner spring (207) or outer spring (206) omitted causing a slow slide response.NO 3RDClutch orifice cup plug (238) blown out.HARSH 1-2 UPSHIFT4-3 sequence valve (383) stuck in bore by sediment.NO 2-3 UPSHIFT2-3 shift valve (368) or 2-3 shuttle valve (369) stuck in bore by sediment.NO 3-4 UPSHIFT3-4 shift valve (385) stuck in bore by sediment.Service InformationRefer to the appropriate Service Manual for replacement procedures.
GM bulletins are intended for use by professional technicians, NOT a "do-it-yourselfer". They are written to inform these technicians of conditions that may occur on some vehicles, or to provide information that could assist in the proper service of a vehicle. Properly trained technicians have the equipment, tools, safety instructions, and know-how to do a job properly and safely. If a condition is described, DO NOT assume that the bulletin applies to your vehicle, or that your vehicle will have that condition.
irkid34
06-25-2009, 01:05 PM
This may not be the problem. Several things can cause this code to appear...all having to deal directly with the transmission. Most posts about this trouble code P1870 involving long trips using cruise control. When vehicle brought to a stop with cruise still engaged, driving resumed with a hard slamming in first to second...and 2nd to 3rd....not present in fourth. Several have also posted that if they turned the vehicle off, the problem went away yet the engine light resumed. Diagnostics had shown P1870 trouble code. Search more on this specific trouble code as it is apparent with several different transmissions. I drive a 97 blazer 4.3 liter FI 4X4 and am having same problem. Seems that if you have the code deleted from computer and remember to turn cruise off before coming to a stop that it wont innitiate the p1870 high pressure code. Thus keeping transmission from overheating. However, remember if this DOES happen again then drop from 4th to 3rd and this will save you from a fluid change caused by overheating.:2cents:
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