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pbrizzle86

09-09-2008, 07:26 PM

first i would like to say that i know this will be worthless without pics and they will get here soon, but i just picked up a 1986 crx si last sunday. had a bad tranny in it, 124 and r worked but were very loud. anyway got a tranny for it for 100 dollars and that one was perfect no grinds no leaks no bearing noise. witch in my experince is very very rare, i had to rebuild mine in my ED to get it to be like that.

but anyways back to the rex. this thing in mint, i am the second owner of the car. it is black with 122,000 miles on the chassie, the ew3 motor underwent a high compression build about 35000 miles ago and is very strong for what it is. all origanal paint, hood is oxidized but everything else is dam near perfect, has a full koni suspension with ebiach lowering springs in the rear, i dont know what brand torsion bars are in fron but they are upgraded also, there are 3 sway bars on the dam thing 2 in front and one in back.

The best feature of the car is the 5000$ leather interior that was put in it, everything is done in leather, and i mean everything, they guy went with a red and black colour scheeme and looks very clean, this was all done in the early to mid 90s and leather is still in great shape. little wear and tear here and there but thats to be expected. came with 2 recaro racing seats and momo stearing wheel. this guy spared no expense it seems, everypart is brand name, also has a pacesetter catback and dcsport headers.

i got a redicoulous deal on this car, i picked it up for 900 american dollars, tranny was 100, title was around 75 as tabs and plates were due as i didnt want to keep the vanity plate witch read blkmajk, yes i know there will be pics up here soon just got to pick up the camera and wait for some better daylight, Paul

BLU CIVIC

09-09-2008, 08:45 PM

since you already know, i'll hold off reading until then
:useless:

pbrizzle86

09-10-2008, 01:27 PM

BLU CIVIC

09-10-2008, 01:40 PM

FrodoGT

09-10-2008, 01:48 PM

Looks like fun mang!~ Finally a 1g with the plastic nose piece not cracked to hell or losing paint.

pbrizzle86

09-10-2008, 02:38 PM

yeah im kind of torn about weather or not to try to flip it or keep it for a while, i need to get a winter car soon or a motor for my civic as i cooked the rings again at the track, not sure if i want to rebuild again or just get a motor to make the car move for now and drive that in the winter. if i could find a good running d series i would have all winter to rebuild the zc mini me...again.

i would really like to keep this car for a while as its in such good shape,but then again i like having money and a faster civic. either way if i drive one of my hondas in the winter it will not be fun as they all have full suspension, and cant be aligned properly without adjustable Ball joints or making some holes biger to get the adjustment.and the rex is in such good shape it would be a shame to drive it on the salted minnesota streets.

the rex has only seen about 5 winters of use i was told and saw very limited use at that. it did come on blizaaks though. ah decisions decisions. thanks Paul

Christ

09-11-2008, 10:49 PM

damn dude... I officially hate you. I'm going to go have a good cry.

By the way, if you want to modify your new CRX, google KakaBox or Hydra... and add some terms, like CRX or Honda to the search...

KaKaBox was the actual build, Hydra was the codename for the engine... it's an EW/EV block w/ the D16A1 head, which has the same bolt pattern as the ZC head, and the ZC head could be used, as well.

IIRC, it's pretty much bolt on, as you can use integra head gaskets on the EW/EV motors.

FrodoGT

09-11-2008, 11:54 PM

Meh, aint got shit on the guy down here with a turbo b16 crammed into the front of his CONVERTIBLE crx.

Christ

09-12-2008, 12:29 AM

I just like the stock CRX's... but, I wouldn't mind a B16 1st gen... not convertible tho... targa, maybe.

Something about aftermarket convertible kits with soft tops just piss me off... if it was a Homebrew convertible, that still had the OEM top as a hardtop, that would be sweet.

I'd still prefer targa tho... something about it just makes me wanna giggle.

FrodoGT

09-12-2008, 01:08 AM

It was an original conversion

http://www.tamparacing.com/forums/lht-performance/421964-lht-build-1st-gen-crx-b16-needs-turbo.html

Christ

09-12-2008, 01:27 AM

Yeah, still don't really like convertible conversions... the car wasn't made to be a Convertible... and that's alot of weight addition... with extra bracing, and the motors and frame for the top, plus the fabric, locks, pins, new windshield upper frame brace... etc..

I think about things alot differently than most, I guess.. it looks cool, sure, but it's just not right to me.

Now, that turbo B16... that's pretty kick ass... I never did like the complete space constraint of the chassis tho... but I guess if you want a street car that can be made to weigh in under 1400 lbs, you really have to deal with little things like that.

I would love to have another 1st gen... even my 62 HP stock 86 CRX was kickass... it was faster than my B2/Si Sedan.

Tony

09-12-2008, 07:20 AM

Don't do the search, just go to www.redpepperracing.com and go to the projects page, there is an index for the Kakabox build. Even if you don't have a 1g, its a really good build to look at and get ideas.

Christ, some of the 1gs actually came out with to be a convertible, the Straman CRX. There is a nice group of them out in So Cal. I'm not much for convertibles either though, it does look a lot like a Metro convertible :(

Christ

09-12-2008, 05:30 PM

Yeah, not a fan...

I love the 1g's tho.. even the sedans... still don't really like the hatches.

I don't like Civic hatches all the way up to '92... and then some of the shit people do with them makes them not so appealing.

Tony

09-12-2008, 06:53 PM

I like the ED hatch the most. I like the EG hatch, mostly because I love the damn tailgate they have. The 3g have grown on me some, really depends if and what all is done to it.

Christ

09-12-2008, 09:46 PM

The only hatches I really like are the EG's... not sure what specifically about them, I don't think it's actually one specific thing... I just don't really like the ED/EF hatch, I don't like the 71-87's either.

Honestly, I think the 3rd gen hatch turned into the ED wagon.... but then again, the 3rd gen wagon was pretty boxy too.

FrodoGT

09-13-2008, 12:47 AM

Yeah if I were to go for another civic it would likely be an EG hatch. I would sacrifice it being heavy as hell for the look, Done right I think they can look pure sex. And the tailgate is awesome.

I don't mind my hatch but I just have to tell myself its half a crx lol. I would love another crx, this time to be done entirely by me the way I want, and quality work. Like my hatch is now...

If I didnt get an eg or a crx I have been thinking alot about the AWD platforms, and I think I could grit my teeth and drive an ugly wagon as long as the damn thing was turbo and I could make evos cry.

Also, I would laugh my way to the finish line if I could find a 5spd 4wd CRV, I saw one once with a turbo b18c1 running in the 12's. That would be the most bad ass small suv/ grocery getter. Id lower it down and do a nice suspension setup and autocross the hell out of it. I found ONE on ebay, and it wasnt too far from me. But 5k is out of my range for the base of a build...maybe the final cost down the road.

Christ

09-13-2008, 12:54 AM

Why not run a Bseries powertrain w/ the AWD setup from a totaled CR-V on your hatchie?

Imagine it... lighter, more powerful, and still AWD... and it's still a pretty unexpected mod, but it's been done, and there are FAQ's to cover it.

The wagovan swap has been done, and so has the CR-V swap... and I think ppl have even used the WagoVan rear w/ the CR-V tranny, just changing something about either the viscous coupler or the tranny-coupler shaft.

Oi... we're kinda jacking this thread tho...

FrodoGT

09-13-2008, 10:25 AM

Yes were steering a bit off topic. But anyway the crv drivetrain wont really fit in the hatch, its huge in comparison and you basically have to cut the floor out of the car.

I would totally do the drivetrain conversion on a hatch though. id like ot do a crx but then you have to go to the trouble of having the driveshaft re sized, oh well. Ans yeah ive seen a crv done in an eg and a wagon done in a hatch. Epic tuning did a 400hp turbo z6 on stock internals with the setup.

pbrizzle86

09-14-2008, 11:13 AM

well back on topic hahahaha just kidding i dont mind going in a diffrent direction with the thread. anyways i found out a bit more about the engine and what was done to it the guy previously worked at head works, a local machine shop, and went through the head completly, agressive port and polish, lightened valves,im not sure what cam he put in it but it is not stock. he had high compression pistons in there but had problems trying to get them to seat right so he went back to stock but i belive the block was bored 10 over. the bottom end was fully built, the crank was balanced aswell as aftermarket bearings. the tunning was done by a company called JET.

the funny part is that the interior was all done in 1988 and the motor wasnt long after that, i guess you could call this guy a pioneer as he was doing all this before tunning imports was really thought about much. that leather still looks great for being 20 years old. i got the origanal seats for the car, they were wrapped in lether also but have a bit of wear and tear on them. apprently the recaros that are in the car currently were bought to go into a ferrari but did not fit, so they made there way into the rex.

put some new tires on there and did an alighment at school on it and everything was pretty much in spec except the toe. so it fights me a lot less going down the road after making the adjustments. also fixed the gas gauge that was in-op, turned out to be a broken wire down by the tank.

today im doing a timing belt and water pump as it started screaming at me last night.

i think that i will end up selling it when i get the title as i really need to get my other civc back on the road and a winter car. i really hate to as i doubt that i wiil ever find anythng like this again for the price i paid.

i havent looked into the zc head going on the car but that might be intersting, but at the same time hate to have all the work that went into the ew head to go to waste. PAUL

Christ

09-14-2008, 01:30 PM

You could probably sell that ev/ew head if you wanted to do the ZC head swap... but you'd be making the same power or less w/ a stock ZC head than you are w/ the modded head that's on it.. so I guess it wouldn't really be worth the time or headaches that it can cause.

pbrizzle86

09-14-2008, 08:48 PM

yeah i was thinking it wouldn't be worth the trouble, but it would be nice to

move up a bit to the zc and get rid of all the vacuum controled crap under

the hood. i pretty much have everything to do the swap lying around. the

car is pretty quick as it is, but i still like my hatchie way more. all that aside

it is a pretty sick car. buying sombodys finished project is fun for about a

week then things seem to die off pretty quickly. and i say finished as in there

is no way i would be able to come up with the money to do anything beyond

what has been already completed. paul

Christ

09-14-2008, 08:56 PM

Well, depending on what all work was done, the EW/EV might be making the same power as the 1.6 would.. or pretty close... I mean, the D16A1 swap only makes like 118 HP max... I think 109 is a pretty realistic figure, considering how many miles will be on the engine, and accounting for wear, unless you rebuild it.

If you were to rebuild it, a nice 11.5:1 C/R w/ ZC cams and a header/exhaust tuned for E85 would probably kick some major ass... you should be pointing out about 150 HP there, on stock parts... keep it carb'd, if you wish, still running e85 through a nice little weber that's rejetted to handle alcohol.

(E85 is extremely tolerant to high compression, and supposedly has the same or more BTU's as gasoline.)

Not to mention that when you get into really high CR's, you're running more efficiently than you normally would be... so you'd still be getting decent mileage, on cheaper fuel, with more power... how could you pass that up?

BTW, there would be two ways to retain the carb for a ZC... you could either use the ZC/'teg carb manifold (very hard to find). Or you could get an adapter to use a standard D-series manifold, use any MPFI manifold, and use a side-draft. (Weber makes those too)

pbrizzle86

09-14-2008, 09:10 PM

its fuel injected stock

ive got to much into my hatch to abondon it

Christ

09-14-2008, 09:52 PM

Eh, that's even better... it would be a cheaper build.

It would take nothing to build the engine the way I described... especially if you already have the engine... ~$150 for a piston set, and about $300 for a "turbo" rebuild kit from eBay (I've used them, they're fine) that comes with Vitara pistons, which you can re-sell for at least $50. Other than that, a Chipped PM6 and tuning software, some re-wiring... you could probably wire up and swap in the motor in a weekend... and it would only be about $750 for everything.

You could also pop a D17 crank in there, w/ stock PM7/P29's.. that would give you 12.3:1 CR if the zealautowerks calc is good... I'm doubting it myself, since when you put a bigger bore in, the thing ups the compression number... which is exactly the opposite of what would happen in real life... But either way, 12+:1 CR would be a bitch to tune for w/ that combination.

Tony

09-14-2008, 09:56 PM

If I had the opportunity to buy something like that, I would in a heart beat, and I would keep it, not sell it. Sure you could turn around and spend that money on your hatch, but thats one clean CRX that has already had a nice amount of work put into it, and even if it would need a little bit of work to make it reliable(not saying it does, I'm tired and too lazy to go back up and read), I would use it as a daily while I get my hatch fixed.

Christ

09-14-2008, 10:11 PM

I gotta say I"m with Tony on this one... I wouldn't flip it just yet... save it for awhile, get your fun from it, and when the hatchie is fixed, make the decision if you want to flip it or play it out.

FrodoGT

09-14-2008, 11:33 PM

I never liked the interior of the 3g civics but you cant deny the history.

Christ

09-14-2008, 11:55 PM

I kinda liked the stock blue interior that my white 3g CRX had.

I wish I could have stored that car for a lil longer until I found the company that my wife's father used.. they could have gotten me a title for it.. and it was MINT. No rust, southern body, complete NEW interior, not cleaned up pieces, rebuilt EW 1.5 liter, carb'd. All stock, new clutch, new tranny seals, all new suspension parts, full ES urethane kit, modded T-bars and adjustable RPH bar.

The glass was perfect, the interior was perfect, I just needed to get the plastic fenders fixed (small cracks, turn big eventually), the plastic header panel was perfect, and I needed to build an exhaust for it... I was going to retro my 2g CRX exhaust to fit it. (somehow.)

Shit, even the seats were NEW pieces, bought from a local Honda dealer... the guy that I bought the car from put well over $3000 into just getting the chassis into perfect order, with no engine/trans or axles, etc.

I paid $600 for that one and a Donor rustbucket CRX to take a fresh engine/trans and axles from. He was building the car for his wife, who then divorced him and took him for just about everything, so when she asked for him to finish the car, he sold it for whatever I could give him just to spite her.

I love spiteful people..

No matter though.. it's gone now. I couldn't store it any longer, and it had no title from the owner that I bought it from, he only had a BOS from GA where the bare chassis was purchased... I could have gotten a title from one of those "classic car resto title" places... but I couldn't find one that did imports at the time...

Go figure.

pbrizzle86

09-15-2008, 02:30 PM

well the thing is if i decide to keep them both, witch the hatch is staying for sure, i would have to drive one in the winter. im kicking myself for selling my corrola and my subaru but if i didnt i probly wouldnt have this rex. im sure i could keep it clean if i had to drive it in the winter, there is a lot of plastic on the 1g and ive had it almost 2 weeks and it has 3 coats of wax on it from me alone, well me detail buddy that is. detailers just love it when every pice of your interior is wraped in leather and they have to go fondle every inch with leather conditioner. but anyway i dont know if i want to do much with this motor. it would be cool i must say, but having 750 laying around just wont happen. i still have a semster left of school and i still have a bunch of tools to buy, 50 percent discount with MAC and Snap-On is freaking sweet, 60 percent with mac they day of the tool fair. and im thinking of going back and taking the welding program also so that would be another almost 2 years of school.

i think i will end up keeping it and toughing the winter out with one of the cars but as of now the rex is the only running car. the rex right now stumbles around idle ever once in a while other than that it runs great. as is, it is about as fast as 91 accord manual with very little done to it, actually only a lighter flywheel has been done and the accord burns a bit of oil and i only stay about 1 car infront of it. i like the idea of the car but my heart lies with the 4g hatch, ive always wanted a rex though but i never thought it would be a 1g even with all the shit done to it i dont feel the "passion" if you will hahahah with this 1g. i go back and forth every day it seems so i dont know what will happen. Paul

Tony

09-15-2008, 05:41 PM

My main passion for the 1g/3g is their weights. They are an awesome platform to use if you are wanting as little weight as possible. I took my 86 Si, replaced the plastic fenders with metal(racing at a dirt track causes dents...much rather have dents than broken panels), put a roll cage in it, a Z6 engine with a 4g cable tranny and I still got the thing weighing in at 1520. At 1520, it was half the weight of the other main runners at my track, still had half the horsepower, but that is all it needed.

I learned a lot about them from redpepperracing, and got a ton of great ideas from there. I would check your panhard bar mount, that seems to be one of the main things that goes on these cars.

But I would definitely keep it. I love FWD when it comes to snow and ice, I will take it over any other platform out there. Around here we don't have to worry about salt though, so that could make things different.

Christ

09-15-2008, 07:18 PM

I'd rather have mid-engine all wheel drive. X-track, if you will.

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