3000GT History, Options, and Year to Year Changes
AutostradaVR4
08-12-2008, 02:07 PM
I've been working on this for a while, just for my own personal refrence really. The info has been taken from multiple web sites and forum posts, as well as my own research. I'm not claiming any of this info as my own, and if you feel you have not been given credit for something, please let me know and i will gladly add your name as a source or remove the info.
That being said, my primary concern and reason for posting this is accuracy. I want this to be as accurate as possible, so i'm looking for input from anyone who sees something missing or inaccurate. I know that 100% of this info is available elsewhere on the internet, but AFAIK, it is spread around in different places. This is just an attempt to consolidate it and verify it for correctness and completeness.
1991
Mitsubishi entered the sports-car arena with its new 2+2 sport coupe. All trims came standard with a 3.0L 24-valve DOHC V6 (6G72). The Base and SL were FWD, non-turbo. The flagship VR-4 had AWD, AWS, and a twin-turbo engine with dual intercoolers. The VR-4 only came with a 5-speed manual Getrag transmission, but the SL and Base had the option of an electronic 4-speed automatic transmission.
A driver-side airbag was standard for all trims.
Four-wheel disc brakes were standard for all trims.
Fog Lights were Standard for all trims.
ABS was Standard on VR-4 and SL, Optional on the Base.
ECS was Standard on the VR-4 and SL, not available on the Base.
Power windows and power locks Standard on VR-4 and SL, Optional on Base.
Power Driver's seat was Standard on VR-4 and SL, not available on Base.
Leather was Optional on VR-4 and SL, not available on Base.
Rear Variable Speed Intermittent Wiper was Standard on VR-4 and SL, Optional on Base.
Climate Control Standard on VR-4 and SL, not available on Base.
AC was Standard on SL and VR-4, Optional on Base.
Cruise control was Standard on VR-4 and SL, Optional on Base.
Steering wheel remote radio control was Standard on VR-4 and SL, Optional on Base. Graphic EQ and six speakers were Standard on VR-4 and SL, Optional on Base.
Active Aero was Standard on the VR-4, not available on the SL or Base.
Dual Mode Active Exhaust was Standard on the VR-4, not available on the SL or Base.
Available Colors for 1991:
Jamaica Blue Metallic
Glacier White Pearl
Fiji Blue Metallic
Nairobi Beige Metallic
Morocco Red Mica
Monza Red
Sable Black (Only 1 recorded 3000GT VIN in this color for 1991?)
1992
The electrical system was revamped for 1992. The vents in the side skirts become functional, rather that purely asthetic as ther were in 1991. The blue light radio with the preprogrammed graphic equalizer appears as Standard on the VR4, Optional on the SL, not available on the Base. There were also some mechanical changes part way through the 1992 model year run. VR-4s manufactured in or after the 2nd 10-day period in November, 1991, got a more rugged transfercase with a 25-spline output shaft (previous VR-4s have an 18-spline shaft).
A glass sunroof becomes Optional on all trims (mid-late 1992 models only)
Keyless entry becomes Standard on all trims (late 1992 models only)
Available Colors for 1992:
Panama Green Mica
Morocco Red Mica
Albany Black Mica
Fiji Blue Metallic
Sandstone Gray Metallic
Ascot Silver Metallic
Glacier White Pearl
Monza Red
1993
1993 sees some significant changes to the VR-4s. Mitsubishi revamps the engine, giving the TT model a 4-bolt main bearing cap girdle (the original used 2-bolt caps with stiffening stays on the middle 4 bolts) and all DOHC trims got a new forged nitride-steel crankshaft (the original was cast iron or mild steel). Also, the cam angle sensors were moved from the left head (where it was user-adjustable for timing) and into the block (not adjustable).
ABS still Standard on VR-4 and SL, now not available on Base.
Power windows, power locks, AC, and Cruise Control are now Standard for all trims.
The blue light radio is now Standard on the VR-4 and SL, but six speakers and steering wheel radio controls are Standard on the Base.
Leather becomes Standard on the VR-4.
Chrome wheels are offered for the first time.
CD-Changer is offered for the first time.
Available colors for 1993:
Morocco Red Mica
Panama Green Mica
Albany Black Mica (Base Only?)
Zurich White Mica
Sandstone Gray Metallic
Glacier White Pearl
Caracas Red
1994
For 1994, the 3000GT gets it’s first restyling. Exposed glass headlamps replace the flip-up units, as well as updated bumpers, side skirts, and tail light garnish. The 5-speed gives way to a 6-speed manual on the VR-4. Mitsubishi ups the boost from ~9 to ~12 lbs, resulting in a 20hp/8ftlb power bump. Mitsubishi’s Variable Induction Control System (MVIC) appears on the SL and Base DOHC. The ECU becomes a Hybrid OBD-I/OBD-II (OBD-I with some diagnostic capability). The VR-4 gets larger brakes. The SL and Base gain 4 ftlbs of tq. The blue light radio goes away for good, to be replaced by the Infinity 8-speaker system on the VR-4 and SL. Cali-Spec cars get the addition of an EGR system.
Climate Control is no longer available on the SL.
Dual Airbags become Standard for all trims.
Available colors for 1994:
Danube Blue Mica
Panama Green Mica
Zurich White Mica
Martinique Yellow Pearl
Glacier White Pearl
Sorrento Red Mica
Caracas Red
Sable Black
1995
The VR-4 loses it’s Active Exhaust. Sunroofs become confused- some are Electric, many are still glass with cranks. Either way, Bases still don't have one. ECS was ended half way through 95 (It seems that cars with Glass sunroofs have ECS and cars with the electric ones do not). The glass headlights are replaced with lexan units, but look almost identical.
The Infinity 8-Speaker system becomes Standard on all trims, but the Base lacks the steering wheel controls.
Costly retractable-hardtop Spyders debuted in spring 1995. Production was fairly limited. Spyder VR-4s kept their 6-speeds, Spyder SLs were all Automatic. There was no Spyder Base.
Available colors for 1995:
Martinique Yellow Mica
Sorrento Red Mica
Panama Green Mica
Danube Blue Mica
Glacier White Pearl
Caracas Red
Sable Black
1996
The ECU becomes a full OBD-II and all trims get an EGR system.
The electric sunroof is Optional on All trims.
Available colors for 1996:
Danube Blue Mica
Panama Green Mica
Superior Amethyst Pearl
Belgium Green Pearl
Glacier White Pearl
Solano Black Pearl
Caracas Red
1997
For 1997, the 3000 gets a modest facelift, and a rear hoop spoiler for all trims (the VR-4 loses its Active Aero system). Spyders are discontinued. Dodge discontinues the Stealth, and apparently Mitsubishi feels the need to fill the void left by the Base Stealth with the Base 3000GT by giving it a 161hp SOHC version of the 6G72. They also get rid of the rear sway bar on the Base. The Non Turbo also went from 222HP to 218HP (reason unknown, possibly re-rated after the EGR addition, or possibly a change in the way power is rated?)
ABS becomes Optional on the SL, still not available on the Base.
Wheel sizes become 16in aluminum Base, 17in chrome SL and 18in chrome VR4.
Fog lights remain Standard on the VR-4 and SL, but become Optional on the Base.
Leather becomes Standard on the VR-4 and SL, Optional on the Base.
Mitsubishi Homelink 3-channel garage door opener is Standard on the VR-4 and SL, not available on the Base.
The Infinity 8-speaker system remains Standard on the VR-4 and SL, but becomes Optional on the Base which comes standard with only a 6-speaker system. Steering Wheel Controls Still not available on the Base.
Available colors for 1997:
Danube Blue Mica
Panama Green Mica
Belgium Green Pearl
Glacier White Pearl
Solano Black Pearl
Caracas Red
1998
For 1998 the electrical system and ECU were updated (different harness), and the coolant resevoir was moved to the radiator support
Available colors for 1998:
Zealand Green Pearl
Glacier White Pearl
Solano Black Pearl
Caracas Red
1999
1999 is marked by an aggressive front end restyling and a new rear center garnish. The VR-4 gets a huge rear combat-style wing. Also, all models ditch the faux windows in the sail panels in favor of a solid piece. Still no ABS or sunroof for the Base, but almost everything else is the same for the SL and Base models. All trims got a fuel tank pressure sensor.
Fog light again become Standard on all trims.
Available colors for 1999:
Zealand Green Pearl
Glacier White Pearl
Solano Black Pearl
Caracas Red
The 3000GT is discontinued (in the US) for 2000.
(EDITED FOR ACCURACY)
That being said, my primary concern and reason for posting this is accuracy. I want this to be as accurate as possible, so i'm looking for input from anyone who sees something missing or inaccurate. I know that 100% of this info is available elsewhere on the internet, but AFAIK, it is spread around in different places. This is just an attempt to consolidate it and verify it for correctness and completeness.
1991
Mitsubishi entered the sports-car arena with its new 2+2 sport coupe. All trims came standard with a 3.0L 24-valve DOHC V6 (6G72). The Base and SL were FWD, non-turbo. The flagship VR-4 had AWD, AWS, and a twin-turbo engine with dual intercoolers. The VR-4 only came with a 5-speed manual Getrag transmission, but the SL and Base had the option of an electronic 4-speed automatic transmission.
A driver-side airbag was standard for all trims.
Four-wheel disc brakes were standard for all trims.
Fog Lights were Standard for all trims.
ABS was Standard on VR-4 and SL, Optional on the Base.
ECS was Standard on the VR-4 and SL, not available on the Base.
Power windows and power locks Standard on VR-4 and SL, Optional on Base.
Power Driver's seat was Standard on VR-4 and SL, not available on Base.
Leather was Optional on VR-4 and SL, not available on Base.
Rear Variable Speed Intermittent Wiper was Standard on VR-4 and SL, Optional on Base.
Climate Control Standard on VR-4 and SL, not available on Base.
AC was Standard on SL and VR-4, Optional on Base.
Cruise control was Standard on VR-4 and SL, Optional on Base.
Steering wheel remote radio control was Standard on VR-4 and SL, Optional on Base. Graphic EQ and six speakers were Standard on VR-4 and SL, Optional on Base.
Active Aero was Standard on the VR-4, not available on the SL or Base.
Dual Mode Active Exhaust was Standard on the VR-4, not available on the SL or Base.
Available Colors for 1991:
Jamaica Blue Metallic
Glacier White Pearl
Fiji Blue Metallic
Nairobi Beige Metallic
Morocco Red Mica
Monza Red
Sable Black (Only 1 recorded 3000GT VIN in this color for 1991?)
1992
The electrical system was revamped for 1992. The vents in the side skirts become functional, rather that purely asthetic as ther were in 1991. The blue light radio with the preprogrammed graphic equalizer appears as Standard on the VR4, Optional on the SL, not available on the Base. There were also some mechanical changes part way through the 1992 model year run. VR-4s manufactured in or after the 2nd 10-day period in November, 1991, got a more rugged transfercase with a 25-spline output shaft (previous VR-4s have an 18-spline shaft).
A glass sunroof becomes Optional on all trims (mid-late 1992 models only)
Keyless entry becomes Standard on all trims (late 1992 models only)
Available Colors for 1992:
Panama Green Mica
Morocco Red Mica
Albany Black Mica
Fiji Blue Metallic
Sandstone Gray Metallic
Ascot Silver Metallic
Glacier White Pearl
Monza Red
1993
1993 sees some significant changes to the VR-4s. Mitsubishi revamps the engine, giving the TT model a 4-bolt main bearing cap girdle (the original used 2-bolt caps with stiffening stays on the middle 4 bolts) and all DOHC trims got a new forged nitride-steel crankshaft (the original was cast iron or mild steel). Also, the cam angle sensors were moved from the left head (where it was user-adjustable for timing) and into the block (not adjustable).
ABS still Standard on VR-4 and SL, now not available on Base.
Power windows, power locks, AC, and Cruise Control are now Standard for all trims.
The blue light radio is now Standard on the VR-4 and SL, but six speakers and steering wheel radio controls are Standard on the Base.
Leather becomes Standard on the VR-4.
Chrome wheels are offered for the first time.
CD-Changer is offered for the first time.
Available colors for 1993:
Morocco Red Mica
Panama Green Mica
Albany Black Mica (Base Only?)
Zurich White Mica
Sandstone Gray Metallic
Glacier White Pearl
Caracas Red
1994
For 1994, the 3000GT gets it’s first restyling. Exposed glass headlamps replace the flip-up units, as well as updated bumpers, side skirts, and tail light garnish. The 5-speed gives way to a 6-speed manual on the VR-4. Mitsubishi ups the boost from ~9 to ~12 lbs, resulting in a 20hp/8ftlb power bump. Mitsubishi’s Variable Induction Control System (MVIC) appears on the SL and Base DOHC. The ECU becomes a Hybrid OBD-I/OBD-II (OBD-I with some diagnostic capability). The VR-4 gets larger brakes. The SL and Base gain 4 ftlbs of tq. The blue light radio goes away for good, to be replaced by the Infinity 8-speaker system on the VR-4 and SL. Cali-Spec cars get the addition of an EGR system.
Climate Control is no longer available on the SL.
Dual Airbags become Standard for all trims.
Available colors for 1994:
Danube Blue Mica
Panama Green Mica
Zurich White Mica
Martinique Yellow Pearl
Glacier White Pearl
Sorrento Red Mica
Caracas Red
Sable Black
1995
The VR-4 loses it’s Active Exhaust. Sunroofs become confused- some are Electric, many are still glass with cranks. Either way, Bases still don't have one. ECS was ended half way through 95 (It seems that cars with Glass sunroofs have ECS and cars with the electric ones do not). The glass headlights are replaced with lexan units, but look almost identical.
The Infinity 8-Speaker system becomes Standard on all trims, but the Base lacks the steering wheel controls.
Costly retractable-hardtop Spyders debuted in spring 1995. Production was fairly limited. Spyder VR-4s kept their 6-speeds, Spyder SLs were all Automatic. There was no Spyder Base.
Available colors for 1995:
Martinique Yellow Mica
Sorrento Red Mica
Panama Green Mica
Danube Blue Mica
Glacier White Pearl
Caracas Red
Sable Black
1996
The ECU becomes a full OBD-II and all trims get an EGR system.
The electric sunroof is Optional on All trims.
Available colors for 1996:
Danube Blue Mica
Panama Green Mica
Superior Amethyst Pearl
Belgium Green Pearl
Glacier White Pearl
Solano Black Pearl
Caracas Red
1997
For 1997, the 3000 gets a modest facelift, and a rear hoop spoiler for all trims (the VR-4 loses its Active Aero system). Spyders are discontinued. Dodge discontinues the Stealth, and apparently Mitsubishi feels the need to fill the void left by the Base Stealth with the Base 3000GT by giving it a 161hp SOHC version of the 6G72. They also get rid of the rear sway bar on the Base. The Non Turbo also went from 222HP to 218HP (reason unknown, possibly re-rated after the EGR addition, or possibly a change in the way power is rated?)
ABS becomes Optional on the SL, still not available on the Base.
Wheel sizes become 16in aluminum Base, 17in chrome SL and 18in chrome VR4.
Fog lights remain Standard on the VR-4 and SL, but become Optional on the Base.
Leather becomes Standard on the VR-4 and SL, Optional on the Base.
Mitsubishi Homelink 3-channel garage door opener is Standard on the VR-4 and SL, not available on the Base.
The Infinity 8-speaker system remains Standard on the VR-4 and SL, but becomes Optional on the Base which comes standard with only a 6-speaker system. Steering Wheel Controls Still not available on the Base.
Available colors for 1997:
Danube Blue Mica
Panama Green Mica
Belgium Green Pearl
Glacier White Pearl
Solano Black Pearl
Caracas Red
1998
For 1998 the electrical system and ECU were updated (different harness), and the coolant resevoir was moved to the radiator support
Available colors for 1998:
Zealand Green Pearl
Glacier White Pearl
Solano Black Pearl
Caracas Red
1999
1999 is marked by an aggressive front end restyling and a new rear center garnish. The VR-4 gets a huge rear combat-style wing. Also, all models ditch the faux windows in the sail panels in favor of a solid piece. Still no ABS or sunroof for the Base, but almost everything else is the same for the SL and Base models. All trims got a fuel tank pressure sensor.
Fog light again become Standard on all trims.
Available colors for 1999:
Zealand Green Pearl
Glacier White Pearl
Solano Black Pearl
Caracas Red
The 3000GT is discontinued (in the US) for 2000.
(EDITED FOR ACCURACY)
jason_bet
08-12-2008, 05:25 PM
Wow.. thats a lot of work.. Good work too..
Jason
Jason
ChemDragon
08-12-2008, 05:38 PM
so you absolutely could not get a sunroof on a base model in 99? Didn't know that.
Stealthee
08-12-2008, 06:18 PM
I'll have to read it carefully later tonight but the skimming I did I saw a few things that needed corrected.
Very good work though,
Very good work though,
Stealthee
08-12-2008, 10:37 PM
Couple things off the top of my head.
The large glass sunroof became available in mid/late 92.
It was also available on base models. (I know base/ES Stealths could get them so why not base 3ks?)
Keyless entry was added in late 92.
I've never seen a base 3k with radio controls.
I've never seen a base 3k with ABS (ABS is usually one of the key factors in determining the difference between a base and SL)
I've never seen a 3s not have cruise
I've never seen a 3s not have a/c
VICS was available on all year NA DOHC
EGR was added full time in 96. Some 94-95 (read: Cali spec) also had EGR.
The change in HP rating is still unknown why. The engine was identical from 96-97.
As for the electrical system 98 and 99 were totally different than all the other 3s's. They were still obd2 but things in the ECU just got to more of a pain in the ass in laymans terms.
Things in bold are things I am 100% certain of. Some of this might come from me knowing Stealths a little better than 3000GT's though.
The large glass sunroof became available in mid/late 92.
It was also available on base models. (I know base/ES Stealths could get them so why not base 3ks?)
Keyless entry was added in late 92.
I've never seen a base 3k with radio controls.
I've never seen a base 3k with ABS (ABS is usually one of the key factors in determining the difference between a base and SL)
I've never seen a 3s not have cruise
I've never seen a 3s not have a/c
VICS was available on all year NA DOHC
EGR was added full time in 96. Some 94-95 (read: Cali spec) also had EGR.
The change in HP rating is still unknown why. The engine was identical from 96-97.
As for the electrical system 98 and 99 were totally different than all the other 3s's. They were still obd2 but things in the ECU just got to more of a pain in the ass in laymans terms.
Things in bold are things I am 100% certain of. Some of this might come from me knowing Stealths a little better than 3000GT's though.
l_eclipse_l
08-13-2008, 01:03 AM
Couple things off the top of my head.
The large glass sunroof became available in mid/late 92.
Seconded. My '92 SL came with a power glass moonroof.
Keyless entry was added in late 92.
How can you tell if the car came with keyless or not? Mine has power locks and an alarm...but when I got the car it did not come with a remote. The same thing happened with my eclipse and I just bought a remote on eBay and had a friend with a diagnostic tool program it, but I knew for sure that model had keyless.
Otherwise than that, the information looks good to me. Nice work.
The large glass sunroof became available in mid/late 92.
Seconded. My '92 SL came with a power glass moonroof.
Keyless entry was added in late 92.
How can you tell if the car came with keyless or not? Mine has power locks and an alarm...but when I got the car it did not come with a remote. The same thing happened with my eclipse and I just bought a remote on eBay and had a friend with a diagnostic tool program it, but I knew for sure that model had keyless.
Otherwise than that, the information looks good to me. Nice work.
Crackhedbob341
08-13-2008, 03:19 AM
Hold it homes, how could you forget about Amethyst Purple? (my car)
All my pics keep happening to be in the shade, but here's a glimpse. (AFAIK this color is rare from the factory)
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh95/tiffgirl022/PIC_0114.jpg
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh95/tiffgirl022/CIMG1415.jpg
All my pics keep happening to be in the shade, but here's a glimpse. (AFAIK this color is rare from the factory)
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh95/tiffgirl022/PIC_0114.jpg
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh95/tiffgirl022/CIMG1415.jpg
Girly VR-4
08-13-2008, 10:16 AM
96+ base models did have optional sunroofs. I had either a red or a white 97/98 base model with an electric sunroof.
Girly VR-4
08-13-2008, 10:17 AM
AND... I have a 95 SL, power sunroof, WITH ECS... talk about weird....
Also, cloth was an option on 94 TT models for the stealth's (not sure about the 3000GT's). There was a local guy with factory cloth interior in his yellow TT.
91 3000GT's... the sideskirts were NOT functional, in 92, they became functional vents.
98, the coolant resiovoir was moved to the front radiator support, also, the ECU's and wiring harness are 98-99 specific. NOT interchangeable with any prior years.
Also, cloth was an option on 94 TT models for the stealth's (not sure about the 3000GT's). There was a local guy with factory cloth interior in his yellow TT.
91 3000GT's... the sideskirts were NOT functional, in 92, they became functional vents.
98, the coolant resiovoir was moved to the front radiator support, also, the ECU's and wiring harness are 98-99 specific. NOT interchangeable with any prior years.
Crackhedbob341
08-13-2008, 04:08 PM
AND... I have a 95 SL, power sunroof, WITH ECS... talk about weird....
Not so weird....
As the price of the cars increased, many of the "gadgets" on the car were discontinued. The tunable exhaust was phased out as early as 1994, the ECS disappeared after the 1995 model year, and the active aerodynamics in 1996. Finally, Chrysler ceased sales of the Dodge Stealth captive import, and for the remainder of its life only Mitsubishi-badged versions were available.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3000GT
Not so weird....
As the price of the cars increased, many of the "gadgets" on the car were discontinued. The tunable exhaust was phased out as early as 1994, the ECS disappeared after the 1995 model year, and the active aerodynamics in 1996. Finally, Chrysler ceased sales of the Dodge Stealth captive import, and for the remainder of its life only Mitsubishi-badged versions were available.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3000GT
AutostradaVR4
08-13-2008, 05:56 PM
Edited for accuracy.
crackhedbob: Superior Amethyst Pearl was in there for 1996...you must have missed it. my favorite 3/s color btw...very nice.:wink:
girly vr4: this is primarily for 3000's. I dont know a whole lot about the stealths. if someone wanted to do this for stealths, i'm sure alot of the info is the same though :wink:
crackhedbob: Superior Amethyst Pearl was in there for 1996...you must have missed it. my favorite 3/s color btw...very nice.:wink:
girly vr4: this is primarily for 3000's. I dont know a whole lot about the stealths. if someone wanted to do this for stealths, i'm sure alot of the info is the same though :wink:
Stealthee
08-13-2008, 07:06 PM
I fixed 93 for ya. You fixed it by putting the sunroof info in 92 but still had sunroof was added in 93.
And again the EGR was added full time in 96. Cali spec 94 and 95 also had an EGR.
And again the EGR was added full time in 96. Cali spec 94 and 95 also had an EGR.
Crackhedbob341
08-14-2008, 12:12 AM
Oh haha yeah I had some hardcore insomnia going on, and looked over it too quick.
Girly VR-4
08-14-2008, 09:59 AM
Not so weird....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3000GT
yes weird. Because ALL glass sunroofs had ECS... ALL retractable electric roofs did NOT have ECS. The electric roof/no ECS was a mid-year change.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3000GT
yes weird. Because ALL glass sunroofs had ECS... ALL retractable electric roofs did NOT have ECS. The electric roof/no ECS was a mid-year change.
AutostradaVR4
08-14-2008, 10:13 AM
yes weird. Because ALL glass sunroofs had ECS... ALL retractable electric roofs did NOT have ECS. The electric roof/no ECS was a mid-year change.
...what about ones with niether? maybe your sunroof was installed later or installed by a dealer for the original buyer?
...what about ones with niether? maybe your sunroof was installed later or installed by a dealer for the original buyer?
Girly VR-4
08-14-2008, 12:34 PM
...what about ones with niether? maybe your sunroof was installed later or installed by a dealer for the original buyer?
an electric sunroof isn't just "added by a dealer". it's OEM... factory installed.
and the ECS was factory fit and finished. Maybe a custom factory ordered car... who knows. but it's an exception, regardless.
And if they didn't have a sunroof... it comes down to production date. The later 95 models had no ECS, early 95's DID have ECS.
an electric sunroof isn't just "added by a dealer". it's OEM... factory installed.
and the ECS was factory fit and finished. Maybe a custom factory ordered car... who knows. but it's an exception, regardless.
And if they didn't have a sunroof... it comes down to production date. The later 95 models had no ECS, early 95's DID have ECS.
AutostradaVR4
08-14-2008, 01:38 PM
cool. any chance you can PM me the VIN to play with? i just want to see how many other cars it says were built in 95 with the same options, and also see where it falls as far as production date. Custom order or not, i would think there will be very few cars identical to it (as far as year/trim/options go)
Girly VR-4
08-14-2008, 04:57 PM
cool. any chance you can PM me the VIN to play with? i just want to see how many other cars it says were built in 95 with the same options, and also see where it falls as far as production date. Custom order or not, i would think there will be very few cars identical to it (as far as year/trim/options go)
I *think* it may have went with the car when we scrapped it. I doubt I still have it. I'll check though.
I *think* it may have went with the car when we scrapped it. I doubt I still have it. I'll check though.
Girly VR-4
08-14-2008, 04:59 PM
I actually still have the original window sticker.
I'll scan it and host the picture. Give me a few.
I'll scan it and host the picture. Give me a few.
vectorspecialist
08-14-2008, 11:11 PM
good stuff. i believe my lack of knowledge and blink's interest sparked this, so i say thank you. lil tough to follow on first read, but cool.
i know a bit bout the stealth, but i'm thinking if stealthee gets the time he'd do 10x better than i could on stealth differences.
maybe he then could answer this for me, did a 92 stealth have the glass roof as an option or were they standard?
that was primary difference mechanically right, options list/AA correct?
i know a bit bout the stealth, but i'm thinking if stealthee gets the time he'd do 10x better than i could on stealth differences.
maybe he then could answer this for me, did a 92 stealth have the glass roof as an option or were they standard?
that was primary difference mechanically right, options list/AA correct?
AutostradaVR4
08-14-2008, 11:22 PM
the glass roof on the stealths became an option midway through '92
as per http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/1991-to-1996-dodge-stealth.htm
as per http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/1991-to-1996-dodge-stealth.htm
vectorspecialist
08-14-2008, 11:30 PM
the glass roof on the stealths became an option midway through '92
as per http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/1991-to-1996-dodge-stealth.htm
u ever do a report on these, i've never even really had the time to look at different sites, just google different phrases and hit a few on the first page.
as per http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/1991-to-1996-dodge-stealth.htm
u ever do a report on these, i've never even really had the time to look at different sites, just google different phrases and hit a few on the first page.
Girly VR-4
08-15-2008, 09:55 AM
i didn't get a chance to sccan the window sticker, but the ECS was standard on my old 95 SL, and the electric sunroof was a factory option. interesting.....
AutostradaVR4
08-16-2008, 08:53 PM
just realized i forgot about the brake upgrade for '94.
was there any changes for the n/a models' brakes? (ever?)
EDIT, one more question...were there any other differences for the european market, other than the front end lighting? the 13b turbos were purely a dealer install, and not from the factory, correct? and also the europeans never got our version of the '99 right?
ok i lied, 2 more questions...i read that the GTO in japan kept its ECS and didnt lose it like the USDM models did...and also that the GTO (at least the '99 GTO) had LSDs. can anyone verify this as true or not?
was there any changes for the n/a models' brakes? (ever?)
EDIT, one more question...were there any other differences for the european market, other than the front end lighting? the 13b turbos were purely a dealer install, and not from the factory, correct? and also the europeans never got our version of the '99 right?
ok i lied, 2 more questions...i read that the GTO in japan kept its ECS and didnt lose it like the USDM models did...and also that the GTO (at least the '99 GTO) had LSDs. can anyone verify this as true or not?
Stealthee
08-17-2008, 02:05 PM
just realized i forgot about the brake upgrade for '94.
was there any changes for the n/a models' brakes? (ever?)
EDIT, one more question...were there any other differences for the european market, other than the front end lighting? the 13b turbos were purely a dealer install, and not from the factory, correct? and also the europeans never got our version of the '99 right?
ok i lied, 2 more questions...i read that the GTO in japan kept its ECS and didnt lose it like the USDM models did...and also that the GTO (at least the '99 GTO) had LSDs. can anyone verify this as true or not?
NA brakes stayed the same
Euro 3000GT's had the "euro" front end and only got up to our 94-96 styling. As for turbos Euro 3000GT's had a 13g as an option.
Not sure about ECS, I would think they all lost it though. GTO's never got LSD's
Another note if you are on GTO's is to mention the GTO's had a different gear ratio in the 6 speeds than the 3000GT's got.
was there any changes for the n/a models' brakes? (ever?)
EDIT, one more question...were there any other differences for the european market, other than the front end lighting? the 13b turbos were purely a dealer install, and not from the factory, correct? and also the europeans never got our version of the '99 right?
ok i lied, 2 more questions...i read that the GTO in japan kept its ECS and didnt lose it like the USDM models did...and also that the GTO (at least the '99 GTO) had LSDs. can anyone verify this as true or not?
NA brakes stayed the same
Euro 3000GT's had the "euro" front end and only got up to our 94-96 styling. As for turbos Euro 3000GT's had a 13g as an option.
Not sure about ECS, I would think they all lost it though. GTO's never got LSD's
Another note if you are on GTO's is to mention the GTO's had a different gear ratio in the 6 speeds than the 3000GT's got.
AutostradaVR4
08-17-2008, 05:17 PM
ah...good info. I knew the MR had different gearing...did not realize that they all did.
I thought the same thing about the ECS and LSD, but then i came across this site...
http://www.j-garage.com/mitsubishi/gto/z16a.htm
"1999 GTO TWIN TURBO Twin turbocharged V-6 3000 DOHC 24-valve with intercooler : 6-speed manual transmission, ABS, ECS suspension, Four wheel drive VCU center diff, Rear Viscous LSD, 4WS, Rear spoiler, Electric door mirrors, Front electric adjust seats, Leather wrapped steering wheel, Leather wrapped shift knob, Driver and front passenger SRS air bags, Power steering, Power windows, Center door lock."
had me scratching my head a bit. That site also says that the MR had 4WS, ABS and electric seats...which i did not think was the case either.
I thought the same thing about the ECS and LSD, but then i came across this site...
http://www.j-garage.com/mitsubishi/gto/z16a.htm
"1999 GTO TWIN TURBO Twin turbocharged V-6 3000 DOHC 24-valve with intercooler : 6-speed manual transmission, ABS, ECS suspension, Four wheel drive VCU center diff, Rear Viscous LSD, 4WS, Rear spoiler, Electric door mirrors, Front electric adjust seats, Leather wrapped steering wheel, Leather wrapped shift knob, Driver and front passenger SRS air bags, Power steering, Power windows, Center door lock."
had me scratching my head a bit. That site also says that the MR had 4WS, ABS and electric seats...which i did not think was the case either.
Stealthee
08-17-2008, 09:28 PM
That could be as inaccurate as the one site that says a GTO MR is a mid engine rear wheel drive that came with 13g's from the factory. :lol:
AutostradaVR4
08-17-2008, 10:13 PM
"...but in Gran Turismo, MR means 'mid-engine RWD'...?"
:banghead:
:banghead:
vectorspecialist
08-17-2008, 11:23 PM
^^ wow!!! mr also stands for mid engine rwd in the mr2...
so then if the gto only got up to the 96 body, did they retain AA through it's demise in 01?
so then if the gto only got up to the 96 body, did they retain AA through it's demise in 01?
AutostradaVR4
08-18-2008, 12:25 AM
^^ wow!!! mr also stands for mid engine rwd in the mr2...
so then if the gto only got up to the 96 body, did they retain AA through it's demise in 01?
You misunderstood. The GTO (JDM) came in all stylings. It was the European 3000GTs that only saw through '96 stylings.
so then if the gto only got up to the 96 body, did they retain AA through it's demise in 01?
You misunderstood. The GTO (JDM) came in all stylings. It was the European 3000GTs that only saw through '96 stylings.
vectorspecialist
08-18-2008, 01:37 PM
o. i've been having a bad week when it comes to reading intrepration.
imma enjoy myself and get drunk later today.
but i's gots a question, 99 vr4 reverse lights in rear garnish
imma enjoy myself and get drunk later today.
but i's gots a question, 99 vr4 reverse lights in rear garnish
AutostradaVR4
08-18-2008, 02:05 PM
but i's gots a question, 99 vr4 reverse lights in rear garnish
all of them are...was that your question?
all of them are...was that your question?
vectorspecialist
08-18-2008, 06:07 PM
yea, wow i'm really out of it.
i ment the black extended to where the reverse lights were correct, wrapped around around em a lil?
saw a kid with wat coulda been a 94-96 with the 99 wing but only got to see the rear garnish. i had never seen the car around here so i didnt know if someone took a previous gen or it was a authentic 99 vr4.
only other one i've seen was near easton on rt.22
i ment the black extended to where the reverse lights were correct, wrapped around around em a lil?
saw a kid with wat coulda been a 94-96 with the 99 wing but only got to see the rear garnish. i had never seen the car around here so i didnt know if someone took a previous gen or it was a authentic 99 vr4.
only other one i've seen was near easton on rt.22
Girly VR-4
08-18-2008, 07:37 PM
yea, wow i'm really out of it.
i ment the black extended to where the reverse lights were correct, wrapped around around em a lil?
saw a kid with wat coulda been a 94-96 with the 99 wing but only got to see the rear garnish. i had never seen the car around here so i didnt know if someone took a previous gen or it was a authentic 99 vr4.
only other one i've seen was near easton on rt.22
so... what is it exactly that you're asking, again...??
i ment the black extended to where the reverse lights were correct, wrapped around around em a lil?
saw a kid with wat coulda been a 94-96 with the 99 wing but only got to see the rear garnish. i had never seen the car around here so i didnt know if someone took a previous gen or it was a authentic 99 vr4.
only other one i've seen was near easton on rt.22
so... what is it exactly that you're asking, again...??
vectorspecialist
08-18-2008, 09:13 PM
i ment the black extended to where the reverse lights were correct, wrapped around around em a lil?
basically am i i right on that assumtion?
that work?(rhetorical)
basically am i i right on that assumtion?
that work?(rhetorical)
Crackhedbob341
08-18-2008, 11:41 PM
Here, look at this to solve all questions..
http://www.3sx.com/store/catalog/body-99-rear-center-panel-installed-400.jpg
99's have the bumper, the rear garnish, 99 sail panels, headlights, and the combat spoiler for TTs
http://www.3sx.com/store/catalog/body-99-rear-center-panel-installed-400.jpg
99's have the bumper, the rear garnish, 99 sail panels, headlights, and the combat spoiler for TTs
AutostradaVR4
08-18-2008, 11:44 PM
this is 2nd gen...
http://i1.ebayimg.com/07/i/000/fc/e1/71af_1.JPG
the back up lights are in the same exact place on the 99, but the whole thing is black and slatted. If you try hard enough you can find a pic.
http://i1.ebayimg.com/07/i/000/fc/e1/71af_1.JPG
the back up lights are in the same exact place on the 99, but the whole thing is black and slatted. If you try hard enough you can find a pic.
Girly VR-4
08-19-2008, 09:49 AM
all years, 91-99, the center panels/reverse light panels are plug and play, and 100% interchangeable.
fullmetalpanic
08-19-2008, 10:58 PM
OMG my husband has WAY to much time on his hands.... go to work damn it and make me money!
all though not to bad of a write up!
all though not to bad of a write up!
vectorspecialist
08-20-2008, 12:50 AM
ouch...
ok. i was just trying to figure out if it was a imitation 99 or genuine. but knowing all parts are interchangable and that it was a kid, i'll just go with it was fake. if i c it again, i'll try and make sure.
i havent had time to do anything on the net lately. this shit i only know from email sends to my account. other than that, just job hunting.
ok. i was just trying to figure out if it was a imitation 99 or genuine. but knowing all parts are interchangable and that it was a kid, i'll just go with it was fake. if i c it again, i'll try and make sure.
i havent had time to do anything on the net lately. this shit i only know from email sends to my account. other than that, just job hunting.
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