1995 Gulf GTR's

According to the livery list the 3 1995 Gulf GTR's were chassis no's #02R, #04R & #08R.
We also know that #04R is supposedly destroyed, though one scource claims that although not rebuilt it's remains still exist somewhere.

So do we know the whereabouts of #02R and #08R?

Cheers.

02R - is rumored to be still somewhere in the UK

08R - is now road registered and owned by Salman bin Hamad bin Isa Al Khalifa (Crown Prince of Bahrain)

04R - I don't think that it is destroyed as it was used (according to some sources) to replace the crashed 14R in the last round of the 1996 JGTC at Mine

#02R isn't listed as having a known-to-us location in my 'Location of GTR's - Index' (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=753270) thread apart from being somewhere in the UK, but we believe -

#08R - now road registered; owned by Salman bin Hamad bin Isa Al Khalifa, the Crown Prince of Bahrain (:thumbsup: Erik); in Papaya orange
http://img21.imagevenue.com/loc735/th_19238_008R_Fina_2_122_735lo.jpg (http://img21.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=19238_008R_Fina_2_122_735lo.jpg) http://img20.imagevenue.com/loc858/th_88685_l_mclaren_122_858lo.jpg (http://img20.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=88685_l_mclaren_122_858lo.jpg) http://img120.imagevenue.com/loc1008/th_57842_008R_10_122_1008lo.jpg (http://img120.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=57842_008R_10_122_1008lo.jpg) http://img167.imagevenue.com/loc1004/th_68417_008R_White_Gulf_56_1_122_1004lo.jpg (http://img167.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=68417_008R_White_Gulf_56_1_122_1004l o.jpg) http://img177.imagevenue.com/loc382/th_68419_008R_Le_Mans_95_122_382lo.jpg (http://img177.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=68419_008R_Le_Mans_95_122_382lo.jpg) http://img136.imagevenue.com/loc20/th_68493_mclaren_f1_gtr_3small4_122_20lo.jpg (http://img136.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=68493_mclaren_f1_gtr_3small4_122_20l o.jpg)

I contacted someone about #02R when this image surfaced a couple of years ago:

http://img181.imagevenue.com/loc447/th_65224_002R_12_122_447lo.jpg

They replied to my inquiry with a future promise of information that was never received and I don't believe I ever followed up on it again. I will have to dig around and see if I can find that exchange and try once again.

>8^)
ER

I've said it before and i'll say it again. Its in storage in the UK

Yeah, but you used to be sure the Barazi F1 was #049 and also used to tell us there were no black LMs too. ;)

Actually, that would make for a pretty funny thread - to go back through the forum and find all the things that were incorrect over the years. :grinyes:

In my column there have been more than a few. The one that sticks out the most was my long-running assumption that #038 was really #075. Oops... :redface:

I think we have gotten better at this - at least I know I try to make it clear when something is speculation versus known fact these days. Hopefully the rest of you try to do the same.

>8^)
ER

Yeah, but you used to be sure the Barazi F1 was #049 and also used to tell us there were no black LMs too. ;)


:rolleyes:

I was told Barazi's F1 was a 1996 car by the guy that was selling it. I took his word for it. I'd hardly say I was wrong about it.

Info on 02R came first hand from someone who saw the car in storage. Unless there's another blue GTR with yellow wheels we don't know about...

02R :- Chris is correct on this.

04R :- I know where it is, but I am not at liberty to tell anyone. Sorry.

08R :- As above. But I will add, that it was used to replace 14R in Japan.

None are in their original livery, shame.

Mr Barazi,s F1 has had an interior refit, if I am not mistaken.

:rolleyes:

No need for the rolleyes smiley Chris - was just having a bit of fun. :icon16:

No one here is perfect, including me. Heck - I had to correct myself in a thread just yesterday. :loser:

Le Man - Barazi's F1 certainly had an exterior refit as it was originally blue. No knowledge here on whether that is the original interior in the car.

>8^)
ER

http://img181.imagevenue.com/loc447/th_65224_002R_12_122_447lo.jpg


What's this aiming for? The World's Fuggliest F1 Colour Combo Award? :iceslolan

^^Looks like it had a int/refit in the last pics posted at the polo match.

The lighting may be deceptive as the car is in the shade.

No need for the rolleyes smiley Chris - was just having a bit of fun. :icon16:

I know. Sorry. Its been a slow day here :banghead:

^^Looks like it had a int/refit in the last pics posted at the polo match.

The lighting may be deceptive as the car is in the shade.
Nope, still has red seat inserts and a blue dash / interior

04R :- I know where it is, but I am not at liberty to tell anyone. Sorry.

Hiding in your own garage, isn't it? :grinyes:

Any idea what it looks like as far as paint color or livery are concerned? I'll assume it was repaired at some point, but perhaps you can't address that question? :dunno:

>8^)
ER

I am so pleased that someone else can confirm that #04R is instorage somewhere, it confirms what I was told earlier this year but again the person who told me can not divulge it's whereabouts. I'm just happy that it still exists.

Can you confirm whether it was still in a state of disrepair or as it been reassembled?

Hiding in your own garage, isn't it? :grinyes:



You been peeping, :nono: naughty boy.

I,ll show you something soon Erik, via a PM.

All will be known eventualy, given time. Just like #14R.

...but again the person who told me can not divulge it's whereabouts. I'm just happy that it still exists.


Near(ish) Woking

08R :- As above. But I will add, that it was used to replace 14R in Japan.


That's actually the first time I heard of this. All my sources so far quote #04R to be the car which was used to replace 14R at Mine GT '96...
:confused: :dunno:

It has been said that both #04R and #08R were used to replace #14R.... :)

Near(ish) Woking
And I believe it's not in its original lovery but a complete car

It has been said that both #04R and #08R were used to replace #14R.... :)
At which occasions???
There were only 6 races in the 1996 JGTC and the first 5 of them were done by 14R itself...

As in it was only one of those 2 chassis numbers...;)

That's actually the first time I heard of this. All my sources so far quote #04R to be the car which was used to replace 14R at Mine GT '96...
:confused: :dunno:

Show me pics of the two Lark GTR,s at Mine 96 and I,ll show you something interesting!!

Show me pics of the two Lark GTR,s at Mine 96 and I,ll show you something interesting!!

Sorry but I don't have any...
Can someone help out?

:)

according to here (http://www.wspr-racing.com/wspr/results/jgtc/jgtc1996.html) it was #04R and #13R at Mine as #14R had its accident at Sugo - what is there to see?

according to here (http://www.wspr-racing.com/wspr/results/jgtc/jgtc1996.html) it was #04R and #13R at Mine as #14R had its accident at Sugo - what is there to see?

No surprise - all the web references you will find are parroted from the chassis history poster.

>8^)
ER

Come on Martin ;) what's the deal with the GTR's at Mine in '96? I only have pics from I think Suzuka

Come on Martin ;) what's the deal with the GTR's at Mine in '96? I only have pics from I think Suzuka

Someone must have some Mine pics or video content?

I will scan and post some interesting info tomorrow.

There's very limited content out there on the '96 LARK cars, so I might have something from Mine and just not know it. Perhaps that book on the JGTC that Archangel owns has some specific content that he can share? I meant to grab a copy myself and have not yet.

>8^)
ER

The photo from Mine 1996 is too tiny to make any detail. There are full page photos and half page photos, but I can't make out if they're from Mine or not.

http://s298.photobucket.com/albums/mm249/archangelgtr/jgtc/th_jgtc96lark-001.jpg (http://s298.photobucket.com/albums/mm249/archangelgtr/jgtc/jgtc96lark-001.jpg) http://s298.photobucket.com/albums/mm249/archangelgtr/jgtc/th_jgtc96lark-002.jpg (http://s298.photobucket.com/albums/mm249/archangelgtr/jgtc/jgtc96lark-002.jpg) http://s298.photobucket.com/albums/mm249/archangelgtr/jgtc/th_jgtc96lark-005.jpg (http://s298.photobucket.com/albums/mm249/archangelgtr/jgtc/jgtc96lark-005.jpg)

http://s298.photobucket.com/albums/mm249/archangelgtr/jgtc/th_jgtc96lark-003a.jpg (http://s298.photobucket.com/albums/mm249/archangelgtr/jgtc/jgtc96lark-003a.jpg) http://s298.photobucket.com/albums/mm249/archangelgtr/jgtc/th_jgtc96lark-004a.jpg (http://s298.photobucket.com/albums/mm249/archangelgtr/jgtc/jgtc96lark-004a.jpg)

Perhaps something on the JGTC 10 years DVD set?

The photo from Mine 1996 is too tiny to make any detail. There are full page photos and half page photos, but I can't make out if they're from Mine or not.

http://s298.photobucket.com/albums/mm249/archangelgtr/jgtc/th_jgtc96lark-001.jpg (http://s298.photobucket.com/albums/mm249/archangelgtr/jgtc/jgtc96lark-001.jpg) http://s298.photobucket.com/albums/mm249/archangelgtr/jgtc/th_jgtc96lark-002.jpg (http://s298.photobucket.com/albums/mm249/archangelgtr/jgtc/jgtc96lark-002.jpg) http://s298.photobucket.com/albums/mm249/archangelgtr/jgtc/th_jgtc96lark-005.jpg (http://s298.photobucket.com/albums/mm249/archangelgtr/jgtc/jgtc96lark-005.jpg)

http://s298.photobucket.com/albums/mm249/archangelgtr/jgtc/th_jgtc96lark-003a.jpg (http://s298.photobucket.com/albums/mm249/archangelgtr/jgtc/jgtc96lark-003a.jpg) http://s298.photobucket.com/albums/mm249/archangelgtr/jgtc/th_jgtc96lark-004a.jpg (http://s298.photobucket.com/albums/mm249/archangelgtr/jgtc/jgtc96lark-004a.jpg)

Perhaps something on the JGTC 10 years DVD set?

Pic1 - almost impossible to tell
Pic2 - Sugo
Pic3 - Suzuka

Pic4+5 - yet to find out

:)

This page is from Michael Cottons GTR book.

Read 04R and 08R under GTR chassis.

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/9788/gtr1pr8.th.jpg (http://img300.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gtr1pr8.jpg)

This sort of text can lead to confusion. It should read as, 08R replaced 04R in the GTC Motorsport team. As 08R never gave up its chassis plate. 04R was sent back to McLaren after the Jarama (95) crash and was never seen again.

I have even stated before, on this forum. That 04R was used at Mine 96. But that was by going on the evidence I had at the time. I just need some pics from Mine to prove beyond reasonable doubt. It took me ages to prove to you guys that it was 11R and not 07R, that Mercedes used for their test mule, as stated by McLaren. I also provided an article that showed 08R as the West adrenalin car, more on this chassis later!!

This is the only Mine pic I have found.

http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/8725/13azb4.th.jpg (http://img385.imageshack.us/my.php?image=13azb4.jpg)

Shame about the size!! it would make a great pic at 1024

This is the only Mine pic I have found.

http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/8725/13azb4.th.jpg (http://img385.imageshack.us/my.php?image=13azb4.jpg)

Shame about the size!! it would make a great pic at 1024

1024 (clickable)
http://img166.imagevenue.com/loc631/th_24293_13azb41_122_631lo.jpg (http://img166.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=24293_13azb41_122_631lo.jpg)