any axles from other years/cars that will fit?

This has probably been covered, but I couldn't find it, so I was hoping someone knew... or had a link.... link would be fine.

I have a 89 DX, it needs at least the pass. side axle (boot is ripped, knocking on corners), but could use both.. I'm using the DX tranny and stock hubs.. so what can I use?

I'm not sure on the interchangability of axles, I search my area and oriellys is the cheapest on new and reman 4 gen axles, new- 57 reman- 49 and life time warranty

same at napa, but if anything else will fit, I can get them free.. I work at a junkyard part-time, they give me parts.

They just don't have any EF's around ATM... so I can't just yank the "right ones" lol

Unless im mistaken a 5th gen axle should fit?

You're mistaken, unless it's a model-specific thing... DX EG's won't fit, ours are 25 spline at both ends, the EG's are 26 outside/25 inside.

I'll check on other ones tho, since you usually have an idea what you're talking about lol.

I see. It would make sense. But I havent ever heard anything about the splines being different. Dont see why they would be dumb enough to do that.

according to rock auto, there are two types for our cars... 23/25, and ??/26

NiChio makes the ??/26, the desc. is "{Front CV Axle Assembly: Right, 26 tooth outer joint
Remanufactured #06443SH1505RM}"

I'm thinking that I'll have to just grab one from the '95 at the yard (only one that's 5spd) and try it out.. see if it will fit or not.


Side note, even the NiChio part number is different between gens.. but I've seen alot of cases where part number just meant something stupid was changed, like the ring clamp for the boot.

"Well the civic std with the 4 spd and the crx hf with a long geared 5 speed both have the smaller axles. Thats all there is to it. Either you get the right size axle. Or you upgrade the hubs to the larger ones from a civic dx si lx or ex." frodogt



I was wonder - is there a difference in strength, fuel mileage, life expectancy, between the 23 and 26 spline axles and what difference does a solid straight shaft compared to the "bludge in the middle" and are they hollow in the larger diameter section (i'm don't know the name for these different shafts) type shafts

but that was referring to the difference between 4th gen axles..

just cram it in there and lock that nut down - if anybody could make it work , its you

You're mistaken, unless it's a model-specific thing... DX EG's won't fit, ours are 25 spline at both ends, the EG's are 26 outside/25 inside.

I'll check on other ones tho, since you usually have an idea what you're talking about lol.

wrong, i have 95 dx axles in my circle track crx. they work just fine.

Aight, I'm gonna check them out... I'll let y'all know how they work.

I was gonna say, Christ, I have used just about any axle I could find laying around when I was at the salvage yard. Very seldom you will run into something that won't work just as long as you stick with the same series. I don't even think Auto or manual makes a difference, I'm pretty sure when I did the auto-5spd swap i reused my axles....but could be mistaken there.

Thanks for the input Tony... I was waiting for a 'vet with some experience on the forums to chime in with personal experience lol... I'll get the axles free from the yard until I can afford new ones.

Well that was the first I got to read it. Finally got another job 8-5 m-f, warehousing a bunch of records.

The only difference I really saw on the axles were that some of them were thicker, or the bearings are different sizes. Which if your looking for a replacement, neither of those really make a difference. I believe the 4g DX/STD axles were smaller than the others. I know when I was trying to make an axle for my crx, I couldn't use the DX/STD axles because of the bearing sizes, since I was having to make my own axles for it(Stock 1g outer/shaft with z6 inners). Still couldn't keep the right one from seperating though, oh well, gave up on it.

Thanks for the input Tony... I was waiting for a 'vet with some experience on the forums to chime in with personal experience lol... I'll get the axles free from the yard until I can afford new ones.

so your saying that i dont have any experience cuz i don't have 1400 posts like you?

In a word, yes :P

alright i'll whore like he does then ill have as much experience as him :P

There ya go! Thats the Spirit.

No, not really eg.ob. Christ knows what all I have done, and most likely knows I try just about anything out, especially on my dirt track cars :p

But, yes, your post count does reflect this, you haven't been here long, none of us know you and what you have done or are capable of. Post-whoring to get your post count up still proves nothing....other than your like a lot of members here and like to post whore :)

eg.ob... if you would have read it, I said "with some experience on the forum"

That doesn't relate to life experience, auto experience, etc...

It wasn't meant to be an insult, please don't take it as one... and just so you know, calling regs "post-whores" (especially "Tony the Mod") isn't the best way to get recognized around here... try adding genuine valid input, and being appropriate.

Don 't get discouraged that noone will take your word for it the first couple times.... it happens to all the new guys.

Lmao....even if that was directed towards me as being the post-whore, I would have still laughed at it...but he was calling you a post whore Christ :P

yeah, I know... just letting him know it's not a good idea to try to insult ANYONE, let alone the only 5 people that post on here lately....

Yeah eg.ob that was a real dumb move. Don't let yourself get sucked into post-whoring. As far as I know eg.ob is right. All fourth and fifth gen axles are inter-changeable. I've heard even third gens will work, but I'm not sure if its true or not.

Yeah eg.ob that was a real dumb move. Don't let yourself get sucked into post-whoring. As far as I know eg.ob is right. All fourth and fifth gen axles are inter-changeable. I've heard even third gens will work, but I'm not sure if its true or not.

I have already answered this :P

6th Gen axles will work. For the most part, just remember to stick with the same series engine and you will be fine. There are a few exceptions on the engines, but not many.

Thanks for reinforcing the information tho viper, it's good to have the same info from more than one person.

*Wonders when Tony is going to go off on a tangent and steal my thread like we always used to do... * :P

I never thread jack!!

BTW, have I told you about my crazy front suspension idea for my 1g?

:rofl: :rofl:

Rofl... go figure.. he even makes it COMPLETELY OT! lol (I guess it's not completely OT... since axles are connected to hubs, which are considered part of the suspension in the front... ) *just gave Tony an excuse for thread jacking and going OT*

So what was the idea?.... I ended up swapping parts of a '88 CR-X rear suspension to my '85... never fully finished that one tho... helped someone else that finished theirs... then sold the car before I could get pics to write up the FAQ/Walkthrough on it.

I had just thought of that before I read your reply. Truthfully, it is somewhat on topic since post 88 axles won't fit a pre 88 normally. This is just a crazy idea in my head right now, until I get out of NTI and have the knowledge to do it correctly.

Some people try and think of ways to replace the whole front suspension and opt for the post 88 double wishbone setup. Which requires a lot of work: Custom sub frame, reinforcement of the strut towers, custom mount points for everything,etc.....I'm a fan of the torsion bar setup, c'mon from the factory you get good adjustments out of it, but I also like the double wishbone suspension because of its camber curve under compression. So this is my idea: Swapping out Spindles, reinforcing the strut tower and adding an adjustable mount for the upper control arm, and add a fork to the shock to bolt to the lower control arm. Biggest issue so far is the lower ball joint, because the 1g has the ball joint pointing up, while the later ones are pointing down. So at most right now, I might have to have custom radius arms, possibly a custom fork, but I'm pretty sure a 4g fork will work(5g won't, the hole for the shock is too big).

Crazy idea to just pop in your head all of a sudden, but I like it. Not far fetch for me because I was planning on doing a bunch of crazy things to the car after I get out of NTI(Nascar Technical Institute if anyone is wondering). :)

I saw an eg last night with a cantilevered rear suspension, using two gsxr shocks mounted inboard in the trunk..was sick

I'm planning on re-doing the rear end of the CRX also, just don't know how.

Now we are thread jacking :P:runaround:

I had to get the party started lol.

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f88/joshcivic/Rear%20Suspension/hatch4.gif

That's pretty sweet... but not for me... the '89 rear suspension, that's a fairly straight forward swap, from what I saw of it, other than what I did.

Just slight welding and the complete rear suspension setup is all that's necessary... the struts bolt in the same places using the same holes. Not sure about the RTA's tho... they might need fab too, but that's easily fixable with traction bars.

Tony, the idea sounds good, but might need some tweaking to pass in real world cars... nothing to say you shouldn't at least try it tho... sounds like it might be good.

Try seeing if the LCA on the front won't just bolt in place of the old one, and use the spindle/hub assy from the '89 w/ the upper control arm and strut... front struts will bolt in the same places also, I've used '88 mounts on my '85 several times.

LCA won't swap over, because if you remember, the lower control arm on the 1g doesn't contain the ball joint, it only connects the torsion bar to the radius arm.

I'm not too sure if it would work in a real world car, but that isn't what I was thinking when I thought of it. By the time I get done with the car it will most likely be a tube frame. Currently I'm not wanting Struts on the front, just the shock and torsion bar. I could replace the shock with a strut, but it would be too stiff because I'm wanting to keep the torsion bar setup, otherwise its just the same as swapping over the complete 4g suspension, I'm wanting to mix the 2.

Well, you might be able to fab a mount after reinforcing the shock tower so that you could mount the UCA.. after that, you could probably make something work between the 88 LCA and the 85 LCA's designs, but I can't remember what the '85's look like...

Consequently, I have a complete '85 front suspension sitting in my dad's front door-yard.. but you'd have to pick it up if you wanted it lol.. I'm not shipping that beast.

It's even got the front crossmember thingy that the torsion bar tubes are bolted to (note the use of technical terminology here... :rofl:)

http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/auto/jsp/mws/catimgs/13SB20_B29.gif
#3 is the Lower control arm. #9 is the radius arm.

no way to mix the 2 different types.

When I do the strut tower, I'm planning on removing the stock strut tower completely and replacing it all with tubing, so attachments for the upper control arm and shock are no issues. I will however measure the stock tower and see if it is feasible on a normal car as well. I think its completely possible, some people have doubts of getting the geometry correct on it.

Like I said, on the rear I'm not too sure what I'm gonna do with it yet. I do what independent back there, but truthfully i do hate our trailing arms, so I'm gonna do some searching for something else.

Independent rear with upper and lower A-arms.

You can use the front UCA's and just flip one over, but you'd have to make a mount plate for the hub that used ball joints upper and lower... that would save you the trouble of having the trailing arms.

Frodo, I just found that thread on HT. Interesting setup, really not a bad idea either.

http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2040195&page=1

Too much fab for me... although I've considered cantilever on my next truck since it will be kinda hard to put shocks under it with it only being 2" off the ground... lol

cool pic Frodo! That suspension looks sick.