A new noise....bearing?
Gbuzz71
07-20-2008, 09:48 AM
Ok, I was coming home from a day trip out of town. About a 100 mile trip, it was very hot and humid outside. I was 5 miles from home and it started. I can only describe it as it sounded like the front driver side wheel would periodically stop or slow down enough for it to chirp like I slammed the brakes. I was driving about 45 mph in a straight line.
No service lights on dash came on. I just replaced the front rotors and pads and the drivers side caliper. So I'm thinking it's some kind of bearing. I'm not that mechanically incline, but I can replace the rotor and pads. How difficult is a bearing replacement( if that's the problem)???
It's a Z71 Silverado 2003 with 36K on it.
I'd appreciate any thoughts.
No service lights on dash came on. I just replaced the front rotors and pads and the drivers side caliper. So I'm thinking it's some kind of bearing. I'm not that mechanically incline, but I can replace the rotor and pads. How difficult is a bearing replacement( if that's the problem)???
It's a Z71 Silverado 2003 with 36K on it.
I'd appreciate any thoughts.
MT-2500
07-20-2008, 10:13 AM
Foot on or off brakes?
Can you feel the brake or wheel pull when it does it.
Recheck pads and caliper sliders.
Feel for wheel looseness and feel and listen for noise in the wheel
Is wheel running hot?
Bearing is not hard to replace when rotor and pads off.
Can you feel the brake or wheel pull when it does it.
Recheck pads and caliper sliders.
Feel for wheel looseness and feel and listen for noise in the wheel
Is wheel running hot?
Bearing is not hard to replace when rotor and pads off.
Gbuzz71
07-20-2008, 10:19 AM
Foot on or off brakes?
Can you feel the brake or wheel pull when it does it.
Recheck pads and caliper sliders.
Feel for wheel looseness and feel and listen for noise in the wheel
Is wheel running hot?
Bearing is not hard to replace when rotor and pads off.
My foot was off the brakes when the noise was happening. Where would I check the wheel for running hot? Is the caliper slider the bolt that goes through the caliper?
Can you feel the brake or wheel pull when it does it.
Recheck pads and caliper sliders.
Feel for wheel looseness and feel and listen for noise in the wheel
Is wheel running hot?
Bearing is not hard to replace when rotor and pads off.
My foot was off the brakes when the noise was happening. Where would I check the wheel for running hot? Is the caliper slider the bolt that goes through the caliper?
silicon212
07-20-2008, 02:14 PM
My foot was off the brakes when the noise was happening. Where would I check the wheel for running hot? Is the caliper slider the bolt that goes through the caliper?
If the wheel is running hot, you will know by touching it after a long drive. It will be hot! This is an indication of a dragging pad.
Does the vehicle pull to one side or the other when it makes the noise?
If the wheel is running hot, you will know by touching it after a long drive. It will be hot! This is an indication of a dragging pad.
Does the vehicle pull to one side or the other when it makes the noise?
ukrkoz
07-20-2008, 08:37 PM
1. it is common sense to re-check on the last repair done, just in case.
2. it is hard to judge from the description, but i do not think it's a hub bearing. is it a 4x4? if yes, then it does not have front spindle bearing, but has a hub bearing, and it needs to be replaced as assembly. it is a LARGE bearing. vertical play in the wheel points towards it going bad, and silvies do this anywhere around 60K miles to start with. as did mine.
i am leaning more towards either bent or loose splash shield or something else "left behind" after last job done.
i re-read your post. binding caliper? that will give periodically stop or slow down enough for it to chirp like I slammed the brakes symptoms. definitely recheck the job.
2. it is hard to judge from the description, but i do not think it's a hub bearing. is it a 4x4? if yes, then it does not have front spindle bearing, but has a hub bearing, and it needs to be replaced as assembly. it is a LARGE bearing. vertical play in the wheel points towards it going bad, and silvies do this anywhere around 60K miles to start with. as did mine.
i am leaning more towards either bent or loose splash shield or something else "left behind" after last job done.
i re-read your post. binding caliper? that will give periodically stop or slow down enough for it to chirp like I slammed the brakes symptoms. definitely recheck the job.
Gbuzz71
07-21-2008, 09:56 AM
1. it is common sense to re-check on the last repair done, just in case.
2. it is hard to judge from the description, but i do not think it's a hub bearing. is it a 4x4? if yes, then it does not have front spindle bearing, but has a hub bearing, and it needs to be replaced as assembly. it is a LARGE bearing. vertical play in the wheel points towards it going bad, and silvies do this anywhere around 60K miles to start with. as did mine.
i am leaning more towards either bent or loose splash shield or something else "left behind" after last job done.
i re-read your post. binding caliper? that will give periodically stop or slow down enough for it to chirp like I slammed the brakes symptoms. definitely recheck the job.
I replaced the pads and rotors about 6 weeks ago. How would I tell if the caliper is binding? Is there a quick fix? And yes it is a 4x4. Thanks for your reply.
2. it is hard to judge from the description, but i do not think it's a hub bearing. is it a 4x4? if yes, then it does not have front spindle bearing, but has a hub bearing, and it needs to be replaced as assembly. it is a LARGE bearing. vertical play in the wheel points towards it going bad, and silvies do this anywhere around 60K miles to start with. as did mine.
i am leaning more towards either bent or loose splash shield or something else "left behind" after last job done.
i re-read your post. binding caliper? that will give periodically stop or slow down enough for it to chirp like I slammed the brakes symptoms. definitely recheck the job.
I replaced the pads and rotors about 6 weeks ago. How would I tell if the caliper is binding? Is there a quick fix? And yes it is a 4x4. Thanks for your reply.
silicon212
07-21-2008, 02:24 PM
I replaced the pads and rotors about 6 weeks ago. How would I tell if the caliper is binding? Is there a quick fix? And yes it is a 4x4. Thanks for your reply.
DOES IT PULL TO ONE SIDE?
DOES IT PULL TO ONE SIDE?
Gbuzz71
07-21-2008, 07:13 PM
DOES IT PULL TO ONE SIDE?
I took my hand off the wheel while it chirped and it didn't pull to one side. The truck kind of has a disturbance that only the driver could feel. It's real subtle like a little shimmy. However....when I depress the brakes firmly the truck does and always has pulled to the left. Before the brake job and after. I've been driving on these new brakes for 6 weeks without a hitch...now all of sudden it's a stuck caliper???? Could this be?
P.S. I love the big red letters.... sorry I didn't respond in a timely manner. Your help is appreciated.
I took my hand off the wheel while it chirped and it didn't pull to one side. The truck kind of has a disturbance that only the driver could feel. It's real subtle like a little shimmy. However....when I depress the brakes firmly the truck does and always has pulled to the left. Before the brake job and after. I've been driving on these new brakes for 6 weeks without a hitch...now all of sudden it's a stuck caliper???? Could this be?
P.S. I love the big red letters.... sorry I didn't respond in a timely manner. Your help is appreciated.
silicon212
07-21-2008, 10:29 PM
Sorry, I had asked the question earlier and felt like I wasn't getting anywhere! No offense intended.
If it has a pull, then there might be a problem with a caliper or even a warped rotor. When you did the brakes, did you simply scuff the rotors, or did you have them surfaced or replaced? It actually sounds like a warped rotor to me.
If it has a pull, then there might be a problem with a caliper or even a warped rotor. When you did the brakes, did you simply scuff the rotors, or did you have them surfaced or replaced? It actually sounds like a warped rotor to me.
j cAT
07-21-2008, 10:48 PM
I replaced the pads and rotors about 6 weeks ago. How would I tell if the caliper is binding? Is there a quick fix? And yes it is a 4x4. Thanks for your reply.
if you needed rotors and brake pads on the front after 36,ooomi either your vehicle does not really have this mileage or you have bad calipers...when the brakes where replaced did the pads look the same with the same wear .......if not the pads that where badly worn that side needs troubleshooting so as to determine the cause...my 2000 sil 4x4 went 92,ooomi on pads same rotors today 115,ooomi.....somethings wrong with brakes...you still may have bearing problem but because the ABS is not acting up probably not......
the use of after market cheap pads are not recommended....oem type last longer and do not damage the rotors with severe grooving......
if you needed rotors and brake pads on the front after 36,ooomi either your vehicle does not really have this mileage or you have bad calipers...when the brakes where replaced did the pads look the same with the same wear .......if not the pads that where badly worn that side needs troubleshooting so as to determine the cause...my 2000 sil 4x4 went 92,ooomi on pads same rotors today 115,ooomi.....somethings wrong with brakes...you still may have bearing problem but because the ABS is not acting up probably not......
the use of after market cheap pads are not recommended....oem type last longer and do not damage the rotors with severe grooving......
Gbuzz71
07-22-2008, 05:58 AM
Sorry, I had asked the question earlier and felt like I wasn't getting anywhere! No offense intended.
If it has a pull, then there might be a problem with a caliper or even a warped rotor. When you did the brakes, did you simply scuff the rotors, or did you have them surfaced or replaced? It actually sounds like a warped rotor to me.
I put brand new rotors on the front. The original rotors were all chewed up and rusted. It took me and hour and 15 minutes of hammering to get them off And I put a new caliper on the driver's side. The inside pad was worn all the way down while the other wasn't bad at all. So I assumed it was a bad caliper.
On short trips, less than 10 miles, it doesn't make the noise.
Once again your insight is appreciated.
If it has a pull, then there might be a problem with a caliper or even a warped rotor. When you did the brakes, did you simply scuff the rotors, or did you have them surfaced or replaced? It actually sounds like a warped rotor to me.
I put brand new rotors on the front. The original rotors were all chewed up and rusted. It took me and hour and 15 minutes of hammering to get them off And I put a new caliper on the driver's side. The inside pad was worn all the way down while the other wasn't bad at all. So I assumed it was a bad caliper.
On short trips, less than 10 miles, it doesn't make the noise.
Once again your insight is appreciated.
j cAT
07-22-2008, 09:58 AM
I put brand new rotors on the front. The original rotors were all chewed up and rusted. It took me and hour and 15 minutes of hammering to get them off And I put a new caliper on the driver's side. The inside pad was worn all the way down while the other wasn't bad at all. So I assumed it was a bad caliper.
On short trips, less than 10 miles, it doesn't make the noise.
Once again your insight is appreciated.
the info appears to show caliper/brake fluid as the cause....bad caliper pins,a rusted caliper piston, contaminated fluid.....I would re bleed the brake calipers by opening the bleed screw and then push cal piston fully back so as to dump all the brake fluid in the caliper until the fluid is clear....do one cal at a time and do not allow brake res to go empty.....
cal pins must slide easy if too tight sand, file or replace....
brake pads must also move with ease if not file pad backing metal to accomplish this ........
On short trips, less than 10 miles, it doesn't make the noise.
Once again your insight is appreciated.
the info appears to show caliper/brake fluid as the cause....bad caliper pins,a rusted caliper piston, contaminated fluid.....I would re bleed the brake calipers by opening the bleed screw and then push cal piston fully back so as to dump all the brake fluid in the caliper until the fluid is clear....do one cal at a time and do not allow brake res to go empty.....
cal pins must slide easy if too tight sand, file or replace....
brake pads must also move with ease if not file pad backing metal to accomplish this ........
silicon212
07-22-2008, 01:04 PM
I put brand new rotors on the front. The original rotors were all chewed up and rusted. It took me and hour and 15 minutes of hammering to get them off And I put a new caliper on the driver's side. The inside pad was worn all the way down while the other wasn't bad at all. So I assumed it was a bad caliper.
On short trips, less than 10 miles, it doesn't make the noise.
Once again your insight is appreciated.
Now, let me ask you another question. Did you thoroughly clean the new rotors before you installed them? They are shipped with an oily type coating to prevent rust and corrosion during storage. Sometimes, this isn't oily and is actually rather varnish-like. It MUST be cleaned off before you install the rotor, or it will lead to an overheated brake system and warped rotor. It will grab the pads and emulate a bad caliper.
j cAT - I tend to get 20k to 30k on a set of brakes. Do I use bad or low-quality components? Absolutely not. It has to do with the way I drive and not the quality of the brakes. Sure, Grandma might get 50k or better out of the factory brakes, but someone who is hard on them might not get 20k. Don't automatically assume that because he had to change his at 36k that his calipers are sticking. That, in and of itself, is rare and if both are actually 'sticking', that would tell me something more along the lines of a faulty combo valve.
On short trips, less than 10 miles, it doesn't make the noise.
Once again your insight is appreciated.
Now, let me ask you another question. Did you thoroughly clean the new rotors before you installed them? They are shipped with an oily type coating to prevent rust and corrosion during storage. Sometimes, this isn't oily and is actually rather varnish-like. It MUST be cleaned off before you install the rotor, or it will lead to an overheated brake system and warped rotor. It will grab the pads and emulate a bad caliper.
j cAT - I tend to get 20k to 30k on a set of brakes. Do I use bad or low-quality components? Absolutely not. It has to do with the way I drive and not the quality of the brakes. Sure, Grandma might get 50k or better out of the factory brakes, but someone who is hard on them might not get 20k. Don't automatically assume that because he had to change his at 36k that his calipers are sticking. That, in and of itself, is rare and if both are actually 'sticking', that would tell me something more along the lines of a faulty combo valve.
Gbuzz71
07-23-2008, 05:57 AM
Now, let me ask you another question. Did you thoroughly clean the new rotors before you installed them? They are shipped with an oily type coating to prevent rust and corrosion during storage. Sometimes, this isn't oily and is actually rather varnish-like. It MUST be cleaned off before you install the rotor, or it will lead to an overheated brake system and warped rotor. It will grab the pads and emulate a bad caliper.
j cAT - I tend to get 20k to 30k on a set of brakes. Do I use bad or low-quality components? Absolutely not. It has to do with the way I drive and not the quality of the brakes. Sure, Grandma might get 50k or better out of the factory brakes, but someone who is hard on them might not get 20k. Don't automatically assume that because he had to change his at 36k that his calipers are sticking. That, in and of itself, is rare and if both are actually 'sticking', that would tell me something more along the lines of a faulty combo valve.
I did not clean the rotors before installation. Is it too late?
j cAT - I tend to get 20k to 30k on a set of brakes. Do I use bad or low-quality components? Absolutely not. It has to do with the way I drive and not the quality of the brakes. Sure, Grandma might get 50k or better out of the factory brakes, but someone who is hard on them might not get 20k. Don't automatically assume that because he had to change his at 36k that his calipers are sticking. That, in and of itself, is rare and if both are actually 'sticking', that would tell me something more along the lines of a faulty combo valve.
I did not clean the rotors before installation. Is it too late?
silicon212
07-23-2008, 05:46 PM
I did not clean the rotors before installation. Is it too late?
Unfortunately, yes. You're looking at having them surfaced, and new pads (again).
Unfortunately, yes. You're looking at having them surfaced, and new pads (again).
Gbuzz71
08-18-2008, 07:58 PM
Sorry, I had asked the question earlier and felt like I wasn't getting anywhere! No offense intended.
If it has a pull, then there might be a problem with a caliper or even a warped rotor. When you did the brakes, did you simply scuff the rotors, or did you have them surfaced or replaced? It actually sounds like a warped rotor to me.
I checked the caliper, pads and rotors all looked fine. Lubed everything up, burped the brake fluid and it still was making the noise. Finally broke down and took it to the dealer. LF hub bearing failure. $510. Hope to get it back from "API" my extended warranty company, but they filed for bankruptcy last year and they're still in the courts. thanks for your advice.
If it has a pull, then there might be a problem with a caliper or even a warped rotor. When you did the brakes, did you simply scuff the rotors, or did you have them surfaced or replaced? It actually sounds like a warped rotor to me.
I checked the caliper, pads and rotors all looked fine. Lubed everything up, burped the brake fluid and it still was making the noise. Finally broke down and took it to the dealer. LF hub bearing failure. $510. Hope to get it back from "API" my extended warranty company, but they filed for bankruptcy last year and they're still in the courts. thanks for your advice.
Gbuzz71
08-18-2008, 08:02 PM
Took it to the dealer after checking the brakes and stuff. Left front hub bearing failure. $510 Thanks for your comments.
j cAT
08-18-2008, 09:31 PM
Took it to the dealer after checking the brakes and stuff. Left front hub bearing failure. $510 Thanks for your comments.
just because the dealer says thats the problem I won't give them any payment unless you test drive it first....too many have heard that story before...
did they put it in writing 510.00 is the total cost for this fix......make sure they do in your hand before they start working on it...and make sure your gas cap is locked...
just because the dealer says thats the problem I won't give them any payment unless you test drive it first....too many have heard that story before...
did they put it in writing 510.00 is the total cost for this fix......make sure they do in your hand before they start working on it...and make sure your gas cap is locked...
Gbuzz71
08-21-2008, 09:41 PM
just because the dealer says thats the problem I won't give them any payment unless you test drive it first....too many have heard that story before...
did they put it in writing 510.00 is the total cost for this fix......make sure they do in your hand before they start working on it...and make sure your gas cap is locked...
I did get to drive it for a day before payment. It's all good now. But I think that I have a problem with the intermediate steering shaft knocking around AGAIN.
Did I read that there is a recall on this?
I did check my fuel level before dropping it off, it was the same when I picked it up.
did they put it in writing 510.00 is the total cost for this fix......make sure they do in your hand before they start working on it...and make sure your gas cap is locked...
I did get to drive it for a day before payment. It's all good now. But I think that I have a problem with the intermediate steering shaft knocking around AGAIN.
Did I read that there is a recall on this?
I did check my fuel level before dropping it off, it was the same when I picked it up.
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