Originally delivered to...?

F1:

001 - UK
002 - Brunei
003 - UK
004 - Brunei
005 - Brunei
006 - Japan
007 - Middle East - technically it stayed in the UK
008 - Brunei
009 - Australia
010 - Germany
011 - UK
012 - Japan
013 - Japan
014 - Brunei
015 - UK or Germany?
016 - Japan
017 - UK
018 - Japan
020 - UK
021 - Singapore
022 - Germany
023 - Japan
024 - UK
025 - UK
028 - UK
029 - Japan
031 - Japan
033 - Germany
036 - Switzerland
037 - Germany
038 - Germany
039 - UK
040 - Germany
042 - USA
043 - Japan
044 - UK
045 - Germany
046 - UK
047 - Germany
048 - Switzerland
049 - New Zealand
050 - UK
051 - Germany
052 - Canada
053 - Japan
055 - Germany
057 -
059 - UK
060 - Japan
061 - UK
062 - USA
063 - Japan
064 - Sweden
065 - Singapore
066 - Germany
067 - Germany
068 - UK
069 - UK
070 - Japan
071 - Germany
072 - Germany
073 -
074 - USA
075 - Switzerland

Chassis No's. 019, 026, 027, 030, 032, 034, 035 and 041 have never been
allocated to any standard McLaren F1!

Chassis No's. 054, 056 and 058 were used on the 3 ever built F1 GT's!

F1 LM:

LM1 - Brunei
LM2 - Japan
LM3 - UK
LM4 - Brunei
LM5 - Brunei

F1 GT:

54F1GT - Brunei
58F1GT - Japan

GTR-95:

01R - UK
02R - UK
03R - UK
04R - UK
05R - France
06R - UK
07R - France
08R - UK
09R - Brunei

GTR-96:

10R - UK
11R - France
12R - UK
13R - Japan
14R - Japan
15R - UK
16R - Italy
17R - Italy
18R - Italy

GTR-97:

19R - UK
20R - UK
21R - Germany
22R - UK
23R - Germany
24R - Germany
25R - UK
26R - Germany
27R - UK
28R - UK

XP:

All the 7 XP's were factory cars!
(XP1, XP2, XP3, XP4, XP5, XP1LM and 56XPGT)

production sequence / original colour:

1992 (1 car built)
XP1 - Unpainted

1993 (5 cars built)
XP2 - Unpainted
XP3 - Magnesium Silver
XP4 - International Grey Metallic
XP5 - Silverstone Green Metallic
002 - Dorchester Grey

1994 (24 cars built)
003 - Carbon
001 - Magnesium Silver
004 - Grand Prix Red
005 - Jet Black
006 - Magnesium Silver
007 - Jet Black/10% Flake
009 - Magnesium Silver
008 - Cobalt Blue
010 - Magnesium Silver
011 - Carbon
012 - Dark Silver
013 - Magnesium Silver
014 - Titanium Yellow
015 - Jet Black/10% Flake
017 - Calypso Red Pearl
018 - Midnight Blue Pearl
020 - Mid Blue Pearl
016 - Aubergine
021 - Blood Red Solid
022 - Genesis Dark Blue
024 - Carbon
023 - British Racing Green
025 - Dark Purple Pearl
029 - Creighton Brown

1995 (26 cars built)
01R - Silver & Orange
02R - Dark Blue & Silver
03R - Red & White
04R - Dark Blue & Silver
033 - Base Silver
031 - Special White
037 - Special Silver
05R - Black & Orange
06R - Yellow & Dark Green
07R - Blue & Dark Silver
028 - Grand Prix Red
036 - Pale Blue Metallic
08R - Dark Blue & Silver
038 - Base Silver
039 - Brazilian Brown Metallic
09R - Black & Grey
042 - Base Silver
040 - Magnesium Silver
053 - White
043 - Black Metallic
044 - Base Silver
045 - Dark Silver
046 - Genesis Blue Metallic
10R - Red
050 - Magnesium Silver
XP1LM - Historic Orange

1996 (21 cars built)
047 - Magnesium Silver
051 - Dark Metallic Green
049 - Mercedes Brilliant Silver
11R - White
12R - Blue & Orange
13R - Dayglo Pink & Dark Grey
14R - Dayglo Pink & Dark Grey
15R - Blue & Orange
16R - RM White
17R - RM White
18R - RM White
LM1 - Black/Graphics
LM2 - Historic Orange
LM3 - Historic Orange
048 - Brilliant Metallic Blue
LM4 - Black/Graphics
LM5 - Historic Orange
052 - Dark Blue Mica
055 - Magnesium Silver
060 - Yellow
19R - Black

1997 (23 cars built)
21R - White
23R - White
22R - Pale Blue & Metallic Brown
20R - Pale Blue & Metallic Brown
25R - Pale Blue & Metallic Brown
24R - White
27R - Yellow
26R - White
28R - Pale Blue & Metallic Brown
56XPGT - Silverstone Green Metallic
057 - Magnesium Silver
061 - Dark Burgundy
064 - Magnesium Silver
063 - Magnesium Silver
065 - Magnesium Silver
062 - Magnesium Silver
066 - Magnesium Silver
070 - Mercedes Brilliant Silver
54F1GT - Black/10% Flake
58F1GT - Dark Burgundy
074 - Magnesium Silver
068 - Mercedes Brilliant Silver
067 - Magnesium Silver

1998 (6 cars built)
059 - Magnesium Silver
069 - Mercedes Brilliant Silver
071 - Historic Orange
072 - Jet Black
073 - AMG Green Velvet
075 - Yquem

A spare chassis was also made in '98.

Overall there are 106 McLaren F1 of all kind plus 1 spare chassis and 1 full
scale mock-up!

status:

following known cars have been written-off so far:

XP1 - crashed while testing in Namibia
XP2 - the crash test car
004 - crashed in Brunei
010 - crashed by Pischetsrieder
017 - crashed by Dawes
033 - no evidence that this chassis was ever rebuilt

:cool:

Well it's early, but here's my initial crack at it:

#007 was actually delivered to an Arab owner before ending up in the UK later on. Not sure which Arab country that was.

#015 was Germany from what I was told - it didn't come to the USA till 1999/2000

#023 may have been Japan - I will have to do some digging to prove that

#033 should be Germany I believe

#036 could be any number of places given the original owner (including the UK), but I while it was serviced there, I don't think Germany is correct

#044 had UK reg P354 JXP when it arrived in the USA in 1997 - not sure if that proves it went originally to the UK, but certainly not USA

#045 was in Germany before coming to the USA, again not sure of originality prior to that

#062 probably had a prior owner somewhere else - I don't think anyone but Lauren was the original owner of those Ameritech cars

#064 may not be correct - I think Sweden was just the first place it was identified

#067 was possibly a German car first as well

#072 might have been USA - don't quote me on that though.


That's it for now. Hope I didn't overlook something totally obvious.

Cool list man! :thumbsup:

>8^)
ER

#033 - Germany ;)

#051 - Germany and I think #016 also

#051 - Germany and I think #016 also

Are you sure on #051 - I thought it was only sold for that swedish guy via KS Autohandel in Germany?

On #016 - I'm not quite sure, but didn't you say yourself that it was originally delivered to Japan and was soon after sold to Germany...?
Or did I get something wrong / mixed up infos...?

BTW:
What else did you know about #036 & #075 - you saw both cars at Schaefer, right?

Well it's early, but here's my initial crack at it:

#007 was actually delivered to an Arab owner before ending up in the UK later on. Not sure which Arab country that was.

#015 was Germany from what I was told - it didn't come to the USA till 1999/2000

#023 may have been Japan - I will have to do some digging to prove that

#033 should be Germany I believe

#036 could be any number of places given the original owner (including the UK), but I while it was serviced there, I don't think Germany is correct

#044 had UK reg P354 JXP when it arrived in the USA in 1997 - not sure if that proves it went originally to the UK, but certainly not USA

#045 was in Germany before coming to the USA, again not sure of originality prior to that

#062 probably had a prior owner somewhere else - I don't think anyone but Lauren was the original owner of those Ameritech cars

#064 may not be correct - I think Sweden was just the first place it was identified

#067 was possibly a German car first as well

#072 might have been USA - don't quote me on that though.


That's it for now. Hope I didn't overlook something totally obvious.

Cool list man! :thumbsup:

>8^)
ER

OK, thanks for the addition!

It seems I got something wrong, I always thought that the 7 Ameritech McLarens were especially built for the USA...?

BTW:
I read here, in a thread I can't find anymore, that #073 was originally a german car...

How about #028, wasn't it originally a part of the japanese fleet?

:)

No on the Ameritech cars. Most were built during 1995 or 1996 and the cars were not imported to the USA until sometime the following year.

You may be right about #073. I don't recall at the moment.

You also might be correct about #028 as some of the earliest photos we have do show it there, but it was also in a display with chassis #036 at the Coys Festival at Silverstone in 1995. The earliest shots of it in Japan that I recall finding were taken in 1999. Bit of a gap there.

>8^)
ER

No on the Ameritech cars. Most were built during 1995 or 1996 and the cars were not imported to the USA until sometime the following year.

You may be right about #073. I don't recall at the moment.

You also might be correct about #028 as some of the earliest photos we have do show it there, but it was also in a display with chassis #036 at the Coys Festival at Silverstone in 1995. The earliest shots of it in Japan that I recall finding were taken in 1999. Bit of a gap there.

>8^)
ER

I read somewhere that McLaren especially brought #028 and #036 to the coys festival to put them on display.
If you look at the timeline it is no coincidence that it were those two cars!
#028 was built as 29th car and #036 as 30th car...
I think that both cars came fresh from the factory and haven't been delivered to their original owners yet back then.

Is there a possibility that #068 was originally an UK car?
I remember a photo of that car in a book with a UK style license plate...

:)

#044 had UK reg P354 JXP when it arrived in the USA in 1997 - not sure if that proves it went originally to the UK, but certainly not USA>8^)
ER
Hi Erik

Have you got any pics of #044 wearing that plate?

Greg

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj65/tifosichris/Cars/ff-mclaren-engine-600.jpg
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj65/tifosichris/Cars/ff-mclaren-front-600.jpg
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj65/tifosichris/Cars/ff-mclaren-int-600.jpg
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj65/tifosichris/Cars/ff-mclaren-rear-600.jpg

Is there a possibility that #068 was originally an UK car?
I remember a photo of that car in a book with a UK style license plate...

068 was definatley originally a UK car. It was origianlly going to be Chris Dawes' car but he crashed (and killed himself and 2 others) in 017 before he took delivery

:cheers: MM :)

Are you sure on #051 - I thought it was only sold for that swedish guy via KS Autohandel in Germany?

On #016 - I'm not quite sure, but didn't you say yourself that it was originally delivered to Japan and was soon after sold to Germany...?
Or did I get something wrong / mixed up infos...?

BTW:
What else did you know about #036 & #075 - you saw both cars at Schaefer, right?

Concerning #051 I am absolutely sure - it ran almost in my neighborhood :wink:

That statement about #016 isn't from me :disappoin

I don't know where #036 and #075 went first - in 2004 they had Switzerland plates


Roger

OK - thanks @ all! :)

I added the proven infos to post #1.
If I have some time today, I'll search for the infos on #016 and #073 which I've read somewhere here in this forum...

HAHAHA - That was fast...

The statement I refered to concerning #016 can be read here:
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=1440846&postcount=1

Also the 1996 TÜV-Plakette proves that the car was registered for the second time when it came to Germany, if it had been its first time it would have received one for 1997 as a 1994 car!

:)

I was wrong assuming #073 was originally a german car.
Reading the Christies offer from 12/2003 all over again, I recognized the words "one owner"...
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=1313015&postcount=1
The car was purchased as a standard F1 and was later converted after McLaren found a solution for the customers demands...
So #073 was originally a swiss car!

The brothers that owned #011 and #073 were supposedly from a South American country. Perhaps Brazil?

I don't think the brother who had chassis #011 was an original owner though as that car was for sale by Taylor & Crawley at one point. A photo of it there for sale appeared in the 15th April, 1998 issue of Autocar. It was wearing UK reg place M351 HPM at that time. Article stated the car was a 1,000-mile 1994 M-plate road car for £540,000. How nice - a discount... those didn't last long.

A snapshot of an advertisement on the page also mentions the cars as "McLaren F1 - Metallic Black, Grey interior, 1,200 miles, EC tax paid. £540,000. At the time T&C also had #06R listed at £500,000 and #16R listed at £450,000.

>8^)
ER

What are you trying to say?
That #011 wasn't a UK car originally, or that #073 wasn't a swiss one originally...

I don't think it was Brazil. When i get home i'll let you know what country it was. It was some obscure one

Maybe Venezuela...?

What are you trying to say?
That #011 wasn't a UK car originally, or that #073 wasn't a swiss one originally...

On the first point, I would say that #011 was possibly a UK car originally. I really was trying to contrast the fact that while #073 had a single owner, chassis #011 had at least two, it would be safe to assume.

Yes on the second point - while it may have worn Swiss registration, the owner was from Venezuela as you suggested:

The F1 pictured here was first delivered in 1998 to one of two brothers from Venezuela who both owned McLaren F1s (the other was S/N 011) and kept their cars at the factory in England. S/N 073 features the 691“hp LM-spec engine and performance package.

Taken from:

http://www.ferraris-online.com/pages/article.php?reqart=SCM_200408_ECP

Now, do you mark that one VZ on your list? I dunno - I probably would. :)

>8^)
ER

Nope, as I don't think that this car was ever in Venezuela!
Same goes for the plate which should have been a swiss one from the very beginning when it was first road registered...
It's not uncommon for rich foreigners to live in Switzerland due to very low taxes!

I would rather tend to mark it as a UK car, as it was kept at the Mclaren factory the first time.
But then again, I really can't imagine that it had a UK registration nor that it was driven in its early stages...

My theory on that one is, based on some articles and the Christies offer, that it was purchased and stored for the time being at Mclaren while they were working on the solutions for the customers demands. After the refit, the car came to Switzerland and was road registered for the first time!
Like I said, that's just my point of view...

:)

I would agree - the cars probably never went "home". But to keep the story straight, perhaps it deserves some mention where the info is available, as in this case?

>8^)
ER

Yep, absolutely ;)

I think that #073 isn't just an awesome F1 but also very special in terms of owner-car-relation!

I mean, how many other F1's were/are out there where its owner is from country A, lives in country B and it was originally kept in country C...?

:)

Just in case someone wonders about the GTR’s, I added them in the original post. ;)

XP4 was New Zealand when McLaren were done with it

001 might have gone to Switzerland new

023 was Japan

hmm... I always thought that #001 was McLarens own car.
At least Tiff Needel said so in a vid I remember...

No McLaren was delivered new to the US. All the Ameritech cars were delivered to Germany as McLarens, imported illegally/improperly into the US (see previous post with DOT memo) IMHO through Ameritech. When Pacific Insurance asked DOT about the double VIN's; that Petrik was insuring his car as a McLaren, not an Ameritech, the memo was issued. EPA in Ann Arbor, MI,. when asked to clarify what all seven cars were - Ameritech, JK Technologies, or McLarens - stated in a letter that the cars were issued EPA certificates as McLarens. The certificates were issued to JK because Fritz was not an ICI. Fritz/Ameritech listed all the AMeritech versions as 1995 to avoid OBDII. Leno's came in as the 8th under the JK certificates, listed as a 1995 but is a 1994. There are several other F1s that were EPA"d under the JK certificates DOT acknowledged that Fritz/Ameritech was not a RI, and JK did the certificates, sent the cars to Ann Arbor (only two cars went). Pretty confusing, eh? But as a LAs Vegas owner of an illegal 1996 Ferrari F50 told me, "$110,000.00 will buy you legality."(it did for him)

No McLaren was delivered new to the US. All the Ameritech cars were delivered to Germany as McLarens, imported illegally/improperly into the US (see previous post with DOT memo) IMHO through Ameritech. When Pacific Insurance asked DOT about the double VIN's; that Petrik was insuring his car as a McLaren, not an Ameritech, the memo was issued. EPA in Ann Arbor, MI,. when asked to clarify what all seven cars were - Ameritech, JK Technologies, or McLarens - stated in a letter that the cars were issued EPA certificates as McLarens. The certificates were issued to JK because Fritz was not an ICI. Fritz/Ameritech listed all the AMeritech versions as 1995 to avoid OBDII. Leno's came in as the 8th under the JK certificates, listed as a 1995 but is a 1994. There are several other F1s that were EPA"d under the JK certificates DOT acknowledged that Fritz/Ameritech was not a RI, and JK did the certificates, sent the cars to Ann Arbor (only two cars went). Pretty confusing, eh? But as a LAs Vegas owner of an illegal 1996 Ferrari F50 told me, "$110,000.00 will buy you legality."(it did for him)

While the cars may have traveled through other countries and some certainly had different owners before arriving in the USA, it is my understanding that Ralph was the original owner of #074. Maybe not #055 - I don't know the story there - but that was what I heard about chassis #074. Maybe it didn't land in the USA right off the production line, but it must have been timed very closely based on when the car was built and when the Ameritech F1s began to arrive here in the USA.

Also, I need to correct something I said earlier, as the story we were told was that Mr Beal was indeed the original owner of #042 and that he acquired that car after seeing it in the Park Lane showroom in London.

Here's an old post I found on the forum from an associate of his confirming most of that information:

YES THE CAR WAS BUILT IN 1995 AND SET ON SHOWROOM FLOOR AT MCLAREN, YES 80TO 90 THOUSAND. YES CARTY BEAL IS THE FIRST OWNER.AND YES CHASSIS #042.

The 80 to 90 thousand was in reference to the cost to repair the broken transmission shaft from McLaren. :eek:

>8^)
ER

No McLaren was delivered new to the US. All the Ameritech cars were delivered to Germany as McLarens, imported illegally/improperly into the US (see previous post with DOT memo) IMHO through Ameritech. When Pacific Insurance asked DOT about the double VIN's; that Petrik was insuring his car as a McLaren, not an Ameritech, the memo was issued. EPA in Ann Arbor, MI,. when asked to clarify what all seven cars were - Ameritech, JK Technologies, or McLarens - stated in a letter that the cars were issued EPA certificates as McLarens. The certificates were issued to JK because Fritz was not an ICI. Fritz/Ameritech listed all the AMeritech versions as 1995 to avoid OBDII. Leno's came in as the 8th under the JK certificates, listed as a 1995 but is a 1994. There are several other F1s that were EPA"d under the JK certificates DOT acknowledged that Fritz/Ameritech was not a RI, and JK did the certificates, sent the cars to Ann Arbor (only two cars went). Pretty confusing, eh? But as a LAs Vegas owner of an illegal 1996 Ferrari F50 told me, "$110,000.00 will buy you legality."(it did for him)

Thanks for this interesting little story :thumbsup:
If I get you right, all the 7 Ameritech F1's were originally delivered to Germany - right? Do you know by chance if they had an actual owner there or were they just “parked” in Germany at some exotic car dealer waiting for there delivery to the US?

On the other hand I’m a bit confused now as #042 was an Ameritech F1 as well and it should have been bought new from the Park Lane Showroom...

As you said no F1 was originally delivered to the US, what about #072?

:)
Bjoern

Btw: Just in case someone hasn’t noticed yet, I edited/updated my original post. I think it is now better arranged and represented more clearly. It is also much shorter due to some scroll- bar-fields. It furthermore should now provide more information for someone totally new to this topic!

As you said no F1 was originally delivered to the US, what about #072?

Through another source I have learned that #072 didn't come to the USA until June of 2000, so I'd say no.

>8^)
ER

OK - I marked the 7 Ameritech F1's as german ones and removed the entry for #072. Furthermore I added the GTR's to the production sequence list. (thanks to Greg :thumbsup:)

Why would you make that change with #042 and #074? :confused:

The cars may not have all gone straight from the McLaren factory directly to the USA due to however the Amerispec paperwork had to be handled, but all of the info I have seen on those two cars puts their first owners as Americans. If gerd can prove differently on those two cars that is one thing, but I don't think he he is going to be able to do that and his generalization that they "all came from Germany", doesn't mean they all had German owners when and if they went there to aid in the process of importation to the USA. He certainly has shown he has a unique understanding relating to these cars over the years, but it is safe to say he has an agenda when he posts here and it's not the same one that many of the rest of us have.

Also, the fact that #044 arrived here wearing a UK registration plate seems to imply a lack of a German connection with that car as well.

>8^)
ER

Well - due to his educated background knowledge, I thought it would be safe to assume so. Furthermore he said clearly that all the Ameritech F1's were 'delivered to Germany'...
Anyway I reinstalled the original entries for #042, #044 and #074 as I think it doesn't hurt and makes sense.

:)

He was an outsider to the Amerispec process - clearly shown by his contempt for the cars even being here. I would never discount everything he says, as he clearly has (or had) some good sources, but the facts and first hand knowledge speak differently sometimes.

Chassis #045 was certainly in Germany at one point, as it was seen for sale at Auto Salon Singen many years back. Now, was it originally owned by a German - perhaps? I have no details on where #055, #062 and #067 started out life, but Germany is fine until proven otherwise.

>8^)
ER

No offense BRX880, but you haven't been here long enough to know gerd and realize that you have to take what he says with a grain of salt and read between the lines. His info is sometimes misleading (on purpose or by accident) and he has clearly shown that he disproves of the importation process. He has gone after at least 1 friend of mine who brought a car in that was (according to gerd), imported illegally

I'm not offended at all. I just try to complete the list and therefore thought it might be useful to rely on infos which might come from an educated background...

Some updates for you to include in the original post:

004 - Brunei
006 - Japan
007 - Middle East
021 - Singapore
046 - UK <-- Ray Bellm
050 - UK <-- Ron Dennis

>8^)
ER

Some updates for you to include in the original post:

004 - Brunei
006 - Japan
007 - Middle East
021 - Singapore
046 - UK <-- Ray Bellm
050 - UK <-- Ron Dennis

>8^)
ER
Thanks for that one!
Based on latest infos, 049 should be a New Zealand car, right?

That leaves 028, 052, 057, 064, 066, 072 and 073.
I personally think, that 028 went to Japan originally...

:)

Yes on #049. :)

>8^)
ER

According to the Gooding & Co auction description for #062, Larry Ellison was its original owner so that one should now be updated to 'USA'.

>8^)
ER

A snapshot of an advertisement on the page also mentions the cars as "McLaren F1 - Metallic Black, Grey interior, 1,200 miles, EC tax paid. £540,000. At the time T&C also had #06R listed at £500,000 and #16R listed at £450,000.

>8^)

ER

Look at those prices! :cwm27: Had to read twice... :iceslolan
Anyway, this superb Thread has saved me Months of work when trying to sort out these F1's what ever I am looking for, that table of all these cars. Thank You.!