Iraqi troops attempt to surrender

:confused: <--- thats the look that was on their faces.

Not surprising. Same as in the Gulf War will be in this one. They do not want to fight it. Maybe saddam isn't such a good person after all if they are not willing to fight for him. I hope we don't make the same mistake like in the last war when we return all the POWs. Though I think our hands are tied on that issue.

I don't think anyone has actually ever suggested in this forum that Saddam Hussein is any where near being a 'good person'.Hwever,just about everybody on the pro-war side of the debate has asserted that if we are anti-war,then we must be pro-Saddam.This of course is a blinkered and ignorant line of thought,a simple slogan of the type much favoured by spin doctors and military brass.Keep it nice and simple,the G.I.'S need to believe that what they are doing is honest,good, and just.Well sorry guys,it fails on all three counts.Bush wants control of Iraq, Saddam is an easy target,so forget any notion of proof,just keep repeating the line that he's a security risk to the U.S.and people will eventually believe it.


It's sickening to see such a lying creep in such a position of responsibility. Hopefully one day the U.S.military will one day realise that they are putting their lives on the line for nothing more than George Bush's second term.The biggest risk to the safety and well-being of American citizens is George W. Bush.

First off, I never said you were pro-saddam or even hinted at anything of the sort. All I ever said was that I disagree with your stance on things.

Second, a war does NOT guarantee re-election. Bush Sr. had a victory with Panama. No real biggie though. But with the victory of the Gulf War, it pulled the nation out of its "Vietnam mentality". People feared our troops would be brought home in body bags by the droves. Didn't happen. We got the victory, and the troops came home as heroes instead of that disgrace the Vietnam vets came home to.

Still, Bush Sr. never saw a second term. Instead, we get billary for two whole terms. I again say that clinton did and actually implemented the same tactic in Desert Fox. He didn't go to the UN, there was never the heated debate we see now. Before we knew it, the bombs were dropping. But nobody complained, even though it was an obvious ploy to divert attention from his trail. Bush might be an idiot but he went through diplomatic channels to ensure what is best for the nation. Doing the right thing does not mean making everyone satisfied.

As far as this war goes, we will see what happens won't we? Me, I believe that the US generally does the right thing. Call me a mindless military drone, I don't give a fuck. I have enjoyed freedom all my life and I'm going to do my duty to ensure it will be there for the next generation and the next and next until the Man upstairs says its time to end it all. If that offends some people as it clearly does, well, that's not my problem. That's all I'm going to say about it.

I like the saying that all it takes for evil to truimph is for good people to do nothing. But let me guess, I'm going to get this thrown back in my face with some "the US military needs to realize....." stuff. Sorry but again, I believe that we have a great country. If the President steps out of bounds he will be put on trail like the President before him. The US military doesn't need to do anything on the line of treason or insurrections, whatever.

Originally posted by taranaki
It's sickening to see such a lying creep in such a position of responsibility. Hopefully one day the U.S.military will one day realise that they are putting their lives on the line for nothing more than George Bush's second term.The biggest risk to the safety and well-being of American citizens is George W. Bush.

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I know!!! I heard that this morning!!! The best part was how the Brits said they shouldn't be urrendering...yet! :lol2:

Originally posted by YogsVR4


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Yees the truth is rather amusing isn't it?:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Jimster


Yees the truth is rather amusing isn't it?:rolleyes:

Last I checked, those were opinions. However I am not surprised that they are being confused for facts. :rolleyes:













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Last I checked, those were opinions. However I am not surprised that they are being confused for facts. :rolleyes:

I'm not at all surprised that simple facts confuse you :hehehe:

Originally posted by taranaki
I don't think anyone has actually ever suggested in this forum that Saddam Hussein is any where near being a 'good person'.Hwever,just about everybody on the pro-war side of the debate has asserted that if we are anti-war,then we must be pro-Saddam. Explain, if you are anti-war that means you want to sit around and wait another 12 years nicly asking Saddam to disarm WHILE HE IS STILL IN POWER, sounds like pro-saddam to me. Anti-saddam means you want him out of power now, not next week, not in a year, right this instant and the only way to do this is through war. Unless you have a better way to get rid of Saddam?

Make no mistake these are facts...

Off topic.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/surrender.jpg

If Saddam is still alive, I wonder how he is taking the fact that his soldiers would rather surrender than fight for him?

Originally posted by taranaki



It's sickening to see such a lying creep in such a position of responsibility. Hopefully one day the U.S.military will one day realise that they are putting their lives on the line for nothing more than George Bush's second term.The biggest risk to the safety and well-being of American citizens is George W. Bush.

What would you know about risks to American citizens. I am an American citizen, and I feel that Bush is one of the pluses in the security of our country. But I guess by American citizens, you meant anti-war supporters. You guys from other countries seem to forget that a lot of us are Americans, and it is our opinions you are talking about.

I think the mistake everyone is making is to believe what is being said and portrayed in the media.

Propaganda machines are working around the clock and around the world. You only see and hear what someone decides you should see and hear.

The only people who know what is happening in each instance are those at ground zero - and as far as the military and embedded journalists are concerned - their accounts are going to be ...ummmm... filtered.

Read between the lines people.

My best friend is a US marine. He says kill the bastard. So do his Marine friends, stationed in Kuwait. Filtered? That's straight from his and their mouth.

In regards to Darth's post... AMEN!!!

Originally posted by Prelewd
My best friend is a US marine. He says kill the bastard. So do his Marine friends, stationed in Kuwait. Filtered? That's straight from his and their mouth.That may be - but it doesn't actually provide me with any useful facts does it...and I doubt he will be providing the general populace with ground zero accounts of what is happening via the media without being screend for "suitability".

Maybe I should just go on public access television then..