Unchanged F1's ?

BRX880

07-08-2008, 03:48 AM

I wonder how many F1's are out there which are still the way they left the factory...
I'm just asking, because I recognized that there are quite some cars with a new paintjob, interior or a total refit.

To me, the car supposed to be #029 looks pretty much original.

:)

Peloton25

07-08-2008, 04:35 AM

I would agree with that assessment. Of the cars we are familiar with here's my take:

Chassis #003 has an original exterior, but the interior was refitted at least once.

Mr Selldorff's #007 seems original.

Chassis #013 was still original last time it was seen, except for missing red stripes.

I believe that Leno's #015 is mostly original - except the wiper blade of course. :D

Chassis #016 also seems to be original with its Aubergine paint and tan interior.

I would imagine that George Harrison's chassis #025 is still original wherever it may be hiding.

Chassis #028 is still original - barring that one period of its life with the giant wing.

Chassis #031 has some stickers and new antenna, but seems original.

I think it is safe to say that #036 is probably original as well and quite a gem.

We haven't seen #037 in a while, but my guess is that it makes the list too.

Mr Chamber's chassis #044 is another one to add.

I think #045 also makes the list even though it has been through a few different owners.

BMW's #047 is likely original.

If #048 was the blue car seen in Monaco I'd say it is too so long as no one has gotten to it.

Not sure where #051 is at the moment, but the last shots of it in Japan show it to be unchanged as far as I can tell.

#053 was likely the one on that plane headed to the Middle East recently. The text along with the photos said it had received a refit, but I could see nothing different about it.

Chasssis #055 is a likely candidate, except for the doors which may not have been original depending on the version of the story you hear.

If #060 is still sitting in that warehouse in Japan covered in bubble wrap, I'd bet it's about as original as they get.

Atkinson's #061 looks original, but we know that 'story'.

#062 was formerly Larry Ellison's - not sure where it is today, but likely unchanged.

#063 is another one that is probably still unmolested though it has been bouncing around lately. Hopefully the red floormats are gone for good.

#064 is also MIA as of late, but probably original.

#065 is not only original, it's been aged like a fine wine.

#067 reportedly has a new owner and while the previous one had a big shunt at one point, I'd guess that fitment is original there too.

#068 is unchanged from original fitment based on what I know of it.

#071 is probably the wildest original F1 there ever was and it even has its original owner too - bonus points there.

I can't recall if we decided that #072 was built with the HDF Kit, but if so it may be elligible. Hasn't been seen in a while though.

#074 has the same story with the doors as #055. Anyone have Ralph's number so we can ask?

#075 should be one F1 that is always kept in its original state. I think someone would be foolish to refit that one.

That's it for road cars from my perspective. Some of the cars that are not listed, we simply know nothing about. Others were most certainly refitted at some point. In fact, it would have almost been easier to list those I think.

>8^)
ER

BRX880

07-08-2008, 04:59 AM

Thanks for listing up all those cars!

I think we can add the Ueno-Clinic styled F1 from Japan to it (#043?).
It looks as though the car hasn't been touched seriously ever since it left the factory...

I also asume that the Brunei bunch is still as delivered.

:)

Peloton25

07-08-2008, 05:16 AM

Very good points - not sure how I forgot about that Ueno car. Wish we could see more of it sometime too. :)

If that brown one that was spotted in Mexico is really #039 it may be original too, though I would hope McLaren had nothing to do with the wheels. :eek:

Hopefully the Brunei collection is still original - I do of course wonder what sort of condition that might actually be in those cases. :uhoh:

>8^)
ER

hurstg01

07-08-2008, 09:17 AM

If it is #039, then that is how it was delivered, with those god-awful wheels

Erik, that's quite a list! :thumbsup:

PS dont forget those LM's being original, as well as the black one Archangel found the picture of :)

roger_ph

07-08-2008, 09:48 AM

This picture shows #016 like she came to her first owner in Germany:

http://img128.imagevenue.com/loc1134/th_28188_P1000891a_122_1134lo.JPG (http://img128.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=28188_P1000891a_122_1134lo.JPG)

It seems like everything is still the same today...

BRX880

07-08-2008, 10:04 AM

Wow!!

Thanks Roger, any more pics of my 2nd favorite standard F1?

:)

BRX880

07-08-2008, 10:05 AM

At some point LM2 got the slide windows installed...
I think it was delivered without them.

Peloton25

07-08-2008, 10:18 AM

At some point LM2 got the slide windows installed...
I think it was delivered without them.

According to the TMS guys, the LMs come with both sets of windows and can be swapped as desired.

>8^)
ER

roger_ph

07-09-2008, 01:30 AM

hurstg01

07-09-2008, 01:59 AM

Great pics again Roger :thumbsup:

Peloton25

07-09-2008, 02:07 AM

Correction on one item:

I can't recall if we decided that #072 was built with the HDF Kit, but if so it may be elligible. Hasn't been seen in a while though.

Looking back from an old set of factory photos, it appears that these images below show chassis #072 in build in 1998 with a normal nose and tail. That would mean that it was not originally built with the HDF Kit.

http://www.carmovies.net/gallery/albums/mclaren/ramp_front.thumb.jpg (http://www.carmovies.net/gallery/albums/mclaren/ramp_front.jpg) http://www.carmovies.net/gallery/albums/mclaren/rear_q.thumb.jpg (http://www.carmovies.net/gallery/albums/mclaren/rear_q.jpg)

In fact now that I have ruled that one out again (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=4547577&postcount=44) I will just repeat that not a single F1 road car that I am aware of was originally fitted with the HDF kit, so any you see would almost certainly have to be a refit. Maybe I will even remember this for next time. :icon16:

Here's a link to the complete set of those factory photos for anyone who may have missed it the first time around:

http://www.carmovies.net/gallery/mclaren

= = = = = =

Roger - excellent additions with your original images of #016. :cool:

>8^)
ER

BRX880

07-09-2008, 03:24 AM

Le Man

07-10-2008, 03:17 AM

http://img244.imagevenue.com/loc487/th_84342_3_122_487lo.JPG (http://img244.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=84342_3_122_487lo.JPG) ( watch at the autograph !!! )

Enjoy

Roger

PS. Which one is your favourite?

Very nice Roger,:smile:

When did you meet Gordon?

roger_ph

07-10-2008, 03:26 AM

Very nice Roger,:smile:

When did you meet Gordon?

... Goodwood FOS 2005

BRX880

07-18-2008, 03:42 AM

What about #001?
I can't imagine that the present owner changed it as it most likely has the same historic value as #075...

Though, maybe there were some changes when the car was still owned by the factory...?

BRX880

07-18-2008, 04:33 AM

Just to sum up - a quick overview of the known F1's which still should be as they left the factory.

F1:
#001, #002, #005, #007, #008, #012, #013, #015, #016, #025, #028, #029, #031, #036, #037, #039, #043, #044, #045, #047, #048, #051, #053, #055, #060, #061, #062, #063, #064, #065, #067, #068, #070, #071, #074 and #075

F1 LM:
XP1LM, LM1, LM2, LM3, LM4 and LM5

F1 GT:
54F1GT

That’s quite a list!
36/64 F1's are supposed to be still as they left the factory.
(Btw: I overlooked things like rims, windshield-banners, stickers and stripes, as they can be easily added and removed and are not part of the original paintjob nor interior fitting!)
That’s more ore than 50% - and there are even cars left with unknown whereabout (#004, #006, #010, #021, #049, #050, #052, #057 and #066)...

Furthermore all 6 ever produced LM’s are still unchanged and at least the Brunei GT can be considered original!

F1 - 36/64
LM - 5/5
GT - 1/2
XP - 1/7

Btw: Pics of the cars mentioned above can be found in the fleet-threads!

:)

Paulthagerous

07-22-2010, 01:57 AM

Thought I would bring this old thread up. Pretty sure #049 is the same as the day it left the factory, recent pic from behind showed original colouyr, no wing etc, and being 1 owner probably lowers likelyhood of it being altered.

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