Hell, and eternam damnation is one helluva party.

You know, I love the history of religion, and the idea of Hell got me thinking.

I bet it's one big party, with kegs, and beer, and pie, and Heavy Metal, and I bet Satan is a really nice guy.

Think about it.

You sin against "God" and denounce "Jesus" and what-ever, and you do all these bad things like steal, murder, rape etc, and you are sent to hell.

Why would Satan PUNISH you for doing the same thing he's tryin to do?

He HATES God! He's at total war with the guy, and if you're good you are sent to heaven, right? Or so the stories say? Well, if you go to hell you have obviously done something bad, I think that if you do something bad, and Hell does exist (pushing aside common sense and security with known physics), Satan will greet you with some beer can say "man, you are so cool, helping me out and shit, here! Here's a Heineken!"

Hell is one cool place, with pool tables, and spa's, and sauna's and bars that you don't get kicked out of!

Oh, and all the hot bitches you can ever want.

Whereas in Heaven, you can't swear, have bad thoughts, have sex, you can't do SHIT with out pissing of God and Jesus!

Good thing I denounced religion, therefore I have sinned, and cast my self into eternal party mode!

Oh, you also don't get tired in hell as well and don't have to sleep, but you can, which is awesome.

If God existed, you would go to Heaven when you're evil, so he can punish you him self. Not put you with the party king. Throwing all the evil guys in hell, where Satan can recruit his "army of undead" as the myth goes (but people honestly believe this is legitimate shit here), why would God GIVE Lucifer men for his army? That's like the Allies GIVING Hitler men for his Nazi Campaign...against the Allies?

Well. What ever your views are, I still stand by the evidence that Hell is awesome.

you got it wrong.

Satan works for God.
That's why you get punished.
That's why that despite God being all powerful, he lets him exist AND have his own kingdom to rule over.

He's just doing his job and not getting any credit for it I might add. In fact, he gets lots of bad press because of it.
I think we should have a "Thank You Satan" day.

I think the premise that the "good" go to heaven is flawed. I think the price of entry is believing Jesus died to save your soul - but I'm sure some of the Christian board members will jump on this bandwagon. Other than that,

/walks quietly out of thread.

I think the premise that the "good" go to heaven is flawed. I think the price of entry is believing Jesus died to save your soul - but I'm sure some of the Christian board members will jump on this bandwagon. Other than that,

/walks quietly out of thread.

PS -Davo, if you have such strong thoughts about organised religion now, I highly recommend never trying LSD if you get the chance - if will almost certainly get very messy for you very quickly. :cwm27:

Thanks a lot Davo, I spit on the keyboard while reading that...:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I do have a question....

Oh, you also don't get tired in hell as well and don't have to sleep, but you can, which is awesome.

Then where does the phrase "tired as hell" come from? :naughty:

You mean "Tired IN hell"? I am sure I said :p

Oz, a friend of mine took LSD about two months back, I wasn't interested but I did get into a 1 hour conversation about the universe and black holes and shit, then when he was "coming down" he clutched to the arm chair for about 5 hours, refused to move, he thought he was literally "coming down" like, falling and holding on to the chair was going to save him.

lol?

Just to answer your question on "Why would Satan punish you for doing his work?"....................well Satan is not referred to as the king of lies for no reason. He doesn't have your best interest in mind I can assure you that. But you are entitled to your opinion. However if I am wrong I will go through this life as a Christian, loving my neighbors, good person, loving God, etc. and then die. I see no harm in that. Now if you are wrong, and this heaven/hell/God/satan spiel is correct according to the Bilble then I would say the consequences are indescribable and I urge you to reconsider your position.

60 years of "pleasing the flesh" in this life if you will can't be worth an eternity in hell as the Bible describes it. So pick your truth if you will. Only one truth is win-win no matter what the truth (Be a Christian and go to heaven).

First things (and most importantly) first, you are incorrect on what hell is going to be like. The Bible states that hell is a place of damnation per your subject line. You are not going to see anyone at all in hell. It is eternal seperation from God and man.

Kudos to Johnson response. Excellent point. I am a believe in Jesus Christ. I choose to live for him knowing that his sacrifice will save me from my sin. BUT, where do you stand? As Johnson said, you can go through your life and your assumption will be either correct (which it's not...but you are delusional about at this time) and not.

What if your're wrong ?!

Remember you're the one who pointed out the phrase "eternal damnation" on your subject line...to risky to be unsure about.

Be a Christian and go to heaven.

You're all wrong.
Lifes aim is to achieve ultimate enlightenment and reach paradise.

It isn't as simple as believing in something to get into heaven.
It requires more work than that.

You're all wrong.

All?
.... "You have it all wrong" ??
... "All of the posters in here are wrong" ??

:confused:
.....You have it right???

Life is like a credit card, pay for it later!

:grinyes:

[quote=drunken monkey]You're all wrong.
Lifes aim is to achieve ultimate enlightenment and reach paradise.

It isn't as simple as believing in something to get into heaven.
It requires more work than that.[/quote

It requires more work than that? Really?

The Bible doesn't say that as shown below from Ephesians 2:8-9 (notice the underlined portion):
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

If salvation (or going to heaven) were based on works than what is the benchmark to achieve that? Well, it's been established...a PERFECT life, just as Jesus lived. Since we are all sinners we are going to hell.]

All?
.... "You have it all wrong" ??
... "All of the posters in here are wrong" ??

:confused:
.....You have it right???

Life is like a credit card, pay for it later!

:grinyes:


Like a credit card? Pay it later? I'm afraid you are going to be very surprised with the interest rate & terms

[quote=drunken monkey]You're all wrong.
Lifes aim is to achieve ultimate enlightenment and reach paradise.

It isn't as simple as believing in something to get into heaven.
It requires more work than that.[/quote

It requires more work than that? Really?

The Bible doesn't say that as shown below from Ephesians 2:8-9 (notice the underlined portion):
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

If salvation (or going to heaven) were based on works than what is the benchmark to achieve that? Well, it's been established...a PERFECT life, just as Jesus lived. Since we are all sinners we are going to hell.]

Your rigt joe8918.....not a single one of use is worthy of heaven, God, or a relationship with him. I am sure am glad he is a merciful and loving God and gives me an opportunity though!

It isn't as simple as believing in something to get into heaven.
It requires more work than that.Exactly...

You have to buy your ticket. :biggrin:

http://reserveaspotinheaven.com/

So do you believe that all the great jewish leaders in the old testament (noah, david, solomon, moses, etc) are going to hell? Yes Jesus hadn't been born yet but if thats the one qualification then I guess someone should have sent them a memo.

Gandhi just has no excuse, he knew all about Jesus...

So do you believe that all the great jewish leaders in the old testament (noah, david, solomon, moses, etc) are going to hell? Yes Jesus hadn't been born yet but if thats the one qualification then I guess someone should have sent them a memo.

Gandhi just has no excuse, he knew all about Jesus...


Good point.

The Prophets are already promised Heaven before there death. As of myself according to my belief, Allah (swt) or God in english already promised the believers Heaven as long as we worship God alone and associate no partners with him. Just believing in Jesus (as) alone doesn't make any sense. Which leads to my next post...

You're all wrong.
Lifes aim is to achieve ultimate enlightenment and reach paradise.

It isn't as simple as believing in something to get into heaven.
It requires more work than that.

I agree with that 100%. It makes much better sense than just believing someone "died" on the cross for your sins. You have to work at it to be good and to be obedient right? Just like whatever we do in our daily lives. At your job you work hard just to get a promotion, at school you work hard just to graduate and end up with a dream career. You basically trying to work hard to reward yourself. So the ultimate goal is the afterlife and let God reward those who are good and obedient and especially those who are patient.



By the way, Shaytan or Satan is the master of deceivers.

what I mean is, doesn't it actually mean more that a person is good without the burden of a religion telling you to be good?

On that tangent of satan.
How does Islam view him?

I've read a few books on the character of satan and the thing that strikes me, as I've pointed out elsewhere, is that ultimately, he too is a servant of God in that it is his duty to deceive. There is also some confusion as to the whether or not Satan is the same as Lucifer as according to so,me traditions, satan is not an angel where as Lucifer was. Then somewhere along the lines and with some cross referencing of similarities in mythologies, he can also be equated to Azazel/Azrael and also Samael.

If we imagine God to be an all powerful being and that his archangels are just as mighty in their embodiments, why is not possible that in the same instance, Satan is the beast that Gabriel (or was another of the archangels; Michael?) slays as well as being the God's angel of death/deception/temptation?

One more thing; would I be right is saying that the serpent in the garden of eden was not satan seeing as the serpent was stated as being "just" another of gods creatures?
i.e not an angel or a spririt.

what I mean is, doesn't it actually mean more that a person is good without the burden of a religion telling you to be good?


When you're a kid, who's the ones who teaches u whats right and whats wrong? Who was responsible for them to steer you in in the right direction? Do you see my point?




On that tangent of satan.
How does Islam view him?




He's made of smoke and fire. He's more of a Jinn and definitely not an angel.



If we imagine God to be an all powerful being and that his archangels are just as mighty in their embodiments, why is not possible that in the same instance, Satan is the beast that Gabriel (or was another of the archangels; Michael?) slays as well as being the God's angel of death/deception/temptation?



Because Europeans loves fairy tales so much, they create stories in the Bible to make it more interesting. :biggrin: Both had there part to do and there's no reason why an angel would have to battle it out with the evil forces. Gabriel (as) had his responsibilites and thats to deliver the message to the chosen ones. Satan's responsibilities is to lead ppl on to thinking that whats bad is good and whats good is bad.

So do you believe that all the great jewish leaders in the old testament (noah, david, solomon, moses, etc) are going to hell? .


they're all party animals, moses led the biggest, longest party in history

noah had a crankin rave party with all his fury hommies and Davo had the cash for the drugs

God has the peace to worry about he dun want that party crap in heaven so Satan is letting us party free of charge aaalll night.

they're all party animals, moses led the biggest, longest party in history

noah had a crankin rave party with all his fury hommies and Davo had the cash for the drugs

God has the peace to worry about he dun want that party crap in heaven so Satan is letting us party free of charge aaalll night.

haha, I was actually waiting on the opinions of the super christian guys

He's made of smoke and fire. He's more of a Jinn and definitely not an angel.

So you would say he is not the same as the Lucifer who wouldn't bow down to Adam as per the Persian(?) story? Or is that they are the same and that Lucifer wasn't an angel?

How does Azazel fit into it then?

So you would say he is not the same as the Lucifer who wouldn't bow down to Adam as per the Persian(?) story? Or is that they are the same and that Lucifer wasn't an angel?

How does Azazel fit into it then?

No. Totally different. The story never existed in Islam to the best of my knowledge. Adam is a human being. Our father of mankind. Satan is a Jinn. There's believing Jinns and the disbelieving Jinns which are demons or Satan.



About Azazel, does not fit into Islamic history. It's more of Jewish/Christian tale.

You can also read a little bit more of Satan's doings here by Sheikh Yusef Estes (very funny guy by the way)

http://www.islamtomorrow.com/articles/shaytan.htm