McLaren GTR #019R For sale at Symbolic motors.

Le Man

05-30-2008, 06:31 AM

19R Is now up for sale at Symbolic motors,

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/3372/img5498fb9.th.jpg (http://img266.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img5498fb9.jpg) http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/7539/p1000134ql7.th.jpg (http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1000134ql7.jpg)

More images and info later.

Le Man

05-30-2008, 08:00 AM

Info.
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May 2008) 1997 McLaren F1GTR "Long-Tail" s/n 19R - Offered at 1.85M

This is chassis No. 19R, one of just 28 McLaren GTR race cars ever built and one of just 10 Factory built "Long-Tails." (For comparison, McLaren built a total of 72 road-going versions of their legendary F1!)

This car was actively raced from 1997 though to 2001 scoring no less than four podium finishes and on one occasion a 1st overall! The BMW MotorSports V-12 engine produces 650bhp and is coupled to a 6-speed sequential gear-box.

This race car tips the scales at just 915kgs / 2,013lbs! Thats more than 150kgs and nearly 300lbs lighter than the earlier "short-tail" McLaren F1GTRs! An extremely comprehensive spares package accompanies this car which is offered for just $1.85M or approximately £930K - 1.175M Euros at today's exchange rates.

Warm regards,

Bill Noon / Symbolic Motor Car Company - 7440 La Jolla Blvd., La Jolla, CA 92037, USA

eMail: [email protected]

Website: http://www.symbolicmotors.com/inventory-classic.html (http://www.symbolicmotors.com/inventory-classic.html)

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I will post all the pics and info that Bill has very kindly sent me later.

EDIT.

Please only contact Bill Noon for serious enquires and trust me that Greg and I will post everything that Bill has supplied so far. Best not to inundate him with the same repeat requests. As he may not be so forthcoming with any further requests of McLaren F1 info in the future. Thankyou.

hurstg01

05-30-2008, 08:59 AM

:thumbsup:

I have mail too on this - including the spares package that comes with the car - I'll pop it on here later

Peloton25

05-30-2008, 09:26 AM

Well I don't have an email from Bill :( (;)), but I did get an invitation from a friend at Symbolic to come down and see the car which I hope to do next week. I just need to make the final arrangements on scheduling. I hope it works out - I am excited to see this car. I haven't seen a longtail GTR since 1997 and at that time I wasn't such the McLaren fanatic that I am today.

>8^)
ER

ArchangelGTR

05-30-2008, 11:19 AM

Oh joy. I'm looking forward to Erik's photos of 19R. I trust that you will be photographically disecting this car now that you are a McLaren fanatic?

I'm subscribed.

hurstg01

05-30-2008, 11:35 AM

Spares with the car -

http://img238.imagevenue.com/loc522/th_61203_List_122_522lo.JPG (http://img238.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=61203_List_122_522lo.JPG) http://img219.imagevenue.com/loc35/th_61207_List_0001_122_35lo.JPG (http://img219.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=61207_List_0001_122_35lo.JPG) http://img244.imagevenue.com/loc590/th_61217_List_0002_122_590lo.JPG (http://img244.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=61217_List_0002_122_590lo.JPG)
http://img204.imagevenue.com/loc94/th_61225_List_0003_122_94lo.JPG (http://img204.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=61225_List_0003_122_94lo.JPG) http://img12.imagevenue.com/loc1198/th_61228_List_0004_122_1198lo.JPG (http://img12.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=61228_List_0004_122_1198lo.JPG) http://img163.imagevenue.com/loc816/th_61246_List_0005_122_816lo.JPG (http://img163.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=61246_List_0005_122_816lo.JPG)

PS - what do people think of the price $1.85m / £930,000 ?

hurstg01

05-30-2008, 12:35 PM

Apparently #19R was bought by Symbolic in 2004 and hasn't been on a track since then

:shakehead

Hopefully the new owner may at least show it some tarmac

Peloton25

05-30-2008, 01:16 PM

That's not a true statement - we have photos of it on track more than once since coming to the USA.

>8^)
ER

hurstg01

05-30-2008, 01:31 PM

Perhaps he meant on a track in a race...? I think I have some pics of it on a track, he even mailed me some pics of it on one....:screwy:

Peloton25

05-30-2008, 02:06 PM

Yeah - I don't believe it has been "run in anger" during this time period, but it has definitely been out on track at least twice that I can recall.

>8^)
ER

Le Man

05-30-2008, 02:25 PM

Peloton25

06-06-2008, 03:34 AM

I guess this is as good a place as any to stick this picture - one I have never seen before of the original Presentation livery worn by GTR #19R:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20E/f1_gtr_gt1_1997.jpg

>8^)
ER

ArchangelGTR

06-06-2008, 02:20 PM

Then I guess this article would be appropriate?
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm249/archangelgtr/McLaren/97gtr-001.jpg http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm249/archangelgtr/McLaren/97gtr-002.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm249/archangelgtr/McLaren/97gtr-003.jpg http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm249/archangelgtr/McLaren/97gtr-004.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm249/archangelgtr/McLaren/97gtr-005.jpg http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm249/archangelgtr/McLaren/97gtr-006.jpg

carbuilder2002

06-06-2008, 02:55 PM

Re pricing,

This car is a good £100K more than I was offered 11R for if that is any help.
When I was last talking to Paul L he still maintained GTR'r were not as valued as road ars with road converted GTR's half way between the two.

basman007

06-07-2008, 07:47 AM

Some more

http://img178.imagevenue.com/loc155/th_39204_q_122_155lo.jpg (http://img178.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=39204_q_122_155lo.jpg)http://img211.imagevenue.com/loc124/th_39212_w_122_124lo.jpg (http://img211.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=39212_w_122_124lo.jpg)http://img220.imagevenue.com/loc569/th_39214_e_122_569lo.jpg (http://img220.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=39214_e_122_569lo.jpg)http://img188.imagevenue.com/loc352/th_39215_r_122_352lo.jpg (http://img188.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=39215_r_122_352lo.jpg)
http://img231.imagevenue.com/loc232/th_39220_t_122_232lo.jpg (http://img231.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=39220_t_122_232lo.jpg)http://img14.imagevenue.com/loc1159/th_39221_y_122_1159lo.jpg (http://img14.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=39221_y_122_1159lo.jpg)http://img185.imagevenue.com/loc571/th_39226_u_122_571lo.jpg (http://img185.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=39226_u_122_571lo.jpg)

PatrickShim

06-07-2008, 12:24 PM

I have seen the car three times in the past.

The first time was years ago, when Symbolic brought the car to California Speedway for a historic race event. They ran the car on the track and it sounded amazing. I believe there are some pictures of Patrick Van Shoote driving the car on the track out there (Symbolic had them on their website as well).

The second time was '03 Monterey Week at the RM Auctions.

http://www.patrickshim.com\Pictures\PShim_Personal\Pebble-RMAuction-McLarenF1GTR.jpg

The third time was '06, when Symbolic had an open-house event at their service and restoration facility.

http://www.patrickshim.com\Pictures\PShim_Personal\Symbol ic06-PICT0007.jpg
http://www.patrickshim.com\Pictures\PShim_Personal\Symbol ic06-PICT0078.jpg

The car seems much bigger than the road-version F1.

hurstg01

08-16-2008, 03:57 PM

It seems #19R was at Monterey this year too
http://img19.imagevenue.com/loc683/th_15847_Lamborghini_Reventon_108_122_683lo.jpg (http://img19.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=15847_Lamborghini_Reventon_108_122_6 83lo.jpg)

hurstg01

08-17-2008, 01:55 PM

http://img210.imagevenue.com/loc393/th_95027_quail08_16_122_393lo.jpg (http://img210.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=95027_quail08_16_122_393lo.jpg) http://img207.imagevenue.com/loc413/th_95028_quail08_17_122_413lo.jpg (http://img207.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=95028_quail08_17_122_413lo.jpg) http://img237.imagevenue.com/loc356/th_95042_quail08_29_122_356lo.jpg (http://img237.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=95042_quail08_29_122_356lo.jpg)

guyturner

12-22-2008, 05:51 AM

19R is now showing as sold on the Symbolic motors web site.

Sami Aaltonen

12-22-2008, 06:39 AM

19R is now showing as sold on the Symbolic motors web site.

What is the cars next home, is there any news about it? :uhoh:

hurstg01

12-22-2008, 09:33 AM

Symbolic have said it had sold within the past 3 weeks!.......

hurstg01

12-22-2008, 03:33 PM

PS - *update* - It was sold to a UK based client last week! :)

Sami Aaltonen

12-23-2008, 01:12 AM

PS - *update* - It was sold to a UK based client last week! :)

Ok! Stays on the UK. Great.!

hurstg01

02-10-2009, 04:47 PM

Mpowered

02-10-2009, 08:08 PM

:evillol: Let's face it. That is just one EEEE-vil :devil: looking machine. It's the red and black. I'm not much on longtails, but it looks like it could hurt you. I'm going to have to get really start :chair: my wife. She's supposed to get me one and she keeps letting them slip through her fingers. :disappoin Thanks for all the photos and the update.

F1FREAKZILLA

02-11-2009, 04:56 AM

what event were those last pics taken at

also anyword on how much it sold for in $USD

Sami Aaltonen

02-11-2009, 05:59 AM

More pics

http://img216.imagevenue.com/loc429/th_02153_2794799867_0c7ba16f93_o_122_429lo.jpg (http://img216.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=02153_2794799867_0c7ba16f93_o_122_42 9lo.jpg)

Okey...what of the next cars doesn't belong the group? :rofl:
Thanks these great shots!
Really hope #19R stays these racing colors also at the future!:smile:

F1GTRUeno

02-11-2009, 02:02 PM

Are the larger rear wing and extra aero add-ons what the car had in 1997, or are they the legacy of it's JGTC days?

Would love to see it with the two shorttail GTR's.

Peloton25

02-11-2009, 06:08 PM

what event were those last pics taken at

They were taken in August 2008 outside the Quail Motorsports Gathering in Monterey, CA. It is one of the other events that goes on during the Pebble Beach weekend.

Are the larger rear wing and extra aero add-ons what the car had in 1997, or are they the legacy of it's JGTC days?

Not sure on the rear wing, but the winglets on the corners of the nose first appeared during its time in the JGTC.

>8^)
ER

Peloton25

02-16-2009, 05:35 PM

WaZzZuPpP

02-16-2009, 05:59 PM

Ah and the TR is there too, nice :)

Sami Aaltonen

02-17-2009, 02:00 AM

Thank you for the pics!!:runaround:

Peloton25

02-17-2009, 02:50 AM

Ah and the TR is there too, nice :)

He sent me more photos of that too, if you'd like to see them?

>8^)
ER

WaZzZuPpP

02-17-2009, 08:37 AM

He sent me more photos of that too, if you'd like to see them?

>8^)
ER
Yes, would be great, thanks.

mini magic

02-17-2009, 09:04 AM

he sent me more photos of that too, if you'd like to see them?

>8^)
er
pleeese

Peloton25

02-17-2009, 11:09 AM

mini magic

02-17-2009, 12:16 PM

Droooooolll

mayerSCF

02-21-2009, 05:05 PM

F1GTRUeno

02-21-2009, 06:19 PM

It never did race in the LARK livery did it.

mini magic

02-21-2009, 07:14 PM

Yes it did

Sami Aaltonen

02-21-2009, 11:43 PM

I saw that car late last year (second time at Symbolic) and to be quite honest, I was a little underwhelmed seeing it again. A decade ago, I thought the longtail was the coolest looking version of the F1, not anymore. Part of the reason the F1 looks so damn good is because of its small size. The longtail just looks ungainly. A big car like the Enzo looks much better to me.

I thought I was going to act like a giddy school girl seeing this Macca, but instead, it was a really big "meh". Standard road car for me; surprisingly much more awe inspiring in the flesh despite being less in-your-face.

Many people which I have chated, think exactly what you told.

For me a quite same thing, the 1995-1996 GTR is the one and only an orginal GTR for me. Simply and clean. Nothing unnecessary.

BUT the Longtail is a huge "show" about how great car that was on the track. Even at very tricky, bumpy and slow Helsinki "city track", the car was vey big there, but extremely fast. Longtail GTR was also very difficult to beat, even that Mercedes had their "first race desinged and then made road car" CLK; and this Longtail still based on the an orginal 1995-1996 GTR or should I say that stannard F1 roadcar, which defenitely did not at the first in the beginng desinged to be a racer. And still this Longtail GTR could beat Mercedes.

Yep, the huge aerodynamic pagace makes it look very incredible, whit those longtail desing and the front end of the car. Huge tail wing also explanes the new aerodynamic desing, but it was have to be done, to gain the Mercedes. And same time McLaren did a motorsport history. :cool:

The Longtal GTR might be not so "clean" looking car but it's one of the greatest racers to me, even that I love the an orinal 95-96 GTR's more than words can describe.
:cool:

hurstg01

02-22-2009, 03:17 AM

F1GTRUeno

02-22-2009, 02:59 PM

Yes it did

When?

I can't find any record of it.

The only Longtail that ever ran the LARK livery was 27R at Le Mans in 97 (or at least everything I've read suggests this).

Peloton25

02-22-2009, 03:50 PM

During the 1997 FIA GT Championship - Suzuka 1000km with drivers Masanori Sekiya, Akihiko Nakaya, and Keiichi Tsuchiya where it finished in 9th place.

This is kind of a crappy image, but here you can see it competing in the event and being chased by GTR #27R which was the only other GTR to wear the LARK livery.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20H/f1_gtr_lark_97_pokka_1000km_final_0.jpg

>8^)
ER

mayerSCF

02-22-2009, 04:10 PM

Which road car have you seen?

I have never liked the 'covers' on the headlights on #19R, they don't look right. The rest is kinda cool in a race car kind of way, but the earlier short tail GTR's are better to my eye.

I don't know the serial numbers like you guys, but a red one was at Symbolic a few years back, I don't remember the exact year. It wasn't in their showroom but at the service center in the Sorrento Valley part of San Diego. I don't remember seeing it listed for sale on their website either. It looked real nice, except for the color. It was a gross shade of red, not a rich Ferrari or BMW Imola Red, and not burgundy either. It was kind of bright in an almost pastel kind of way? Hard to describe the shade. It's been awhile but I think it also had the smaller HID headlights, not the original units.

That's the one and only time I've ever seen the original, real deal car. I missed seeing the dark blue one at the original Crystal Cove meeting spot a few years ago, and that was a big bummer.

F1GTRUeno

02-22-2009, 04:11 PM

Cheers for clearing that up.

So basically the last person that owned it put it back in the LARK livery but left it as it was during JGTC races?

Peloton25

02-22-2009, 04:50 PM

Bill Noon could confirm when (and why) the LARK livery was reapplied to 19R, but I believe it occurred between the time when the car left Japan and when it was sold by Symbolic to its previous owner here in the USA.

mayerSCF - you saw chassis #028. I'm surprised by the criticism of the color. I'm not generally a fan of red personally, but have seen many pics of this car and heard from others who have seen it and I think you might be the only one with that opinion. :dunno:

>8^)
ER

grundski

02-23-2009, 01:55 PM

The description of the color is quite humorous.

It may have faded a bit, but it is quite simply, florescent pink.:iceslolan

mayerSCF

02-23-2009, 07:57 PM

The description of the color is quite humorous.

It may have faded a bit, but it is quite simply, florescent pink.:iceslolan

YES!!! That's exactly what I was thinking. I like the burgundy color on Mr. Bean's car or that GT longtail in Japan, and I love Nick Mason's red GTR, but this color...

I'll stop talking about the color now, still a wonderful car, regardless if it's pink, black, green, or blue.

Peloton25

06-14-2009, 07:32 PM

Spotted at the Los Angeles Intl Airport (LAX) on June 2nd. Perhaps being readied for the trip home to England?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20H/mclaren_f1_a.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20H/mclaren_f1_b.jpg

>8^)
ER

mini magic

06-14-2009, 09:19 PM

Perhaps being readied for the trip home to England?

Yessir

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