OMG....It's getting as bad as F1
freakray
03-06-2003, 07:13 AM
Did anyone read this:
http://rally.racing-live.com/en/headlines/news/detail/030305211855.shtml
To actually attempt to force teams to hire less experienced drivers is ridiculous. All the top drivers are there on merit, if the FIA tries to force the teams to hire lesser drivers, I can imagine some of the lesser top drivers will end up looking for contracts.
Not only that, if the teams have to hire at least one driver who doesn't have a WRC win, what happens once that driver wins an event?
Does the team have to let go of that driver and get another driver without any WRC wins?
How ridiculous is this all becoming?:mad: They are ruining the essence of motorsports!!
Ray
http://rally.racing-live.com/en/headlines/news/detail/030305211855.shtml
To actually attempt to force teams to hire less experienced drivers is ridiculous. All the top drivers are there on merit, if the FIA tries to force the teams to hire lesser drivers, I can imagine some of the lesser top drivers will end up looking for contracts.
Not only that, if the teams have to hire at least one driver who doesn't have a WRC win, what happens once that driver wins an event?
Does the team have to let go of that driver and get another driver without any WRC wins?
How ridiculous is this all becoming?:mad: They are ruining the essence of motorsports!!
Ray
tricky8
03-06-2003, 06:17 PM
I dont know how the FIA works out but its not like for every driver that has never won an event, but it shouldn't be an event it should be the championship of the FIA, they are rather strict rules but i dont even know if the FIA has an championship so i will shut up right now...
freakray
03-06-2003, 08:47 PM
Originally posted by tricky8
I dont know how the FIA works out but its not like for every driver that has never won an event, but it shouldn't be an event it should be the championship of the FIA, they are rather strict rules but i dont even know if the FIA has an championship so i will shut up right now...
Good timing!!
How can you comment on something you don't know about?
The FIA is the governing body if International motorsport, they oversee things like Formula 1 and WRC.
There are drivers championships in every discipline they oversee.
If you read the article I posted a link to, you would have been able to make an informed comment.
From the article:
The FIA Commission would require all the teams who have three drivers to hire a third driver that has never won a World Rally event.
This means that there must be a driver in the team that has not won A race, it says nothing about the WRChampionship title.
I dont know how the FIA works out but its not like for every driver that has never won an event, but it shouldn't be an event it should be the championship of the FIA, they are rather strict rules but i dont even know if the FIA has an championship so i will shut up right now...
Good timing!!
How can you comment on something you don't know about?
The FIA is the governing body if International motorsport, they oversee things like Formula 1 and WRC.
There are drivers championships in every discipline they oversee.
If you read the article I posted a link to, you would have been able to make an informed comment.
From the article:
The FIA Commission would require all the teams who have three drivers to hire a third driver that has never won a World Rally event.
This means that there must be a driver in the team that has not won A race, it says nothing about the WRChampionship title.
Guido
03-07-2003, 12:50 PM
Although I don't agree at all, I don't think that the teams would be too upset by it. If I were team manager at one of the topteams, I'd reduce my team to 2 cars and if the third driver can find enough sponsoring budget to run 2 others cars, together with the fourth driver that is, I'd support them as well. Which means 2 teams but 4 cars.
El Matador brought in enough money to support a third car at Citroën. Afterall they intended to enter only 2 - Seb and Colin, but with Movistar money, Carlos got a complete season as well.
But still this new rule shows how incompetent the guys at FIA are with their over-regulating rulings. :mad:
El Matador brought in enough money to support a third car at Citroën. Afterall they intended to enter only 2 - Seb and Colin, but with Movistar money, Carlos got a complete season as well.
But still this new rule shows how incompetent the guys at FIA are with their over-regulating rulings. :mad:
k_dog
03-10-2003, 07:38 AM
FIA rules are really starting to screw some of the top rally teams.
First of all, who wants an underexperienced rookie when you could have a previous winner that knows what to expect in certain situations. What exactly is the FIA trying to accomplish? Sounds to me like if the FIA gets tired of seeing certain teams win the championship, then they make a new regulation to hinder that teams ability to accomplish anything.
If you ask me, it's a load of crap.:mad:
Brian
First of all, who wants an underexperienced rookie when you could have a previous winner that knows what to expect in certain situations. What exactly is the FIA trying to accomplish? Sounds to me like if the FIA gets tired of seeing certain teams win the championship, then they make a new regulation to hinder that teams ability to accomplish anything.
If you ask me, it's a load of crap.:mad:
Brian
Focus2000
03-18-2003, 07:54 AM
Originally posted by freakray
Did anyone read this:
http://rally.racing-live.com/en/headlines/news/detail/030305211855.shtml
Complete and utter insanity! What on earth is the point of winning if they're just going to keep changing the rules to penalise the top team? In the end they'll just drive away the top names from the sport, and then what will happen to their precious global audience? The FIA seem to have nothing better to do than meddle with things that don't need changing :mad:
It's not like this is the first time in WRC history that one team has had dominancy for 2-3 seasons. Subaru have managed it in the not-too-distant past, as have Audi, Ford ..... If anything, the first two rallies of this season have shown that the title race could be a lot more closely fought. Citroen have certainly rattled Peugeot's cage, and Ford and Subaru aren't too far off the pace.
Still, the FIA have arsed about with Formula 1 for some time, I suppose it was just a matter of time before their attention turned to the WRC.
It just makes me mad :angryfire
Did anyone read this:
http://rally.racing-live.com/en/headlines/news/detail/030305211855.shtml
Complete and utter insanity! What on earth is the point of winning if they're just going to keep changing the rules to penalise the top team? In the end they'll just drive away the top names from the sport, and then what will happen to their precious global audience? The FIA seem to have nothing better to do than meddle with things that don't need changing :mad:
It's not like this is the first time in WRC history that one team has had dominancy for 2-3 seasons. Subaru have managed it in the not-too-distant past, as have Audi, Ford ..... If anything, the first two rallies of this season have shown that the title race could be a lot more closely fought. Citroen have certainly rattled Peugeot's cage, and Ford and Subaru aren't too far off the pace.
Still, the FIA have arsed about with Formula 1 for some time, I suppose it was just a matter of time before their attention turned to the WRC.
It just makes me mad :angryfire
RallyRaider
03-19-2003, 06:50 PM
[Shakes head in disgust]
At the moment it is all just speculation, but the fact that some fool in the FIA is entertaining such ideas is not good.
Shows they don't have much faith in the Super 1600 or Junior WRC doesn't it?
At the moment it is all just speculation, but the fact that some fool in the FIA is entertaining such ideas is not good.
Shows they don't have much faith in the Super 1600 or Junior WRC doesn't it?
freakray
04-25-2003, 08:54 PM
Originally posted by RallyRaider
[Shakes head in disgust]
At the moment it is all just speculation, but the fact that some fool in the FIA is entertaining such ideas is not good.
Shows they don't have much faith in the Super 1600 or Junior WRC doesn't it?
It doesn't look like it is speculation any longer Phil.....what are they trying to do:cry:
http://rally.racing-live.com/en/headlines/news/detail/030425181410.shtml
[Shakes head in disgust]
At the moment it is all just speculation, but the fact that some fool in the FIA is entertaining such ideas is not good.
Shows they don't have much faith in the Super 1600 or Junior WRC doesn't it?
It doesn't look like it is speculation any longer Phil.....what are they trying to do:cry:
http://rally.racing-live.com/en/headlines/news/detail/030425181410.shtml
RallyRaider
04-26-2003, 10:22 AM
Originally posted by freakray
It doesn't look like it is speculation any longer Phil.....what are they trying to do:cry:
http://rally.racing-live.com/en/headlines/news/detail/030425181410.shtml
Sigh...
If stupidity is contagious, the FIA should be quarantined!
In F1 certain drivers get paid enough to feed, clothe and educate a small nation, and the FIA think that is all fine and dandy. But in WRC a driver like Carlos Sainz takes the initiative to negotiate and finance his own drive, at no cost to his team and the powers that be want him out cause he's considered too sucessfull, or just an old fart!
It doesn't look like it is speculation any longer Phil.....what are they trying to do:cry:
http://rally.racing-live.com/en/headlines/news/detail/030425181410.shtml
Sigh...
If stupidity is contagious, the FIA should be quarantined!
In F1 certain drivers get paid enough to feed, clothe and educate a small nation, and the FIA think that is all fine and dandy. But in WRC a driver like Carlos Sainz takes the initiative to negotiate and finance his own drive, at no cost to his team and the powers that be want him out cause he's considered too sucessfull, or just an old fart!
laxmaster7
06-23-2003, 05:09 PM
While that rule probably wouldnt hurt the teams too bad, the principle of it is just sad. The FIA needs to do something to occupy its time besides punishing talent in the name of 'competition'. It's not competition when the playing field isnt level.
z33guy
06-23-2003, 06:03 PM
i have been against this rule since i heard it and i still am. If they bring in a unknown driver and he goes and wins the championship, is he out at the end of the season? or do they release another driver for another unknown?
Tso
06-25-2003, 06:06 AM
it's their silly attempt to "bring the competition closer."
just like limiting the number of tyre options you can have.
well, kinda like that anyways.
i do think they should sod off with that one.
just like limiting the number of tyre options you can have.
well, kinda like that anyways.
i do think they should sod off with that one.
z33guy
06-25-2003, 02:38 PM
looks like sainz and gille will be looking for new rides next year:frown: . I thought the rule called for drivers with no wins. But its for drivers who have not had a top 3 in 3 years.
freakray
06-25-2003, 02:46 PM
Originally posted by z33guy
looks like sainz and gille will be looking for new rides next year:frown: . I thought the rule called for drivers with no wins. But its for drivers who have not had a top 3 in 3 years.
Personally, I think Citroen would be better getting rid of Mcrae rather than Sainz, considering the way Mcrae is driving.
Peugeot are likely letting Burnsie go anyway, so they may keep Gilles in preference over Harri?
There's a lot to speculate and we are a long way from the silly season.
looks like sainz and gille will be looking for new rides next year:frown: . I thought the rule called for drivers with no wins. But its for drivers who have not had a top 3 in 3 years.
Personally, I think Citroen would be better getting rid of Mcrae rather than Sainz, considering the way Mcrae is driving.
Peugeot are likely letting Burnsie go anyway, so they may keep Gilles in preference over Harri?
There's a lot to speculate and we are a long way from the silly season.
z33guy
06-25-2003, 03:46 PM
i was thinking the exact same thing. Saina has been running better and he brings some sponsorship to. Does mcrae, or is it just name he brings?
ales
06-25-2003, 04:31 PM
but this is it. This is getting too much for me. They are ruining my, and if I might say so, outr favourite sports. What have they achieved in F1 with their cust-cutting ideas? Well, we got the 2003 Monaco race with 0 (!) overtaking maneuvres throughout the race and we got Canada 2003 as well. The parc ferme rule doesn't allow the teams to set the car up to be able to have an optimum race AND qualifying, qualifying being a mockery in its own right. Don't worry, I'm getting to the rally topic.
Cost cutting??? Go to hell and die, FIA. And the sooner the better. Non-turbo engines??? Right, it will "only" destroy everything I love about the sport, I love the sound, I love the way the cars drive, it has been like that for all the years that I've followed rally. Call me conservative, but that's something I don't want to be changed?
Control tyres? Sigh. Why? What would that acomplish? Something similar to the 2003 Brazil F1 race? No thanks! The ideas are seriously fucked up.
What about this ridiculous third driver rule? So the FIA want the teams to get rid of a race winner in favour of someone relatively inexperienced and for one reason or another relatively unsuccessful? What I can see is the manufacturers (and sponsors) saying "no thanks, we're not playing this game" and pulling out.
Why does a series that has just become so popular worldwide (thanks to a great effort of Dave Richards, too bad he now spends so much time at that joke of an F1 team). I'm reminded of DTM in the 90-s. The series became so popular that Bernie had to step in and ruin it with the ETC BS. Now rally is successful and popular, and they have to come in and ruin it all for us. Well, newsflash - if it ain't broke ... If it's successful, maybe leave it as it is? Maybe the recipe for success is already in place? Maybe we need a new motorsports governing body (Ray, are you up for setting up one with me? :)) - the FIA for quite a few years now under the wise leadership of Max Mosley has done nothing but gradually blunt the premier motorsport series, first F1, now WRC. I can't really say more, I'm hugely disapointed, and can only hope for the better (knowing that that's not likely for quite a while).
Cost cutting??? Go to hell and die, FIA. And the sooner the better. Non-turbo engines??? Right, it will "only" destroy everything I love about the sport, I love the sound, I love the way the cars drive, it has been like that for all the years that I've followed rally. Call me conservative, but that's something I don't want to be changed?
Control tyres? Sigh. Why? What would that acomplish? Something similar to the 2003 Brazil F1 race? No thanks! The ideas are seriously fucked up.
What about this ridiculous third driver rule? So the FIA want the teams to get rid of a race winner in favour of someone relatively inexperienced and for one reason or another relatively unsuccessful? What I can see is the manufacturers (and sponsors) saying "no thanks, we're not playing this game" and pulling out.
Why does a series that has just become so popular worldwide (thanks to a great effort of Dave Richards, too bad he now spends so much time at that joke of an F1 team). I'm reminded of DTM in the 90-s. The series became so popular that Bernie had to step in and ruin it with the ETC BS. Now rally is successful and popular, and they have to come in and ruin it all for us. Well, newsflash - if it ain't broke ... If it's successful, maybe leave it as it is? Maybe the recipe for success is already in place? Maybe we need a new motorsports governing body (Ray, are you up for setting up one with me? :)) - the FIA for quite a few years now under the wise leadership of Max Mosley has done nothing but gradually blunt the premier motorsport series, first F1, now WRC. I can't really say more, I'm hugely disapointed, and can only hope for the better (knowing that that's not likely for quite a while).
freakray
06-25-2003, 04:57 PM
Seems that they are trying to streamline the WRC with F1....what a load of bull, the last thing you need is a rally car without a turbo!
I don't see the point of them going naturally aspirated anyhow, considering the engines are already governed so it's not like they're producing excessive and dangerous power.
I can just see rally cars with under 200hp coming.....
Service one car at a time? Does this mean they will have longer service periods or does it mean they will have less time to service cars.
4 days? I thought they were trying to make the WRC more compact and TV friendly?
Can somebody help me here, they propose to extend the rally to 4 day events, but are eliminating 42 competitive days so will be able to add more rallies to the WRC?
The way they are proposing to run it will not make it more compact, it will prolong it and make it less spectator friendly.
Alex, I'm in, you can be Max :bloated:
I think we need Mr Curtis too......how about it Mr Curtis, are you with us?
The FIA sports council are a bunch of bumbling morons :thumbsdow :nutkick: :swear:
EDIT: spelling
I don't see the point of them going naturally aspirated anyhow, considering the engines are already governed so it's not like they're producing excessive and dangerous power.
I can just see rally cars with under 200hp coming.....
Service one car at a time? Does this mean they will have longer service periods or does it mean they will have less time to service cars.
4 days? I thought they were trying to make the WRC more compact and TV friendly?
Can somebody help me here, they propose to extend the rally to 4 day events, but are eliminating 42 competitive days so will be able to add more rallies to the WRC?
The way they are proposing to run it will not make it more compact, it will prolong it and make it less spectator friendly.
Alex, I'm in, you can be Max :bloated:
I think we need Mr Curtis too......how about it Mr Curtis, are you with us?
The FIA sports council are a bunch of bumbling morons :thumbsdow :nutkick: :swear:
EDIT: spelling
Guido
06-26-2003, 03:21 PM
Let's get a new FIA of the ground! We call it FAF -> Federation AF!
We can run it with 3 to 4 people. I'll be the secretary :wink:
Indeed every series that was succesfull, the FIA tried to take over and when they succed they destroyed it. Same with - not only DTM into ITC - but also BDRM (I forgot the name - sorry) into FIA GT's. Look what's left from that :eek:
We can run it with 3 to 4 people. I'll be the secretary :wink:
Indeed every series that was succesfull, the FIA tried to take over and when they succed they destroyed it. Same with - not only DTM into ITC - but also BDRM (I forgot the name - sorry) into FIA GT's. Look what's left from that :eek:
ales
06-26-2003, 03:50 PM
Originally posted by huudo
We can run it with 3 to 4 people. I'll be the secretary :wink:
Belgians ... always looking for most bureaucratic positions :icon16:
Sorry, Guido, you're not even starting to be resembling the kind of hot secretary who'd be fir to work for me :)
We can run it with 3 to 4 people. I'll be the secretary :wink:
Belgians ... always looking for most bureaucratic positions :icon16:
Sorry, Guido, you're not even starting to be resembling the kind of hot secretary who'd be fir to work for me :)
Guido
06-26-2003, 04:03 PM
I have to correct myself. "Secretary General" I meant.
Tso
06-26-2003, 04:56 PM
i concur with Ales. it's all a bunch of bullock.
isn't their "new" class suppose to be a bit quicker than a N car, but slower than an A car?
best thing 'bout a rallye car is the fucking turbine. (one of the things anyways)
isn't their "new" class suppose to be a bit quicker than a N car, but slower than an A car?
best thing 'bout a rallye car is the fucking turbine. (one of the things anyways)
RallyRaider
06-26-2003, 07:06 PM
Originally posted by freakray
Alex, I'm in, you can be Max :bloated:
I think we need Mr Curtis too......how about it Mr Curtis, are you with us?
Yeah I'll have ago, can't make things any worse can we? But I don't want to be Bernie, his wife scares me.
Tso: I can think of plenty of other things that are a bunch of bollocks. Where's that apology?
Watch the language kid. I know it is novel and you think it makes you sound like an adult, but it is not welcome here. Can we ban him for that sort of thing Alex, just a little bit?
Alex, I'm in, you can be Max :bloated:
I think we need Mr Curtis too......how about it Mr Curtis, are you with us?
Yeah I'll have ago, can't make things any worse can we? But I don't want to be Bernie, his wife scares me.
Tso: I can think of plenty of other things that are a bunch of bollocks. Where's that apology?
Watch the language kid. I know it is novel and you think it makes you sound like an adult, but it is not welcome here. Can we ban him for that sort of thing Alex, just a little bit?
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