old school s-2000

did you know that the del sol v-tec is what honda converted into the s-2000? they both have the civic chassis. its essentially a rear drive del sol w/ a reconfiguered j-spec prelude engine (less displacement- bigger cams) : history: crx si- delsol vtec- s-2000. i work @ honda and drive the s-2000 alot. i own a del sol vtec w/ intake, 4-1 dc headers and exhaust. theres really not a difference in the cars- except at higher speeds( about 80 mph, and faster)! obviousely the s-2000 is much tighter though, plus the rwd is awsome. n-e wayz, just a little food for thought to let you solers appreciate your rides that much more! would love some feedback! late:apuke:

i have heard this argument a lot, and still dont believe they based the s2000 off the del sol. just because it has a civic chasis doesnt really mean anything. the crv also has a civic chasis, if i remember correctly, making the s2000 related to that as well, if you want. its also not called a del sol chasis, but a civic chasis, creating an even larger distance between the two. there are really no connecting characteristics, other than the fact that they are both hondas that try to go fast. lets just leave it at that.

I too believe that the like ness is to far apart to really say the s2000 is an follow up of the sol. Yes they are convertibles, or a targa top on the sol if you want to get technical but none the less. You said you work a honda place, what kind of proof you have on your statement.

i'd like to think that every car that honda made is unique.
a civic is a civic, an accord is an accord, etc.... makes it much easier to appreciate all the different cars in honda's lineup.
i love the del sol, and i also love the s2k, but i don't think honda would stoop to a level where they just rip off discontinued cars in their line up and add a few frills to make a mid/high end model that was intended for their anniversary would they?

the s2k is based on the old school S series honda made.. way way back in the day ..
but this one was good.. i've driven both s2k.. since i own one.. and also the dohc vtec sol.. i love the sol to death but pardon my saying so.. it's hardly something you could get the S from ..
i love all hondas don't get me wrong.. but i think your goin a bit far..

Both cars are great. They perform well but I must say that the S2000 is its own class as is the del sol (which I have) . For the money you pay for each, they are well worth every penny :) But a note on the S2000, I would love to have one but the tires on those dang things are not made for winter so I won't be having one anytime soon.

check this site out: http://www.modernracer.com/history/hondas2000history.html look at the end of the review. this is just one example. not only that sit a del sol right next to a s2000. picture the del sol w/out the top and updated more agressivly. plus have you ever seen inside the s2000? the interior dimensions , styling and features are nearly identical to that of a delsol, basically updated. that one guy was right, the name came from the old school s-500 from the late 1960's
(extremely rare) the # after s(which means sport-not sol) represents the engine displacement( 2.0) the s-500 was a 500 cc motorcycle engine
mounted in their tiny -light weight 2 seater! that little thing revved up to 10 grand! not bad for back then. back when i watched the training videos for honda, the s2000 one started off w/ a time line, first showing a crx si, then a del sol vtec, then a s-2000. obviously each one is more refined than the first. honda said their goal was to constantly improve on their products. i would say those three cars are a steady and gradual improvement, look at drivetrain: crx si 115 hp, del sol vtec 160 hp, s-2000 240 hp. anywayz love to hear feedback-peace

naw....just I like I think from the CRX to the del Sol, I think they built the S2000 totally different from the ground up. The only thing similar is that the car is still kinda roadster-style, and they both (del Sol VTEC models) have DOHC VTEC.

In 1965 Honda made the S-800, coupe and also a roadster. Equipped 800 cc putting out a phenomenal 70 bhp. The crank shaft of the motor had roller bearings to help sustain the 10,000 rpm redline. Hmmm, my lawnmower can do 11,000 rpm.:D

wrong- trust me, read my last reply. as for the guy who who said ' the s-2000 was designed from the ground up', well your are definetly right!- and so is the civic every time they come out w/ a new body style! every body knows the del sol is a 3rd gen crx- DID YOU KNOW THE DEL SOL IS REDESIGNED FROM THE GROUND UP? - what im triing to say is, think of it like this, do you think the 2003 civic is built on the same chassis as a 1983 civic? no way - shit gets out dated! technology betters things! and theres always room for improvment- and honda knows that. i bet you didnt know they still made crx's(del sol's) in japan till 99 then in 2000 the s-2000 came out---hmmm, kinda funny , huh?:eek2:

um...

del Sol = CRX = Civic

S2000 != Civic

Therefore, S2000 != del Sol

geez jay just when i thought i was gonna get away with reading this post without finding some boolean operators..i was wrong..
.thanx for hookin me up on that one.. lol
lol

Originally posted by THE4TH
geez jay just when i thought i was gonna get away with reading this post without finding some boolean operators..i was wrong..
.thanx for hookin me up on that one.. lol
lol lol... The internet is the nerd's playground. ;)

thanx for the laugh man ..
hey by the way .. i'll probably be coming up the week of the 17th which is a mon i think.. lol
any day good for you, or better yet not good for you ??

del Sol does not equal S2000... S2000 equals update of Honda S800. Del Sol equals update of CRX.

Honda S800.. what the S2000 is really based on \/\/
http://www.honda-s800-club.freeserve.co.uk/NUCCombe2.JPG

And Sol 2000... the Motegi and Daytona editions of del Sols, the last ones made, were discontinued in 98, not 99.

Oh come on.. The S2000 is so obviously not a CR-X this shouldn't even be a comparison.

Maybe it's part of a long evolution, but the del Sol was never the basis, nor was it ever building block for the S2000.

Totally different engine, drive-train, everthing is different.

The S2000 is everything the del Sol should have been, but still isn't.

The del Sol is a Civic with a targa and a missing back seat. Done deal, that's it, enough said.

The S2000 was built off of all the previous 'S' model Honda's previously mentioned more than it was a del Sol.

Stop the insanity. :)

I think we established that already hater... why don't you go play with your mugen toys? ;)

i think they only cars that resemble each other and are 2 different models are the crx and the insight

S2000 is base off of a Del Sol. Reason being you can take off the radiator support from the Del Sol and weld on a S2000 radiator support. After you do that. You can bolt up all the front-end parts from the S2000. Like the fenders, hood, bumper & cover, headlights, etc... Side mirror is the same. The trunk and roof area you probably have to modify that and probably the change the motor as well.

Building a cheap S2000 for half of the price or lesser.

how many times do we have to say it? Sol does NOT equal s2k. The only similarity is that they are both 2 door sport coupes. The s2k is a completely different drivetrain. I can weld a radiator support from a mazda miata onto a sol.. does that make the sol a miata? NO.

im sorry in advance for what im about to say. THIS WHOLE THREAD IS COMEPLETE BULLSHIT AND SHOULD BE STOPPED. WHAT THE HELL IS THIS BS ABOUT THE S2K BEING BASED ON DEL SOLS, CIVICS, AND CRXS. STOP NOW OR I WILL PERSONALLY DRIVE MY S2000 OVER TO YOUR HOME TOWN, ASK PEOPLE WHERE YOU LIVE, AND WAIT UNTIL I GET A CHANCE TO RUN YOU OVER. THEN YOU CAN TELL ME WHAT THE CHASSIS LOOKS LIKE FROM UNDER MY FUCKING WHEEL!
there.... all better now.

aaactually if you wanna get into all technicality, the sol and the s2k are roughly the same height off the ground, so without a launch ramp, you'd have a hard time getting an s2k on top of a sol... :loser: :bigthumb: :iceslolan j/k. ;)

Hey Ringo, how dose someone that drives a 1990 Ford Taurus LX get off ripping on Honda. Once you ditch the grocery getter you can talk.

this really needs to be closed.. it's pointless. The sol and s2k are about as related as me and Mase.

Very funny sol girl, however I do feel kind of sorry for sol 2000. He will be scared to ever post again.

Don't come in the kitchen if you don't wanna cook... and do your homework before you get to class, you know? :icon16:

OK, so lets think here. The wonderful engineers at Honda, who do a hell of a job by the way. Are told to design a 2 seater convertable. So they design it, and rebuild it from the ground up. They come up with a window price of $33,000 for the base model. So Honda says they want the car to sell at a little over $20,000. So the wonderful engineers say: "hmmmm we have a factory already producing this chasis, why not build the car on this platform?" Honda redesigns the car using parts that are already being developed, therefore lowering the production cost as well as maintanence. There you have it, its a different car, but ford's use ford parts, audi's use audi's parts, BMW's, all companies do this, so enjoy the Honda you have for what it is, and the price you got it for is also effected by this parts production setup.

i agree i see a lot of resemblence in the del sol and s 2000. i just bought a 94 del sol and i am swapping a 98 spec 18c5. i post some pics when i am all done

What resemblance?! It ends at the fact that they are both two seaters. The s2k is a true convertible while the sol is a targa top.. the s2k is RWD while the sol is FWD.. The s2k is 6 speed, sol is 5 speed... I see no similarities. They end at the badges.

um...

del Sol = CRX = Civic

S2000 != Civic

Therefore, S2000 != del Sol


hahaha thats the LAMEST logic i have ever seen

ThInK

hahaha thats the LAMEST logic i have ever seen

ThInK
So prove it wrong, if you can.

I'll accept that challenge, Jay. It all really depends on if you're talking USDM or JDM/EDM. You see, the CRX was only marketed as a "civic CRX" in the USDM market. In the JDM/EDM market, the CRX was marketed as it's own new member of the Honda family. It had no affiliation with the Civics. The del Sol, which until 1996 (I believe) was marketed as the "Civic del Sol" was actually a new generation of the CRX, hence the reason that you have the "CRX del Sol" in the JDM and EDM markets. According to Honda, the reason that both the CRX and the del Sol were badged as civics was because the American (USDM) market already knew the Civic as a reliable and somewhat fun car (I mean come on, the civic can NEVAR lose, right?). So Honda USA, in its infinite wisdom, decided to give the new-to-US-Market CRX the Civic name association, so that the market would be more tempted to give it a try. Same goes with the del Sol. Say a new subaru comes out, called the Desposa, and you've never seen anything like it, but you have your impreza and you know you like it. Well chances are, you're gonna get another impreza when the opportunity presents itself. Now say that Subaru named it the "Impreza Desposa edition" or something like that. Now it sounds like it's an improvement on the Impreza, correct? So now you want to know ALL about this new thing, and your chances of buying one become quite good, even though the same car could have been named only the Desposa and you would never have given it a second look.

Marketing 101. :D

The End.

I'll accept that challenge, Jay.
I'm not sure why, since you and I seem to be on the same side of this argument...
It all really depends on if you're talking USDM or JDM/EDM. You see, the CRX was only marketed as a "civic CRX" in the USDM market. In the JDM/EDM market, the CRX was marketed as it's own new member of the Honda family. It had no affiliation with the Civics.
Completely false. Honda has always considered the CRX a part of the Civic family. To be completely accurate, I must say that the Ballade model line was considered a part of the Civic family, and that the original CRX was an evolution of the Ballade. Nevertheless, the "C" in CRX has always stood for "Civic."

The second and third CRXs were undisputably based on the Civics of the same generation. The CRX is simply the two-seater verion of that generations' Civic. It gets a special name, but that doesn't make it a whole new model anymore than the Civic Ferio sedan is a "completely different model" from the coupe/hatchback/wagon/whatever. It's just a diffferent bodystyle.

The Honda Civic Family Tree (http://www.honda.co.jp/pressroom/library/auto/CIVIC/index.html) - You'll see CRXs and del Sols, but no S2000s...
Say a new subaru comes out, called the Desposa, and you've never seen anything like it, but you have your impreza and you know you like it. Well chances are, you're gonna get another impreza when the opportunity presents itself. Now say that Subaru named it the "Impreza Desposa edition" or something like that. Now it sounds like it's an improvement on the Impreza, correct? So now you want to know ALL about this new thing, and your chances of buying one become quite good, even though the same car could have been named only the Desposa and you would never have given it a second look.
Your hypothetical situation is moot, since Subaru already did that. It's called the Outback (and Outback Sport). Outbacks are Legacies (or Liberties, depending on the market, but it's my point that the labels don't matter...), Outback Sports are Imprezas. Most don't say "Legacy" or "Impreza" anywhere on them, but that's what they are, albeit with two-tone paintjobs and slightly higher suspension. Certainly not enough to warrant an entire separate model.

Another example:
Next year, in the US market, Saab will sell a Subaru Impreza with a different front end and call it a 9-2x. It that a new model? No. It's a rebadged, face-lifted Impreza.

Another example:
Scion xA and Xb are rebadged Toyota ist and bB, respectively. Both are built on the same platform as the ECHO. I look at the new Scions, and I see square ECHOs. They're all the same car, with different skin.

My point:
Badges, names and minor skin changes do not new models make. Marketing labels do not change that with which a car is made.
I still contend that:
all del Sols are CRXs
all CRXs are Civics
no S2000s are Civics

Fist thins first. The S2000 IS NOT in any way related to the Del Sol. There are little or no parts that are the same. The chassie is completly different.
The S2000 engine is not baced off of the Prelude or any other car. The engine was built COMPLETLY new. Nothing about it is taken fron the Prelude. The s2000 is the sucessor of the S series of vehicles honda made.
And just because the interior looks similar ie. has shift knob and a steering wheel dosent mean it was based on it.
The CRX and Del Sol are a line of cars.
Just like BMW's 3 series or 5 series. Like Mercedes' C series.
Stop trying to make yourself feel better about your car because you think it is some how related to the S2000. Only way its related is the fact that they are both Hondas.

Tim

Actually the S2000 is based of the old S800 and S500, but I'll leave it alone... why is this damn thread still open?

1984-1987 Civic CRX 2-in-1
1988-1991 CRX are Civic
1993-1999 del Sols are CRX
2000-200? S2000 are del Sols

Reason being S2000 did came off of the del Sol.

Requirements to convert a del Sol into a S2000.

exterior and some parts of engine bay
Any year S2000 radiator support (welding)
Any year S2000 complete front-end (fenders, hood, bumper, lights)
Side mirror and door are the same.
Any year S2000 rear quarter panel (welding), tail lights, trunk, and bumper

engine(optional)
H22A complete swap

interior
Any year S2000 interior

everyone here is saying the s2000 was built all new from the ground up and looks nothing like the del sol, otehr than the fact its a 2 seater. yet you also say the the del sol came from the crx (which is true) but i dont understand your reasoning when you say the s2000 cant come from the del sol. the del sol is nothing like the crx other than the fact that its a 2 seater. you can redesign any car you want and call it somthing different. take the new rx-8 for example. well lets see it looks alot like an rx-7 but with a few changes here and a few changes there we instantly have an rx-8. and you cant use the fact that its rear wheel drive and not front wheel drive, because if you go back and look, alot of cars were rear wheel drive to begin with and the name didnt change even when they became front wheel drive cars. you cant tell me that there is no way the s2000 didnt come form the del sol, im not saying it did or didnt, im just saying unless you have absolute 100% proof to share with everyone here, you cant say there is no possible way, because it is possible.

MAKE IT DIE! (and hey, now I have a lock button)