three dumb questions ...

ehh... well...

first question i have to ask, how can i remove revell brushpaints ( i think they are called enamels?) i searched in the faq but i think the tipps written down there áre just for spray paints?

second, i have a tamiya 911 gt3 kit here, it is moldet in yellow. my question is , if i spray it black (tamiya ts14) without primer, would the yellow shine throug the black??

/edit: number three:
how can i put revell wheels (of a bmw 318ti compact cup kit) on a fujimi kit (fujimi honda integra type r dc2 ) ?

sry,
noob :D

1) Same as any other paint, BUT, I find that enamel paints used without primer tend to adhere to models really well, so it might take more time.

2) No, but why not primer?

Edit:
3) Try to figure it out for yourself, you'll see how satisfying your own work/ideas can be. And if sucessful, share the procedure with us.

Originally posted by ales

2) No, but why not primer?



Ok...I have noticed..am I one of the few people that primer my models??!? Like every body puts it off like they are "too cool" to primer. I dont get it....nobody primers...why?
Brian

Originally posted by k_dog


Ok...I have noticed..am I one of the few people that primer my models??!? Like every body puts it off like they are "too cool" to primer. I dont get it....nobody primers...why?
Brian I never paint WITHOUT primer! It's like building with usinga dull Xacto knife: sure it can work but wouldn't you want the best possible finish?!:)

I always apply primer (Mr. surfacer, to be exact) to fill the scratches made when eliminating the mold lines, and to get rid of cheap translucent look of styrene.

Originally posted by k_dog


Ok...I have noticed..am I one of the few people that primer my models??!? Like every body puts it off like they are "too cool" to primer. I dont get it....nobody primers...why?
Brian

Whatever you say Brian, I can tell you that I primer, I use Tamiya fine white most of the time, but when the need calls, I use Tamiya grey primer.

Ray

Originally posted by k_dog


Ok...I have noticed..am I one of the few people that primer my models??!? Like every body puts it off like they are "too cool" to primer. I dont get it....nobody primers...why?
Brian

the first time i usd primer it really fucked up the model , so i say i will just primer when i have to.

@ales: thx for your tipps, my question about removing revell enamels was just because i spilled something onto another part that i want to be sprayed ... :-/

I just recently started using primer and he is right you cannot live without it my finish came out nice and smooth and perfect trust me use primer i didnt use primer and they come out like shit so use primer

If anything primer really helps you see any flaws in sanding or filling. That alone is worth it.

use primer it is the way to go as i said before:monkeypis :silly:

i use primer when i need it to give me a consistent surface to paint upon, specifically filling scratches, covering putty etc...

but who needs primer if u have a flawless surface to paint upon, alot of people have this silly idea that using primer turns crapppy paint jobs into nice paint jobs..

if you paint the primer and then the paint you have better chances of getting a better paintjob then you do without it

Originally posted by Modelcargarage
if you paint the primer and then the paint you have better chances of getting a better paintjob then you do without it

no you don't, why don't u share with us your logic on that?

primer doesn't change the paint to give u a better paint job.

Primer is there for paint to adhere to....w/o it, the is a greater chance of having runs.....in essence, creates crappy paint jobs
Brian

eh..
wrong
paint runs because u applied too much paint in one area.
go get a piece of glass and paint it and tell me paint doesn't stick to it.

have to aggre with djmr2 on this one.

i just recently sprayed my datsun 240z without primer as i have none yet and i am impatient. looks alright to me. but i did notice light running. nothing a second coaut didnt fix. it looks very clean to me so i dunno. but i plan on using primer on my future models because i do know it makes it all alot easier. its relaly one of those preference things again.

-GTi-VR6_A3

I havn't used white or grey primers yet, but have used silver and black for basecoats. I'd have to say I didn't really notice a different with basecoats, besides with a candy colour (obviously).

The primer argument has been going for many thread..
Different people got different preference..
IMO, test it out yourself and see if you like to paint with primer or without primer.
I would advise to go with primer though.

Originally posted by Lowryda
I havn't used white or grey primers yet, but have used silver and black for basecoats. I'd have to say I didn't really notice a different with basecoats, besides with a candy colour (obviously).

Yeah....w/candy colors, that happens

Originally posted by Dr.AK


the first time i usd primer it really fucked up the model , so i say i will just primer when i have to.

@ales: thx for your tipps, my question about removing revell enamels was just because i spilled something onto another part that i want to be sprayed ... :-/

Which primer did you use? Tamiya or Revell? Tamiya´s primer is much better than Revell´s crap. Sure, primer is a good thing, but not necessary. And I think the discussion about primer became boring, we could discuss for the next 1000 years and we´ll never come to an end.

From where in Germany are you?

ahhh...revells primer isnt that bad...I use it.
and I come up w/some very nice finnishes
Brian

Can anyone tell if this one has been primered beforehand??

Yes, the Revell primer is not bad... but in my opinion the Tamiya one is better.

Originally posted by k_dog
ahhh...revells primer isnt that bad...I use it.
and I come up w/some very nice finnishes
Brian

Where do you manage to find Revell primer and paints?

Even the biggest stores I go to in Allentown, which even stock Humbrol paints, can't get Revell paints.

Ray

I always, ALWAYS, ALWAYS prime before painting.

Originally posted by freakray


Where do you manage to find Revell primer and paints?

Even the biggest stores I go to in Allentown, which even stock Humbrol paints, can't get Revell paints.

Ray

It's the paint thats stocked w/the revell models. Not sure what they're called, just quoting the post above.
Brian

Originally posted by Snooker


Which primer did you use? Tamiya or Revell? Tamiya´s primer is much better than Revell´s crap. Sure, primer is a good thing, but not necessary. And I think the discussion about primer became boring, we could discuss for the next 1000 years and we´ll never come to an end.

From where in Germany are you?
used automotive primer, cause i didn't found any shop here in the near wich sold tamiya primer.

and some parts of the car i sprayed without primer (underbody) and it came out very smooth, but with primer i had orange peel and it was too thick.


i'm from bedburg / nrw

Originally posted by Dr.AK

and some parts of the car i sprayed without primer (underbody) and it came out very smooth, but with primer i had orange peel and it was too thick.

It might depend on how long you wait for the primer coat to dry. I left a really thick coat of primer to dry for about a day in warm temps (28degC or so) and then started with the color coats, and i ended up with some rough spots here and there... but nothing sandpaper couldn't fix easily.

Besides, the primer coat doesn't have to be perfect, it just preps the body. A misty coat is all that is needed! Hope this helps.

:p

Originally posted by Dr.AK

used automotive primer, cause i didn't found any shop here in the near wich sold tamiya primer.

and some parts of the car i sprayed without primer (underbody) and it came out very smooth, but with primer i had orange peel and it was too thick.


i'm from bedburg / nrw

Hey, try www.nimpex.de they have everything you need.

In my opinion, automotive primer it too thick for scale kits and would eliminate some of the detail
Brian

Originally posted by Snooker


Hey, try www.nimpex.de they have everything you need.

i know nimpex, from there i got my gt3 :D

@k_dog:
yes, i should know that after my try with that :D what about tamiya primer? is it as thin as theyr colors?


btw. is That Styrene (http://www.dhcinc.com/evergreen1.htm#Clear Sheets) see-trhough like glass?

i don't want to open another thread,

how is the quality of the hasegawa bmw e36 320i ?

I think you all are only answering 1 question over and over ;)

The revell brushpaints that come with the kits can be washed out with water I think, or they could last time I used one of the kits with the paint in it. They were acrylic enamels in my experience, but if they are actual solvent based enamels (stronger smell), you can use Testors thinner or mineral spirits.

2. Primer is good. I've had much better paint come out after priming, but that doesn't mean I always do it. The yellow shouldn't show through the black though, as long as you're spraying it.

3. I'm not sure on this one, as it depends on the rims you are using. I do know that you can put hoppin' hydros rims on by grinding down the inner mounting post in the wheel with a demel. use what is left to super glue a paper clip (or other thin piece of plastic or metal) that will fit into both the wheel and the tamiya model into the wheel, then sliding it onto the model just as you would a stock wheel. HTH

Revell paints are the same enamel paints as Humbrol, only have (used to have?) a bit larger grain, so I don't like them. They do have some nice colours for interiors, and their nr 9 is the best paint to represent rubber - very very good.

And using thinner to strip paint will mean losing the part.

I thought he meant cleaning brushes...Ales is right though. NEVER strip paint from a model with thinner. Use Castrol Super Clean Degreaser instead for acrylics and enamels. Brake fluid will work for lacquers