Hydrogen gas???

Like everyone, i'm really starting to get raped at the pump these days, i know theres that water hydro thing now that supposedly increases MPG, whats everyones input on this? is it worth it? and can it even be used on our type of engines?

Ever see Mythbusters?

Myth Busted 10 ways from Sunday.

I only saw that show like twice but if they prove its not effective then im sure it really isn't, i dont wanna go spending $1200 on something that probably wont make a difference

The only good that can come from the the hydromist is the steam produced from the water vapor will keep carbon blasted off the pistons and plugs. One of the falacies of the hydromist is that since it works off of engine vacumn, you only get results when engine vacumn is at its highest. That is when the throttle is open the least amount.

That was an old mechanics trick to help clean an engine during a tune up. They sprayed a small amount of water into the air flow with the engine at a fast idle to blast the carbon out of the cylinders.

But. a clean combustion chamber will increase engine performance.

I've wanted to take apart the engine but this is my daily driver at the moment and all i have, i'd be really interested in seeing what a 25 year old engine looked like, if theres any sludge

I've wanted to take apart the engine but this is my daily driver at the moment and all i have, i'd be really interested in seeing what a 25 year old engine looked like, if theres any sludge


http://water4gas.com/2books.htm?hop=drivewater
I was gonna try this on my lawnmower and seeif it works before i try it on a car. Looks simple to me but who knows.

yeah these gas prices are absolutely nuts. And my car only gets about 11mpg i think right now. I just put it on the street so i don't know the exact mpg yet. by the way maybe seafoaming the engine would help? I guess its suppose to clean out the carbon build ups, which should help. Also i was wondering what the mpg would be for people with the V6?

I do want to convert my vehicles to run on hydrogen, but there aren't any stations available here yet. I did use some stainless steel plates and a car battery to built a hydrogen reactor once. I used sodium as a catalyst to help get the hyrdrogen and oxygen molecules to split. I got it to make enough hydrogen to get a little 50 cc 4 stroke engine to idle off it. I say in terms of an alternative fuel for our nation to go with, hydrogen should be the way to go. It's easy to make, burning it has absolutely no pollution, and it's 100% renewable. We'd literally be able to put our mouths over the tail pipe of a car, suck in and be fine. Other countries have already converted, I don't see why we shouldn't. With basic modifications, internal combustion engines can run off hydrogen just fine.

The main problem with hydrogen perhaps has to do with the collective IQ of the people who would use it. We have enough problems with gasoline as it is.

Hydrogen burns with an invisible flame, this can be a problem for those who don't know how to treat this extremely flammable gas.

We have to build the infrastructure for the delivery of hydrogen gas, wouldn't be too difficult but will cost $$$. We also have to educate everyone about both the benefits and dangers of this most elemental of gases.

We've still got the 70 Nova we purchased in April 1970. With 165,000 miles and good oil and filter change practice, We can still clearly read the casting numbers and see the paint stripes on the valve springs through the fill cap on the valve cover. No noticeable sludge build up at all.

Yeah i'd be willing to convert, but i wanna learn more though about it first, i know it can be pretty costly to setup but in the longrun you save money of course. ah yes the good ol days http://farm1.static.flickr.com/81/237799446_8310ce4ded.jpg?v=0

Yeah i'd be willing to convert, but i wanna learn more though about it first, i know it can be pretty costly to setup but in the longrun you save money of course. ah yes the good ol days http://farm1.static.flickr.com/81/237799446_8310ce4ded.jpg?v=0
And in those days we complained that was too much for a gallon of gas :lol: ! I'd take those days any day. I remember 10 years ago I was paying .79/gal at one station near me. That price only lasted a few days and quickly went up to $1.39 within a couple of weeks. Back in '86 when I graduated from college, a friend and me drove to Chicago and the highest price we paid at the time was .86/gal. I guess I'm lucky to remember the "good ole days" of double digit or under $1.00/gal gas. The problems really started back in '91 when Iraq invaded Kuwait. That's when we were subjected to those overnight price spikes, which seem to be more commonplace nowadays.

sigh, i remember the summer of 98... stealing my pops leased maxima and filling up on .99/gal regular and riding around all day then tryng to park it back in the same spot at the metro parking lot.

Even back in 2001, I remember filling up at one of the reservations for $.99/gallon. I should have put down a few thousand into the gas bank. Even then though I am spending about $3500/year in gas, so a couple thousand wouldn't last me too long.

sigh, i remember the summer of 98... stealing my pops leased maxima and filling up on .99/gal regular and riding around all day then tryng to park it back in the same spot at the metro parking lot.

Around Thanksgiving '98, gas around here (Mesa, AZ) hit $.79/gal. For two years prior, it was teetering around $1.50/gal before the bottom fell out. While I don't ever expect to see those prices again, there's only so much higher the fuel prices can get before people stop driving ... leading to a glut situation and crashing prices. Remember, we were in a recession in '98.

While I don't ever expect to see those prices again, there's only so much higher the fuel prices can get before people stop driving ... leading to a glut situation and crashing prices. Remember, we were in a recession in '98.
I don't know how much of a "glut" there would be this time around. Things are a lot different than they were 10 years ago with emerging countries such as China and India using more gas now, any glut would probably be absorbed by their increasing demand. Those countries are part of the problem for our rising prices now.I wonder if they haven't evolved in the way that they did up to this point,if we'd be in the same situation we are right now concerning the higher prices. :dunno:
EDIT: And besides if a glut were to happen leading to a big decrease in price, I'm sure OPEC would quickly drop production, much quicker than they are to raise it.

CHRIST! i dont know what gas is liek for any of you guys but i just witnessed $3.84!! That might not be so bad for some of you guys but Massachusetts i heard curently has the second cheapest gas prices or something like that.

CHRIST! i dont know what gas is liek for any of you guys but i just witnessed $3.84!! That might not be so bad for some of you guys but Massachusetts i heard curently has the second cheapest gas prices or something like that.

3.95 in northern Illinois

A couple stations in my locale were selling it for $4.05 yesterday :shakehead: I find it hard to believe that Mass. has some of the cheapest gas around , knowing the tax structures here in the Northeast. Although once you leave NY and go about 30 miles into an adjoining state , the price can drop .20 cents a gallon. People complain in our local paper all the time that gas in NJ is a lot cheaper than in NY, and to add insult to injury, the gas is pumped for you at the service stations in that state. :eek: ( you'd think that would add to the price for the additional labor.)

Just filled up both my vehicles at $4.14/gallon here in upstate New York. Cost me $140.00 to fill my truck from 1/8 of a tank. Cost me $80.00 to fill ol' boxy from about the same. The truck will last me about 2 weeks of driving to work and back, same goes for the Caprice, but thats all not including other driving. Y'know errands, recreation, etc.

Just filled up both my vehicles at $4.14/gallon here in upstate New York. Cost me $140.00 to fill my truck from 1/8 of a tank. Cost me $80.00 to fill ol' boxy from about the same. The truck will last me about 2 weeks of driving to work and back, same goes for the Caprice, but thats all not including other driving. Y'know errands, recreation, etc.
Yeah its about $80-$85 to fill up my car too, your truck must def have a bigger tank then, heh and i thought it was alot to fill up the box

CHRIST! i dont know what gas is liek for any of you guys but i just witnessed $3.84!! That might not be so bad for some of you guys but Massachusetts i heard curently has the second cheapest gas prices or something like that.


you and i dont live too far away from each other... the cheapest i have seen it around here was today at unified petroleum, $3.69 regular... im a bit surprised usually they are among the most expensive.

Pete: not including other driving. Y'know errands, recreation, etc.

recreational driving... ahh that brings back memories HAHA:tongue:

Yeah its about $80-$85 to fill up my car too, your truck must def have a bigger tank then, heh and i thought it was alot to fill up the box

36 gallon capacity, goes fast at only 12 - 13 MPG. Back in '89 they didn't really worry about gas mileage, 3.73 rear end (and front end), only 3 gears, no overdrive or TCC, not to mention the 5500 lb GVW. It's about time I replace the Sierra with a Sonoma.

I dunno if its just a ford thing or not but i know their 80s and early 90s F150's had the dual gas tanks

I dunno if its just a ford thing or not but i know their 80s and early 90s F150's had the dual gas tanks

Yeah it must be ford, i've never seen this on any other make. I know the old 60's international scouts (ford related for those who don't know) had dual gas tanks on both sides of the vehicles right behind the front seats (sounds like a suicide bomber truck).

I doubt this would help but maybe unplugging a couple spark plugs could get better gas mileage? Actually that would probably be a waste because gas will go unburnt. I have an 07 dodge durango with the good ol' hemi and it runs on 4 cylindars at times to save fuel. I think it does something with the valves and or the cam shaft to stop the other cylindars from firing. It really shows as i've had upwards of 20mpg in such a big suv as this!

yeah i've seen on the really technical new cars now where you can switch from using 4 to 8 cylinders when you need the extra power. i think unplugging some wires would just make the engine run horrible, and like you said would probably just have unburned gas

I believe with the fuel saver engines that switch from 8 to 4 cylinders, they simply just shut off four of the injectors so those four cylinders just suck in air.

Me and my crazy ideas, I actually though of designing an intake manifold for older engines that has some throttle blade style valves on select intake ports either cable or electric solenoid operated so if the owner wanted to they could "shut off" some of the cylinders for better mileage.

I believe with the fuel saver engines that switch from 8 to 4 cylinders, they simply just shut off four of the injectors so those four cylinders just suck in air.

Me and my crazy ideas, I actually though of designing an intake manifold for older engines that has some throttle blade style valves on select intake ports either cable or electric solenoid operated so if the owner wanted to they could "shut off" some of the cylinders for better mileage.

You know, i was thinking the same thing. That would be a great project to try out.

I do have a couple of SBC manifolds layin' around the garage. Maybe I'll see if I can work on something like that.

I believe with the fuel saver engines that switch from 8 to 4 cylinders, they simply just shut off four of the injectors so those four cylinders just suck in air.

Me and my crazy ideas, I actually though of designing an intake manifold for older engines that has some throttle blade style valves on select intake ports either cable or electric solenoid operated so if the owner wanted to they could "shut off" some of the cylinders for better mileage.

I believe those engines also hold the exhaust valve open a bit so that compression on a dead cylinder won't kill performance.

They've tried something like what you propose back in the late 70s - it was called the 'V8-6-4" engine and was used in one or two Cadillac models - it was a gargantuan flop, due to technical reasons.

I believe those engines also hold the exhaust valve open a bit so that compression on a dead cylinder won't kill performance.

They've tried something like what you propose back in the late 70s - it was called the 'V8-6-4" engine and was used in one or two Cadillac models - it was a gargantuan flop, due to technical reasons.
I remember those V8-6-4s.:runaround: I was going to mention something about that and the furor it created back then. I think this newer technology has an uphill battle to gain support of those who remember those dark times. But maybe, given the present situation with the price of gas and calls for better fuel economy, the ideas might have a better chance of winning support amongst the general population. We have better technologies and "know how" than the '70s , so it is presumptive that this may work this time around.

What exactly went wrong with them back then? The fireless compression killing performance? See I was thinking shutting the port off completely so if the cylinder doesn't suck in air, then there will be no compression for the engine to battle. But then again the "off" cylinders would have to fight the massive vacuum.

You know what would be interesting to see, is an older car like ours (a box caprice would be cool) with a hybrid engine, then we could finally afford to drive them again. i wonder how the outcome of that would be though

You know what would be interesting to see, is an older car like ours (a box caprice would be cool) with a hybrid engine, then we could finally afford to drive them again. i wonder how the outcome of that would be though

I was just thinking about that today too! I mean, as we know, these trunks are gargantuan and theres plenty of room for a hybrid battery pack. And chevy recently came out with the hybrid tahoe too, so if an electric motor can move an SUV like that then it'll have no problem moving the caprice. Although you might have to upgrade the "spongebob suspension" as i call it, to cope with the battery wieght.

*only problem is figuring out how to sync both gas and electric to work together. maybe you'd be able to get a hybrid computer and integrate that into the car somehow. you'd also have to do something with the brakes because i know these new hybrids do this thing where they use the wasted energy from braking and in turn use that energy to charge the batteries, unless the alternater could handle that, who knows.

If thats the case it seems like it just be better to get a car thats already a hybrid lol

Yeah it must be ford, i've never seen this on any other make. I know the old 60's international scouts (ford related for those who don't know) had dual gas tanks on both sides of the vehicles right behind the front seats (sounds like a suicide bomber truck).

nope... i had an 86 silverado with the 4.3L v6 4bbl carb and it had dual 15 gallon tanks. when i got it the rear tank leaked so i just kept it switched to the front