Hey Mr. Bush! How about investing in your people?

I really feel sorry for the american people. The richest nation in the world has a horrible education system. How much does it cost to go to college there? Maybe instead of all the millitary spending, the US could actually invest in thier future and current generations through education.... :rolleyes:

http://www.house.gov/schakowsky/educationpromisesbroken.html
http://www.acenet.edu/news/press_release/2001/04april/student.aid.budget.html
http://www.aft.org/news/education_funding.html
http://www.senate.gov/~jeffords/press/03/01/01082003education.html

Yes, and Canada should do the exact same thing. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like that's going to happen. There are too many people who would rather get tax cuts and lose government services.

But of course, it makes sense that a private corporation could provide the same services at a lower cost, and still make a profit.

I don't think that free post secondary education should be there for everyone, only to those who meet a certain set of standards, and show apptitude for more complex studies.

Originally posted by Ranger_X
I really feel sorry for the american people. The richest nation in the world has a horrible education system. How much does it cost to go to college there? Maybe instead of all the millitary spending, the US could actually invest in thier future and current generations through education.... :rolleyes:

http://www.house.gov/schakowsky/educationpromisesbroken.html
http://www.acenet.edu/news/press_release/2001/04april/student.aid.budget.html
http://www.aft.org/news/education_funding.html
http://www.senate.gov/~jeffords/press/03/01/01082003education.html

if only that would happen. damnit then we would have something. i cant wait til i turn 18. i will finally get to do my little part. everyday i have this little urge to move into politics. some days it is really big and some days it just makes me sad....:(

-GTi-VR6_A3

Originally posted by Cbass
Yes, and Canada should do the exact same thing. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like that's going to happen. There are too many people who would rather get tax cuts and lose government services.

But of course, it makes sense that a private corporation could provide the same services at a lower cost, and still make a profit.

I don't think that free post secondary education should be there for everyone, only to those who meet a certain set of standards, and show apptitude for more complex studies.

HAH we agree somewhere. both of our governments are losing it iwht education. but then again thats what we get when stupid elites that dont have to worry about education except for in election times run countries. if only i was in power.

-GTi-VR6_A3

Originally posted by Cbass
Yes, and Canada should do the exact same thing. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like that's going to happen. There are too many people who would rather get tax cuts and lose government services.


Sigh, that's the way it's going right now. Especially in retarded Alberta.


But of course, it makes sense that a private corporation could provide the same services at a lower cost, and still make a profit.[/B]

No education system should be a profit organization, there are many reasons. I went to a private high school and they aren't considered a profit organization. LOL, ever seen that simpsons where the school is funded by a corporation that just wants ideas for toys? Or where they have the oscar meyer periodic table? What is the atomic weight of bolonium? LOL!
Privatise eduaction, and it loses its true academic nature.


I don't think that free post secondary education should be there for everyone, only to those who meet a certain set of standards, and show apptitude for more complex studies. [/B]

Definitly! But the cost for higher post secondary in the US is retardedly high, and it's getting up there in Canada. When the cost of post secondary becomes too high, first of all, you make it much harder for less financially privilaged people to get an education vs the more privilaged. Also, people only look at post secondary as an investment, they don't get an education for the sake of getting an education. They stick only to a strict regime of courses and don't get a well rounded education. As well, they must move on to get a high paying job so they can pay off student loans. Professors go to school the longest. At the current wages canadian profs make, if tuition goes up to what it is in the states, it will take them 20 years to pay off student loans. And these people are researchers and educators! Why pick a hard job like that if you can go work somewhere else, making much more in an easier job with less education? Who will want to be a prof?

man it seems like at my school that alot of the people are just going kuz they have to and its the path to take. no1 is there kuz they have aspirations of educatoin or that they like it . well my friends and i are but hey. and there are people who want to learn. but it seems as though swo many are pressured into the situation by society. you just cant have a job now adays wihtout a deree but too many people are just going to school and not learning just the motions. north american society is starting to make me sad. damnit im getting depressed i need a drink...:(

-GTi-VR6_A3

Originally posted by GTi-VR6_A3
. north american society is starting to make me sad. damnit im getting depressed i need a drink...:(


This is how I feel all the time, it sucks!

I know exactly what you're talking about with so many of your colleagues just getting an education so they can work a 9-5 job, get paid well, and forget everything they learned in thier degree. A high cost to post secondary adds to this, as lots of people have no other choice.

just for curiosity, GTi-VR6_A3, what are you taking?

Originally posted by Ranger_X

just for curiosity, GTi-VR6_A3, what are you taking?

if oyu mean major. its too soon to tell. i dont have it all plaend out like the cookie kutters do. but last semester i took german, piano, moral and political philosophy, and astronomy. this semester is english 1a (colledge composition), trig, comparative religion (great teacher) and political science-american government with one of the best teacehr i have ever had. he truly loves his job and it seems as though he has a love hate relation ship with politics. id quote him all day if i only took notes...:D but i really learn alot in that class and its great. i also learned alot in the philo class last semester. btw this is my first year in college i go to city college san francisco and i am 17:D :D :D

-GTi-VR6_A3

I'm sort of at a loss on this topic. I feel that a strong military is needed but I highly value education. The prices for college are ridiculously high and you have to pay for your own books.

I agree money should be spent on education but like how some of you feel some things should be cut for the military, same can go for the education system.

Namely the scholarships that are granted based on race. That pisses me off because when you think about it, it is sort of like "reverse racism/discrimination". I'm not some redneck bigot but where I came from we have this saying: "A small town white boy don't mean anything anymore". I believe everyone should have a chance. Scholarships should be based on grades and good conduct (don't want money to be wasted on troublemakers now do we?)

But some military spending does go to education (even if it is for the military personnel). I have taken only three courses outside of my professional military education. The gov't fronts up the bill (75% of it when I took the courses) and I paid for the books. I can't complain however I still got a price for everything and I saw what all parties had to pay. So I do know it is outrageously priced. And that is another area that needs to be cut.

Also, I will never go to a major university as a full time student because teaching is not the professors number one priority. The classes are huge and not much interaction between teacher and student(s). The courses on the base have small classes and more interaction, thus you are more likely to succeed.

Bottom line, I feel both military and education could use some money. I get close to $1k in refunds this year. I like it and will spend it but I went all year without it. If it will make the US a better place, keep it and put it to good use (yeah, I know, like that will ever happen).

Originally posted by Darth Cypher

Namely the scholarships that are granted based on race. That pisses me off because when you think about it, it is sort of like "reverse racism/discrimination". I'm not some redneck bigot but where I came from we have this saying: "A small town white boy don't mean anything anymore". I believe everyone should have a chance. Scholarships should be based on grades and good conduct (don't want money to be wasted on troublemakers now do we?)

I really don't know how to feel about that. I can agree with arguments from both sides, so I'll stay nuetral on that.


But some military spending does go to education (even if it is for the military personnel). I have taken only three courses outside of my professional military education. The gov't fronts up the bill (75% of it when I took the courses) and I paid for the books. I can't complain however I still got a price for everything and I saw what all parties had to pay. So I do know it is outrageously priced. And that is another area that needs to be cut.

Good point. I know a guy who got an honors degree in poli sci through the canadian millitary. He sure worked hard though!

Also, I will never go to a major university as a full time student because teaching is not the professors number one priority. The classes are huge and not much interaction between teacher and student(s). The courses on the base have small classes and more interaction, thus you are more likely to succeed.

Well, the prof's number one job above all else is thier research (as it should be) and as such a highly educated person, they are expected to give back by teaching. Profs are very busy people, there is A LOT expected out of them, so you'll find few who are phenomenal teachers and really dedicated to thier students (though I'm sure most try thier best) But what you have to understand about the university atmosphere is that profs aren't really teachers. They consider all thier students colleagues, and a big part of university is taking a lot of initiative to learn stuff for yourself and read a lot and study like hell. If my current molecular cell biology class was taught like it was in high school, the information would probably take 2 years to cover. And also, things change depending on what school you go to, and what year you are. I go to a primarily undergraduate university, even so my first year classes all had about 100-150 people in them. Now that I'm in third year, the classes are much smaller, and all the profs have office hours in which we are welcome to come in and get help. When I go to graduate school, that will almost be one on one as you have basically a mentor professor.

Bottom line, I feel both military and education could use some money. I get close to $1k in refunds this year. I like it and will spend it but I went all year without it. If it will make the US a better place, keep it and put it to good use (yeah, I know, like that will ever happen). [/B]

I am by no means anti millitary, but your country has done atrocious things with so much money. Does the US really need 20,000 nuclear warheads, when about a quarter of them can kill every human being on earth anyways?

Originally posted by Ranger_X


I am by no means anti millitary, but your country has done atrocious things with so much money. Does the US really need 20,000 nuclear warheads, when about a quarter of them can kill every human being on earth anyways?

If the purpose of nuclear weapons was to destroy the planet – then you would be right. That was not the purpose of them. It was one of the items that helped drive the Soviet Union into ruin. As you may be aware, the stockpile has been reduced and is still being reduced.













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Originally posted by YogsVR4

As you may be aware, the stockpile has been reduced and is still being reduced.

As has Saddam's.Kinda makes it that much harder to justify invading his country.

Originally posted by taranaki


As has Saddam's.Kinda makes it that much harder to justify invading his country.

he has a stockpile of nukes?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!

my point for invading his country is that he has violated the UN resolution. although on a side note it would be nice to give iraq's people a free country... give them democracy and they can vote dictatorship cak in if they want to. too bad bush wants to install the king of jordan

-GTi-VR6_A3

i don't see much wrong with the system because i'm in worse

Originally posted by YogsVR4

As you may be aware, the stockpile has been reduced and is still being reduced.

Reductions in the stockpile of nuclear weapons leftover from the cold war era has been, at best, proceeding at a snail's pace.

http://www.thebulletin.org/media/current.html