SRT4 vs WRX.

makes ya wanna go buy an ugly car for that speed, huh?

it whooped on both cars there...
well, whooped a wrx and hung with a modded turbo dsm... not too shabby for a car with temp tags on it...

That new neon sure is impressive... Just get one, the looks will grow on ya;)

here is what I don't understand, SRT4 has a bigger turbo, FMIC, larger displacement, lighter, and FWD. if a WRX is equiped with a 16G and FMIC stock. it would be in mid's 13 stock!
point is, I am disappointed with the SRT pefroemace. a 2.4L-T should produce more impressive #s.
(ps, not to mention WRX has 3 cats)
yup, I am a sore loser.

from what i've heard...

only what i've heard...

the srt4 is a bit underrated hp wise...

i think someone told me they put 220something to the wheels...
and tq is like 275, you wonder why he walked you?

i just know that the car is way underrated.

american tq is a killer in a drag race tho...

and mind you, that's what i've HEARD... i'm up for being proved wrong...

EJ20, you answered yourself why the SRT-4 doesn't pull better 14mile times than the WRX. It's FRONT WHEEL DRIVE. There's a reason the "good ol' boys" of drag racing call FF cars "wrong wheel drive": the arrangement isn't suitable for the strip, no matter what Super Street says. Thanks to its commendable AWD driveline, the WRX can out accelerate the potent Neon. A shame, but a truth of physics.

Now, I will say this. The SRT-4 proved last year in the SCCA Pro Rally that it is MORE than capable of dominating 2WD Rally events. It's powerful, bullet-proof in reliability (you get that from using the technology that's been lying around in your warehouses since the early 80's), and quite quite nimble. A more fitting comparison, I'd think, would be to match the car up with its size and price point competitors; Mazdaspeed Protege, SVT Focus, Nissan Sentra SE-R Spec V, Volkswagen Golf GTi, and Honda Civic Si.

Can you see now just how good the car is in its segment?

I understand SRT4 are faster car, I just think with all those goodies on the car, it should perform better.
when and if I ever see one around, I would love to run him/her.
by then I should have a 2.5 stroker kit done.
yup, I am a big cheater.

I don't care how fast it is, I'd rather have an Impreza with a longitudinal boxer engine and AWD than a Dodge with a transverse 4 cylinder and FWD. Just my bias of course :hehehe:

Horizontal? Ive never heard of a horizontal 4 cylinder. Do you mean transverse?

Oops! That I did! Amounts to the same thing though ;)

Originally posted by Cbass
I don't care how fast it is, I'd rather have an Impreza with a longitudinal boxer engine and AWD than a Dodge with a transverse 4 cylinder and FWD. Just my bias of course :hehehe:

and i wonder where you would get a bias like that:finger: jk

-GTi-VR6_A3

the only reason these cars keep getting compared is those neat bug-eyed head lights lol. its sad to see them go on the impretza(as the british say it) id ould swtill like to have one of each

-GTi-VR6_A3

i saw the dyno on sport compact car. the car put out more then 225hp at the wheels, and 250ft of torque at the wheels. i forgot the exact numbers, but its definitly higher then the factory rating at the crank.

Originally posted by flylwsi
from what i've heard...

only what i've heard...

the srt4 is a bit underrated hp wise...

i think someone told me they put 220something to the wheels...
and tq is like 275, you wonder why he walked you?

i just know that the car is way underrated.

american tq is a killer in a drag race tho...

and mind you, that's what i've HEARD... i'm up for being proved wrong...

I read the exact same thing that it was putting 223hp to the wheels.

Just bought and already being drag raced. That little 4 banger is quick damn. That's it I'm buying a Diablo.

Ok Dodge you have a fast 4-cylinder car, and a fast 10-cylinder car, where is the fast V-8 car damn it?

:cry: :cry: :cry: So true, Devil. So true.

Well, they say that the Magnum concept is going to production. It's a RWD statin wagon (that they're calling an "activity vehicle to avoid negative connotations and win over SUV buyers) powered by the new Hemi and with all around independent suspension. I think that it would be easy to shorten it up, drape a stylish Viper coupe-esque body over the frame, and call it Challenger.

I like it.

In addition to a fast v-8 car.. Can they please at least make it somewhat affordable?

we will have to see if SRT8 is a dream or,,,,,,

The SRT-8 Magnum will be a production car according to Chrysler. I am not too excited about it though. It uses the truck version of the Hemi with a s/c. What I long for is the all aluminum Hemi and the reincarnation of a classic. That is what they need to do. They also need to price it against the Mustang and GTO.

And then you woke up!:eek:

Originally posted by DemonZX
And then you woke up!:eek:

BASTARD!!!!!!!

:cry: :cry: :cry:

Actually, you know what DaimlerChrysler should do? Pull a Fiat and take the SRT-4 running gear and stick it in a tiny two seat mid-engine wedge. Then go Miata hunting. MR2 be damned.

We call it Dodge Demon II :devil:

All it would need is aggressive styling and a price point under $25,000.

Originally posted by Octagon


We call it Dodge Demon II :devil:


GLH Returns.....:eek: :D

Originally posted by GTi-VR6_A3


and i wonder where you would get a bias like that:finger: jk

-GTi-VR6_A3

LOL, except the engine is in the wrong placee :flipa: :hehehe:

Originally posted by Neutrino


GLH Returns.....:eek: :D

Yep. Although the GLH namesake must be saved for a rather staid looking hatchback painted black and silver. Retain the FF drivetrain, strip out the interior, and give it the sort of handling that only real drivers can handle. None of this "Idiot Proof" nonsense. Only real, serious, kidney belt comes standard, eye twitch handling.

Originally posted by Octagon


Yep. Although the GLH namesake must be saved for a rather staid looking hatchback painted black and silver. Retain the FF drivetrain, strip out the interior, and give it the sort of handling that only real drivers can handle. None of this "Idiot Proof" nonsense. Only real, serious, kidney belt comes standard, eye twitch handling.

It wouldn't "go like hell" otherwise. :D

Polygon, did you ever get your wrecked baby back?

Nope.

I was never able to get the windows covered to save the interior. I am sure it is trashed by now from the weather.

I am just going to buy the trunk and the rear bumper back for the new one.

Hmm, if those are the screw type hubcaps, would you mind scoring them for me? I'll pay top dollar ;)

Someone stole mine while it was parked in front of my house under a car cover :huh:

They're A.R.E. wheels, made by American Racing/American Eagle etc... Just noticed :)

First off.. i can spell quite well as i was having a keyboard problem

second .. i've driven several Srt-4 and as my Nephew pointed out it depends on your point of reference.. when i pull up in the Ws6 or the Zr1 of course the Srt is gonna feel tinlike and unrefined.. i got a chance t retry one after coming out of a Stock IS300 5 speed.. i test drove with a 300 lbs Black male sales person and a my newpew 140lbs and i weigh 219...
i does feel like it puls i only and i mean only kept my eye on the speedo.. just not impressive i slowly creeps up the speedo while the exhaust snorts and the bov pisses i'ts nimble but unprecise it does not corner flat and i don't think that in 85+ degree temp it live anywhere near 14.2 1/4mile times.

And if yu guys really wanted an awsome Dode i guess everyone ( including Dode) forgot the RAZOR
kick ass 250 hp rwd all business interior Nice clean but no unneccesary power options.. that car was supposed to lst out at 15-17k and it was hat .. could trot and ifit had ben built would have stolen th Mustangs market as the new compact pony car..

I remeber the days of the GLH and probably am one of the few to own a myriad of early dodge( not mitsu ) turbo's.. i know this each Srt 4 did not impress me.. though the last one seemed more "able than the rest" whick tells me that there are some inconsistencies with production and the interiors were actually quite nice.. and the exterior areneons but aren't all that bad they did the best they could considering it was a flwer child smily ccar when it first came out

JMHO
Spyk

have you considered replying to the actual topic that you were talking about, as opposed to some other random topic?

please tell me how you've driven several srt4s, as they are BRAND SPANKING NEW, and few dealers have them.

and for the record, there aren't many mods for them, as i'm referring to your post in the subaru imprezza forum.

which is, i'm sure, where this post was meant to go.

so spyk, the fact you have 660lbs of people in the car you think that a sportCOMPACT is going to be able to still do the times it advertises? While your WS6 has enough power to pull hard even under a good deal of weight, the neon relies on a keeping a very low weight to keep the hp/weight ratio fairly high

i'm loving your ricer math...
nice stuff...
First off.. i can spell quite well as i was having a keyboard problem :rolleyes:

And if yu guys really wanted an awsome Dode i guess everyone ( including Dode) forgot the RAZOR. kick ass 250 hp rwd all business interior Nice clean but no unneccesary power options.. that car was supposed to lst out at 15-17k and it was hat .. could trot and ifit had ben built would have stolen th Mustangs market as the new compact pony car..

these are from the same post... hmm....


you're ranting and raving over there... calm down.. breath, type slowly

Originally posted by Cbass
Hmm, if those are the screw type hubcaps, would you mind scoring them for me? I'll pay top dollar ;)

Someone stole mine while it was parked in front of my house under a car cover :huh:

They're A.R.E. wheels, made by American Racing/American Eagle etc... Just noticed :)

I know this is a little late man, but I tried getting some off it, but he sold my so called "ugly wheels." Everything under the engine bay is gone, the wheels are gone, the diver's side door is off, and the tailliaghts are gone. I figure I'd better get the bumper and the trunk lid ASAP.

I'll look around for those center caps. I am looking around wrecking yards. I am sure I can find something.

Oh i understand.. that weight means a hell of alot to thr Srt4 performance..

i was trying to say that the last Srt4 i tested felt better than th previos were it was me and just a "normal 180lb ' saleman

Figuring the car will be out on a date .. with a buddy i feel that a 2 person situation more readily represents the cars ability not a 1/8 of a tank of gas a skinny 130lbs driver..

A car from the factory should be tested with full curb weight and a healthy driver.. not a child

for instance the Last 01-02Ws6 Automatics were tested at a whopping 3650 lb .. mine weighs in 3370 and they got 13.01 -13.9 in ten passes.. that real world test and it showed the whole world including the Ford boys the LS1 true magic.. even the 03 Cobra is hard pressed to consistantly hit sub 13

But as i said and i'll reiterate.. watch the speedo if you get the chance to drive one..
I'm not saying its not a fast for what it is car and for the money i'd have to seriosly think about buying it.. but its not all that not in hot temps were i BELIEVE this motor is temperature sensitive than other turbo's like the WRX

peerhaps thats an easy fix

all i can honestly say after driving the Srt4 and getting into my modded Spec v i felt i could take one.. call it ego call t familiarity with my spec v but that doesn't say much for the Srt4

Lets put it this way.. i've had one on my ass in traffic and lost it.. but that could well be driver and luck the SPec is no slouch in the handling department.. and has a good deal of available torque

go on now flame away..
did anyone confirm Fairbanks Dodge having over 20+ Srt4 on the lot as we speak?
i have no need to lie nor worry about an Srt 4 my big guns only come out for money.

To correct my recent previos post ..Pontiac erformance got between 13.01 and 13.11 thats a variance of only .1 in ten or more passes with 2 occupants and 80 degree temperature .. for inquiring minds

and i'm fully awar that Na and Turbo engines react differently totemp situations.. though all engines run better in the cold where air density allows for more timing and fuel in a properly tuned and sensored car

peace
Spyk

I've beaten a stock Sentra Spec V in my Vision. I think that a stock SRT-4 would have no problem taking out a lightly moded one.

No need to flame ya, everybody is entilted to their own opinion. Weight is a big deal when pulling in 0-60 and 1/4mile times, specifically for sport compacts. The same thing is transversable for motorcycles, just about every 1/4 mile timesheet you see listed from magazines and manufacturers, have a 130-150lb rider. While in real life my 185lb ass really doesn't add too much to the picture, and my 1/4 mile times and such would basically be the same. However looking at it from a advertising standpoint, having a good deal lower times will always look better and sell more, then a high "average" driving situation time.

Was ytour Vision Stock???

and difine litely modded Spec v a shot ram a cataesll and exhaust allows that torque monter to breathe.. they tweek the timing.. an you have a real mean N?A 2.5liter spec v wich is infinitely lighter..

Sorry pall my SPec v has beaten .. YES beasten Srt4 in 85 * temps...it s turbo is very apperently temperature sensitcve to the tune of 1/5 second easily..

Yes i see you are a Dodge turbo man.. i suses to own a shelby charger turbo. and a Colt Gts turbo 4x2 in myyouth as well as a Glh.. sorry the Srt4 at my dalership are sitting on the lots not moving at all

a Spec v at 16.700 it a far better buy and for less than 1 grand can be a screamer.. with it toplimiter remoed stock it capable of 146 mph

Originally posted by Spyk
i have no need to lie nor worry about an Srt 4 my big guns only come out for money.

Aren't you a police officer or something???:confused:

I'lllet you in on a little secret ..we have groups of officer that race for money..we have conty surveyors make off the 1/4 mile and use late night untraveled roads. both windig and straight.. its in out blood..its as American as apple pie ... untill this Fast and Furious thing got out of hand and law makers passed stingent laws for community races.... we are LEO's..even if caugth we'd get a slap on the wrist

Hence my midnight shift ..being tired and IR board causeing splling prolems.. you know damn well that what i say makes perfect sence

15 years .. Drag. Scca Imsa

i've seen it all

Hooked on phonics man, seriously, buy those tapes.

And get a new keyboard if thats your excuse, they don't cost much.

a Spec v at 16.700 it a far better buy and for less than 1 grand can be a screamer.. with it toplimiter remoed stock it capable of 146 mph

and considering the neon is in the same or better price range and runs 14.2...

damn...

that's almost comparable...

what would it cost to get a spec v to run 14.2 if it runs the 16.7 you say it does?

for the same money, you get a car at least a second faster, and if you put 1k into both, the neon will still eat the spec v.

no logic.
sorry.
you lose.

Originally posted by DeViL
Hooked on phonics man, seriously, buy those tapes.

And get a new keyboard if thats your excuse, they don't cost much.

hey now not this type of post again...

but seriously just had a funny thing i heard yesterday. the dodge dealer by my work said that the srt4 is only legal in 2 states: california and florida. florida i could understand but cali. fuck if its legal in cali its legal everywhere... personally i really like the new dodges buti think id rather have a wrx but for the price i relaly dont think it is beatable.

-GTi-VR6_A3

You re not to bright.


it was realeased in Florida and cali.. not legal..many people have ordered the car site unsceen
beleiving the hype


I have for the lasst time driven severalSrt4 and made direct comparisons.. but it and waste you money a cool Noen smily face... HI.. as tthe old commercial said.. its a girls car

in cold weather states..

its legal everywhere Einstien..

and screw you... it is my Ir Key board and changing it to another won't help.. i sit 30' from my Crt or anywhere in the room.. so lets see you do that without speelcheck at usually 5-6am coming off an12 hour LEO shift..( thats Law enforcement officer)

You seem to get the jist of everything i say.. so stop you belly aching... what you think you are smarter than me because you're right upon yur CRT and use spell check.. please..

i came here to let you in on the truth the dodge is super temp sensitive.. i've yet to see one braek a 14.8 or sub 6 second 0-60.. Mustangs chew it up (stock) all day.. and thats stock Mustangs GT)

so you buy hooked on phonics pal
141 Iq.. and i was an all math man.. Iq doesn't accurately measure math strong people.. but keep the digs..


Illegal in all but Florida and cali.. sound like you were taken for a ride.. it caan be shipped anywhere.. and you can order it over the phone like Ebay

and they are slow compared to their tested times.. if my Spec v without nos beat one.. you know it it's no 14.2 car

there was my keyboard closer to the Crt improved... still not using spell check or proofing..what for you jerks


lastly if you actually knew what an IR board was you'd realize that you tv controls are made of th same thing and how many times does your TV not pick up the IR signal.. thats Infrared for the illiterate.

You fucking understood everything i wrote but you're one of those inferiority complex dudes that feels better pointing out others mistakes... drive through my Counties and see how you get written up for everyting from seatbelt.. to dirty tag.. hell i'll through mud on it.. to 5 mile over the limit

SPyk

cool
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what kinda truth are we talking about...
condescending shit you talk here my friend.

for someone who's ex-military, as you claim...

you sure talk some shit.

from your bullshit pm's to me... here ya go mr spyk.

per spyk's pm's to me.

Listen palthe laws of physic also invovled Awd.. there is a 1/2 second different in the 0-60 time of the Wrx and Srt 4.. form an off the line race and with some slick shifting .. i was and am able to smoke the Famed Srt4..

also physic.. the dodge turbo is far more sensitive to heat ( amb temp ) than the Wrx9 being a rally champ).... i could give a rats ass wht you beieve.. i've beaten Srt4 in tmy spec v WIThOUT NOS


you see to think that a car is the decideing factor.. its the syboisis od driver and car that wins einstien.. the Srt4 is not that fast..fast yes but the Wsx off the line has little problem with it.. notice all vidoes are from a roll..taking the Wrx most important assest away from it..

don't pm me unless yu can rsolve the tempsensitivity and awd issues..otherwise..YOU ARE wrong.. My 300hp 3700lbs Lincoln sport package with select shift beats a Srt4 froma 60 mph roll.. an i mean shreds it badly.. leaves it in the dust..literalyyly.. the Vete (zr1 and Ws6 ) nail is by over30 cars in the 1/4

i've ben racng sonny for over 15 years.... the Srt4 is Junk

you want tot put up parametes.. my spec v froma dead stop in 85 * temp pulls an Sr by a car to 110 mph


bull shit my friend. srt4 is junk?

then why is it faster? right.

pm #2

from the same guy who's such a badass b/c i'm not military...


You are incredibly cocky for a civilian..sonny

i mearly and not directly pointed out that thee are factors thatt many misss in the Srt 4 vs WRX.. i could give a flying fuck about you or your opinions.. i know i drove them .. many i see them on the lot ..i've swittched with my frieds that havescoobys..

my facts are real world where your are magazine based.. a far cry..

i was mearly trying to expalin the vairables.. that could make the 2 cars similarly fast ... try racing your belovedSrt4 with a wrx from a stand still.. get ready to snap you neck on the Wrx

I think you are the one that can't conside any point of view other than you own..

stubborn is what they call t.. enjoy you sloww ass car.. or cars... you wish you had cars half and i mean half as fast as me and the experience to drag/ scca and Imsa..

Have a nice day jerk off





and this guy wants me, or anyone else on this board to take him seriously?
right. nice try.

who's the jerkoff?

the thing that kills me is that this guy is the same guy that, in the domestic vs. import thread...

went off on how imports suck compared to domestics.

now you turn tail.

wtf is your deal?

pent up aggression or something?

take it out on people who put you in your place?

don't ever fucking call me sonny.

what?????????????????

that wasn't at you, if that's what your "what" is about.

oh ok sorry

Sonny

poor guy.. i am a domaestic man.. a real domestic man V-8 and extreme hp domestics..

you are an idiaot

temp sensitivity effecteven intercooled turbo'ss eisttien..

to make a comparison the s/c not turbo charge Ford far poorly against Na Gm in warm weather .. then when in GA.. they took us for a real battle.. so yur intercooled mitsu holds no water.. all intercoolers have varing degrees of sensitivity . the Wrx does not have as a problem like thwe Srt4...

You think i wouldn't want the srt4 bad ass... i'll repeAT MAG RACER I'VE DRIVEN SEVERAL SRT4 AND THEY DON'T PULL LIKE THE wRX.. SORRY ITS A FACT.. MY i/h e TIMING/ WITH NITTO'S sPC V.. WAS WAITING WITH MY PAL IN A TEEST DRIVRE AND HE IS AS GOOD A DRIVER AS THEY COME..

AND HE BEET THE sRT4.. PROOF IS IN REALITY



I HAVE A SPLIT PERSONALITY.?. I AM JUST SCHOOLING YOU SONNY.. YOU KNOW SHIT ABPOUT VARIABLES HUMIDITY TEMP.. TRACTION.. YOU THINKA CAR WINS RACE .. IT A A CAR AND A DRIVER THAT DOES.. YOU FUCKING IDIOT


AS FAR AS THE SPLIT PERSONALITY YOU COULD HAvebeen cordial..and responded in a mature mannor

but you chose to act as though your one car fleet autocroser
make you an expert.. cars perform all types of performance .. you don't seem to underatand that sonny


Yeah don't take me serious .. i only have proff , dyno'd pictures registrations..and so on

i wouldn't take you seriously.. i wouldn't let you change my oil or plugs.. for you'd surely fuck up thosesimple tasks..

Keep mag racing Sonny

proof? of what exactly?

you don't have proof of shit.

i've got Magazine proof. of 1/4 times.

then there's that pesky video in this thread to contend with...

oh, yeah, you forgot that.

cordial?

you pm me starting shit, and then wonder why i'm not cordial with you?

right.

i'd fuck up menial tasks, like what, rebuilding most of my car?

right.

get off your domestic high horse and realize that it's not the only shit on the market.

you're a domestic guy, yet you put down the srt4 to whole heartedly defend the import.

sense? making.... none...

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i'm a ricer punk now huh?

you've got some big fucking issues to deal with spyk.

serious fucking issues.

and i said i autocross when?

never.

i said my car was the shit when? not once ever.

never have i claimed my car to be better than anything.

not ever.

grow the fuck up for being so much older and more mature.

taking a bullet in the war doesn't make you better.

being a cop doesn't make you better.

if you're a dick, it doesn't matter if you're the pope. you're still a dick.

sorry.

no need to swear

stay out of it.

it's amazing what newbies can say here... (not you farhod)

can we just talk about cars

this thread is a bit beyond cars my friend. the topic has been discussed, but one side of this arguement wants to take it past cars, like his past matters.

for being a racer for 15 yrs and what not, you'd think there'd be more respect.

and besides, i've done nothing to EVER present myself as a ricer on this board, and i usually side with domestics.

so i'm a ricer how spyk?

what did i do that rubbed you the wrong way...

or did you have a bad day at work...