Scared about war?

Well, this kinda is more aimed at Americans overall, but it applies to everyone for the most part. Well, first of all, i'd like to say that I am scared. I am scared of the war that may begin between the US and Iraq. I am afraid for my family and friends that could die because of more terror attacks. I am afraid of the media, who are telling us about future smallpox attacks and such. I am afraid that if we do go to war, it will turn into a world war, and then begin a nuclear war. The truth is, I am only a small bit into my life, and I am just afraid of dying young. I don't want to die at 15. Its not fair that i have to feel this way. I just don't see why we all can't just get along. How do you guys (everyone) feel about how the earth stands in this present time?

Without getting into my *ambitious* Political ramblings, I'm scared, too. I hate the idea of the U.S. being the leader in World War III. That's just horrible. And like the saying goes: World War III will be fought with a Nuclear arsenal. World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones. :o

Sure, no one cares about the fact that it's MY generation going off to a war that no one supports. How many people DID NOT WANT ANYTHING to do with Vietnam??? Can't they see how similar this all is? It's a war that everyone knows will be the end of the world. :(

I am scared out of my mind. :(

Nope

i'm most afraid that when/if this war is fought, it won't be a foreign war, it'll happen here in the US. We'll see that we aren't untouchable because of distance, and most people won't be willing to accept that... it's gonna suck...

I'm scared, but God bless the people overthere in iraq, and turkey and everware else.

I am deeply disturbed by the prospect of war.I don't see New Zealand getting involved at this stage,or becoming a target for terrorism,but the potential for the U.S. to drag us all into a major conflict between two cultures is ,to say the least,daunting.Bombs and tanks do not change attitudes,they only harden them.Frankly I don't care about who did what to whom and why,but I believe that the terror attacks of Sept 11th should have been seen as a lesson in the horrors of war,rather than an invitation to start an even bigger one.The U.S. mainland has so far escaped relatively lightly in times of war,but I can't see that being the case if George Bush makes a unilateral stand in the Middle East.

Some seem to believe that this conflict will somehow lead to WWIII. I just don't see that happening. Well, it'll be like WWI I thnk. At the beginning of the war, it wasn't known as a World War, but then the US got involved and so it started. Same with the Second World War...it was mainly Europe but then Japan and the US came. I can see this happening. This time, I somehow don't see the US ending and if they do, it won't be like the others. I do not however fear the war. If it breaks loose, fine. Let it be...the time was coming sometime sooner. I wish it didn't happen but whatever. It is possible that the US could end this rather fast, but we won't. The oil is far to precious. Yes, the oil...

I think its dumb, that many other places that have terrorism just shrug it off and go on with there lives. But as soon as it happens to the US, the people that did it have to be stopped. Everyone else just deals with it. I disagree with EVERYONE in the US. They all think the US is so damn badass and good. But the truth is, we aren't. Its like our nation thinks they are better than everyone else, but we aren't. Everyone is equal, and nobody sees tht. I guess we could be the world's police, but why can't another country do that? When i turn 18, i want to get my ass out of here and move to NZ, Canada, or Austrailia. That will let me get away from all this bullshit. Thank you all for sharing your opinions, it makes me feel so much better that there are people who are scared like me. We are all in this together, and if its our time to go, so be it. Thank you all.

Some seem to believe that this conflict will somehow lead to WWIII. I just don't see that happening. Well, it'll be like WWI I thnk. At the beginning of the war, it wasn't known as a World War, but then the US got involved and so it started. Same with the Second World War...it was mainly Europe but then Japan and the US came. I can see this happening. This time, I somehow don't see the US ending and if they do, it won't be like the others. I do not however fear the war. If it breaks loose, fine. Let it be...the time was coming sometime sooner. I wish it didn't happen but whatever. It is possible that the US could end this rather fast, but we won't. The oil is far to precious. Yes, the oil...
I totally agree. Almost everyone I know is freaking out about this b/c they think its WWIII and the world is gonna come to an end. I just keep telling them just b/c the word "war" is being used doesn't mean "world war". Look at all the wars in the past: Civil War, Revolutionary War, Vietnam War, etc. I'm not saying I'm not worried about the war, b/c it is scary. Everyone thinks that Bush and Saddam need to meet and Saddam has said he wants to have a debate....to me it wouldn't solve or fix anything b/c Saddam cannot be trusted. IMO though I think N. Korea may be a bigger threat at this point due to the fact that they kicked out the U.N. officials(seems like they have something to hide by doing this). Hopefully everything goes better than expected. Oh well, this post has been a little long but I just thought I'd state my opinion.

No. I am not afraid of war with Iraq... Actually, I think that the real threat lies in North Korea. We've had problems with them in the past as we've had with Iraq, but I think N Korea is more of a threat.

except we've occupied north korea for ... a long time now. and if anything starts it will be over in, literally, minutes. in that case, most people don't think that china would back them either... so, they're in a pickle if they really try to do something.

Well Ryan you said when your 18 you are leaving this country? and you disagree with all Americans? I say go for it because speaking for myself and tens of thousands of other former/current military I think you need to grow up or get out. Anyone who is not afriad of war is a idiot in my opinion and should be avoided. This war will happen but when is up to the powers that be. I've been saying this for years that a major conflict is going to take place not to long after the turn of the century. I understand everyone has their own opinions but they should base them on something tangible not lunitic ravings or rantings. School kids marching against war? Where do they get those ideas? At early ages parents whine and moan about things and then the kids take those views without having the oppertunity to form their own ideas. How do my 3 kids feel? I'll bet they feel the same way as I do because I am normally outspoken however I do tell them to learn why I feel the way I do before taking my side and I always welcome them to debate my views. When they just say they "feel that way" without having anything to base it on then time spent debating them would be worthless. I've found that the majority of school age kids these days have no manners or respect for anyone else or anyone elses property regardless of where they live, race, financial means etc. The kids that I hope to see as future leaders of our country are the ones that get involved in their communities, inlist in the military, stay in school and off of drugs. To those I tip my hat. When I see local car clubs passing thru my small town they usually have young members. These are kids that have built/purchased their own cars and not kids that Mom or Dad has bought everything for them. Hmm well excuse the length of this reply. Sometimes kids just get under my skin. :P

Yes, I am afraid of war, but as stated earlier by another, anyone who is not is disturbed himself/herself. I may not want the war to occur, but if this is the way it is meant to be, it is the way it is meant to be. If God should have me die at the hands of those I do not know, then that's how it goes. I turn 18 in september, and am scared to death of the re-inactment of the draft, which some say may or may not happen. Should I be drafted to serve my country in times of war, I will make sure that anyone and everyone I have ever cared about knows as much, and knows how much I will always love them, because you can never guarantee coming home from such a thing as a war. But as I said, If I must fight for this country through means of being inlisted by the Government, that is my fate and I will embrace it.

Chances of the draft being reinstated are slim to none. We have more then ample military personnel currently. I've never met a soldier who wanted to go to war. Most want to be soldiers to deter war. Lets just pray it doesn't come to that. However my gut instincts tell me we will. God Bless those men and woman.

I'm glad I live in a country were we do think 9/11 is a big deal and we don't just get over it and accept it as part of everyday. I'm glad we choose to fight terrorists instead of taking thier shit like other countries. I don't want to live somewhere were a terrorist bombing is just what happens and is acceptable.
As for WWIII I think you all have your imagination going to much. Maybe if Saddam was lucky he could get a Vietnam out of it. Where do you honestly think a WW will come from? I just don't get what you people are thinking.
I don't think we should be going to war right now with Iraq there is no need. I agree N. Korea is a much scarier and real threat.

Originally posted by 1985_BMW318i
Well Ryan you said when your 18 you are leaving this country? and you disagree with all Americans? I say go for it because speaking for myself and tens of thousands of other former/current military I think you need to grow up or get out. Anyone who is not afriad of war is a idiot in my opinion and should be avoided. This war will happen but when is up to the powers that be. I've been saying this for years that a major conflict is going to take place not to long after the turn of the century. I understand everyone has their own opinions but they should base them on something tangible not lunitic ravings or rantings. School kids marching against war? Where do they get those ideas? At early ages parents whine and moan about things and then the kids take those views without having the oppertunity to form their own ideas. How do my 3 kids feel? I'll bet they feel the same way as I do because I am normally outspoken however I do tell them to learn why I feel the way I do before taking my side and I always welcome them to debate my views. When they just say they "feel that way" without having anything to base it on then time spent debating them would be worthless. I've found that the majority of school age kids these days have no manners or respect for anyone else or anyone elses property regardless of where they live, race, financial means etc. The kids that I hope to see as future leaders of our country are the ones that get involved in their communities, inlist in the military, stay in school and off of drugs. To those I tip my hat. When I see local car clubs passing thru my small town they usually have young members. These are kids that have built/purchased their own cars and not kids that Mom or Dad has bought everything for them. Hmm well excuse the length of this reply. Sometimes kids just get under my skin. :P

Hmm...I see where you are coming from. If I was an asshole i'd tell you to f*** off. But I'm not. I guess I exaggerated quite a bit. I won't leave this country, although at sometimes i wish i could. Just to get away from the fear that is inside me. I am scared of war, but i guess if its time to die then its time to die. I shouldn't have to leave this country and leave all of my family and friends behind. To me, now that i look at it twice, thats pretty selfish. I am sorry if i offended you at all. I respect all adults, and i respect your words. Thanks.

Well i think this war is scarry but our military strength will crush Iraq like nothing. Its not the actual war im afrad of its whats gona happond after the war. Besides Iraq is not even close to as scarry as N. Korea. those mofo's are insane. I do agree with the children these days im only in my early mid 20's but i understand how i felt when i was in highschool and what i realy cared about. Most of the protesting is BS, some might acturly mean it but alot of it is just an excuse to not have class and cause noise. There is just too dam much politics involved for me to realy agree more with us going into war with Iraq. Im just afrade that after we have occupied Iraq then what are we gona make them all change and be better ppl love the US "we have come to free you"!??!?! after this so called war is when the real fighting will begin thats what im afrade of. alot of inoccent ppl are gona get hurt i just hope everone i love and care about will be safe. :) :)

Point of information...I'm a kid. I think all those protesters are idiots too. So yeah...

Just to let you know also...I'm in this club called Model United Nations. Makes more sense for me to put that in the UN thread, but figure I'd throw that out here too. Going to Model Arab League tomorrow so I get to debate this same issue from their point-of-view. Fun! Just, thought I'd throw that out there. :D

Well Ryan I apologize as well. Its easy to have heated discussions during times like this. I'll admit I'm scared. I've got a son that has just inlisted as well as a nephew in the Navy Seals. I worry about them all the time. Lets just pray that we can find a way to avoid war if not this time maybe in time for our grandkids. Prayer never hurts

Originally posted by GTStang
I'm glad I live in a country were we do think 9/11 is a big deal and we don't just get over it and accept it as part of everyday. I'm glad we choose to fight terrorists instead of taking thier shit like other countries. I don't want to live somewhere were a terrorist bombing is just what happens and is acceptable.
As for WWIII I think you all have your imagination going to much. Maybe if Saddam was lucky he could get a Vietnam out of it. Where do you honestly think a WW will come from? I just don't get what you people are thinking.
I don't think we should be going to war right now with Iraq there is no need. I agree N. Korea is a much scarier and real threat.

Without sounding like too much of an asshole, 9/11 was not truly found to be linked to Saddam, so why is it again that he's such a threat??? Not to mention that they wouldn't have attacked us if we weren't always in everyone else's business.

As for the WWIII notion, have you heard of a lil pissed-off country named France??? Germany??? Right now, if anything breaks loose, we've got the Iraqi's pissed off at us, and what makes you think that N. Korea won't take advantage of the fact that we'll already be at war??? This is not a good situation we've dug ourselves into.

Originally posted by saturntangerine
As for the WWIII notion, have you heard of a lil pissed-off country named France??? Germany??? Right now, if anything breaks loose, we've got the Iraqi's pissed off at us, and what makes you think that N. Korea won't take advantage of the fact that we'll already be at war??? This is not a good situation we've dug ourselves into.

France huh? Oh...right! I remember them! "We surrender!" Ok, wasn't sure who you meant. Germany you say? Yeah...along with China and some others. Hey, the other thread on Should the US be in the UN...no! Everyone seems to be pissed at us!!! WWIII is possible, but like i said, it'll end up like WWI. At first, it wasn't a WW but over time everyone somehow gets involved. Of course this time, nations would almost be glad to jump in. Would we have 2 other nations that support us like before? Britain and...oh, Canada! Did you know they had a warship!?!

Originally posted by saturntangerine


Without sounding like too much of an asshole, 9/11 was not truly found to be linked to Saddam, so why is it again that he's such a threat??? Not to mention that they wouldn't have attacked us if we weren't always in everyone else's business.


Congratulations,Tangie.I was beginning to despair of ever finding an American bold enough to accept some responsibility for their countries' actions.Sept 11 was not an act of war by another nation,it was a terror attack by a fundamentalist group pissed off at the .U.S.

Bush has seized upon the fear and anger created by this attack to progress an entirely different agenda.The U.S. has the most comprehensive intelligence service on the planet.At a fraction of the cost of a full-scale war, the U.S. COULD locate and extract the leaders of Al Quaeda from any part of the world.A couple of good sized rewards would be all that are needed to secure the neccesary information.But Bush is determined to reshape the Middle East into a string of western-style democracies with tame government.That is the scary part.

(But Bush is determined to reshape the Middle East into a string of western-style democracies with tame government.That is the scary part.)

Why is turning ruthless dicatorships into democracies scary? It works well for us and we would not have it any other way. As far as 911 goes it just proved that we cannot let our guard down ever again and if that means preemptive attacks on Iraq or another nation that threatens the US then we'll take them. Simple as that, like it or not. Who's gonna stop us? Quite simply there is no nation which can or would even attempt to stop us.

In my opinion, if we go to war with Iraq, the U.S. will definately crush Iraq. They don't have the technology/manpower to hold up against us. BUT...I think that in the process, a lot of american soldiers will die. Who knows what kinda weapons Iraq has, chemical, nuclear, etc. But then again, the U.S. probably has these weapons too.

Thats my opinion on this.

Originally posted by 1985_BMW318i
(But Bush is determined to reshape the Middle East into a string of western-style democracies with tame government.That is the scary part.)

Why is turning ruthless dicatorships into democracies scary? It works well for us and we would not have it any other way. As far as 911 goes it just proved that we cannot let our guard down ever again and if that means preemptive attacks on Iraq or another nation that threatens the US then we'll take them. Simple as that, like it or not. Who's gonna stop us? Quite simply there is no nation which can or would even attempt to stop us.

Sums up nicely the absolute arrogance of the patriot mentality.I didn't say that it couldn't be done,I argue that it shouldn't be done.Pre-emptive attacks is a nice term,but there is not a shred of evidence that the Iraqi authorities pose any active threat to the U.S.If Bush invades Iraq,he is worse than a dictator,the rest of the world does not sanction such a move and there is no way that it can be justified as a defensive action.Quite frankly the leadership of other countries is none of Uncle Sam's business.Bush is a fraud and a liar.He needs to be dumped as soon as possible.

were goin to war for sure....................nostradamus even predicted it...........



"In the City of God there will be a great thunder,
Two brothers torn apart by Chaos,
while the fortress endures,
the great leader will succumb,
The third big war will begin when the big city is burning"

if its gonna happen then we gonna die and thats all there is to it..............

Originally posted by 1985_BMW318i
(But Bush is determined to reshape the Middle East into a string of western-style democracies with tame government.That is the scary part.)

Why is turning ruthless dicatorships into democracies scary? It works well for us and we would not have it any other way. As far as 911 goes it just proved that we cannot let our guard down ever again and if that means preemptive attacks on Iraq or another nation that threatens the US then we'll take them. Simple as that, like it or not. Who's gonna stop us? Quite simply there is no nation which can or would even attempt to stop us.

I agree slightly with Naki and here is why: Yes, we should watch ourselves and not let our guard down BUT to make war towards a country that may be a threat in the future is somewhat perplexing to me. They have yet to engage any American troops in Kuwait, this is being done by other groups. And when we first got onto the subject of Iraq, it was almost as if President Bush wanted something more, as though starting this "war on terrorism" meant doing everything at once, in this I mean disarming everyone he feels is or may in the future be a threat. I myself had no idea Iraq was such a threat until President Bush made the case against them. In fact, I am still bothered by the question of when did they all of a sudden jump to the top of the US priority list?
As stated previous, yes, protect the US from present threats to peace such as N. Korea, but dont go looking for war with a country that has yet to pose a very serious threat to the national security of the United States. Some may say my opinions on such subjects as this are unpatriotic, I say that they merely question patriotism in that if we indeed love this country, why would we put the women and men of it at risk, and put it in harms way with war when diplomacy would spare so many lives? I think that makes sense, it sounded better in my head:rolleyes:

Originally posted by De$i Gank$ta
...nostradamus even predicted it...........



"In the City of God there will be a great thunder,
Two brothers torn apart by Chaos,
while the fortress endures,
the great leader will succumb,
The third big war will begin when the big city is burning"

if its gonna happen then we gonna die and thats all there is to it..............

I read somewhere that that quote was falsified and was proved as never being said by Nostradamus. But this does not matter because I do not believe in the Prophecies of Nostradamus.

yep just check it out........you were right.........

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fakery was piled on in later versions that now included all of the text quoted in the Example section above but now concluded with:



On the 11th day of the 9 month,
two metal birds will crash into two tall statues
in the new city,
and the world will end soon after.




Similarly, another enhanced version incorporates the "Example" text quoted above into a more detailed prophecy:



And Nostradamus predicted this (who knows how long ago):

In the year of the new century and nine months,
From the sky will come a great King of Terror.
The sky will burn at forty-five degrees.
Fire approaches the great new city


In the city of york there will be a great collapse,
2 twin brothers torn apart by chaos
while the fortress falls; the great leader will succumb;
third big war will begin when the big city is burning




This "prophecy" is bogus. The second quatrain is entirely made-up, and the first quatrain is composed of lines taken from two completely different prophecies of Nostradamus' linked together for effect (Lines referencing "Normans" and "Mongols" which have no plausible application to current events have been excised by whoever concatenated these two pieces.) The first two lines are from a verse which describes events that would supposedly have taken place in July of 1999 (not September of 2001) and has long since been associated with a wide variety of occurrences -- both real and fictional. (An excellent dissertation on this "prediction" can be found here.)

The only thing that's remotely real here is that the second two lines of the first quatrain are taken from what is often cited as a Nostradamus writing identified as Century 6, Quatrain 97:


Cinq et quarante degrez ciel bruslera
Feu approcher de la grand cité neuve
Instant grand flamme esparse sautera
Quand on voudra des Normans faire preuue.



An approximate English translation would be:


Five and forty steps the sky will burn
Fire approaching the large new city
Instantly a great thin flame will leap
When someone will want to test the Normans.

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Quite interestin'...did you also hear about Bat Boy? They found him again!

Sorry, but that's where they normally appear. The Prophecies. I never have taken account to much into prophecies. But then again...I love Revealations. If you read it, then make a calendar out of the chapters and verses it's quite interesting. But then again, you can match almost anything with prophecies since they are so vagued. The world will end...probably by fire in some way...but that could happen anytime. I rather keep the future in mystery and not think about it too much. Like the war, if it comes, I'm called to duty, but probably won't 'cause I'll be in Naval Academy, but I'll fight when the time comes. 'Cause, I 've seen in all these posts, people say they are afraid, some not, but I'm sure it affects you either way. Whether you watch the news a lot worryin' or that you're just kind of goin' with the flow. Havin' the ability to still enjoy life. I don't know, I'm not scared, but I worry for others. My parents seem to be scared enough. Same with some others, scared of being drafted, that war might come here. I just try not to let it bother me so I can live out now if there's no tomorrow.

-Blu Zircon

Originally posted by Damien
I just try not to let it bother me so I can live out now if there's no tomorrow.

Nicely said..

Originally posted by 1985_BMW318i
Well Ryan I apologize as well. Its easy to have heated discussions during times like this. I'll admit I'm scared. I've got a son that has just inlisted as well as a nephew in the Navy Seals. I worry about them all the time. Lets just pray that we can find a way to avoid war if not this time maybe in time for our grandkids. Prayer never hurts

Well i wish the best of luck to your son and nephew. May god be with them and keep them safe. I hope they serve our nation well in these hard times. Stay strong bro.

Originally posted by saturntangerine


Without sounding like too much of an asshole, 9/11 was not truly found to be linked to Saddam, so why is it again that he's such a threat??? Not to mention that they wouldn't have attacked us if we weren't always in everyone else's business.

As for the WWIII notion, have you heard of a lil pissed-off country named France??? Germany??? Right now, if anything breaks loose, we've got the Iraqi's pissed off at us, and what makes you think that N. Korea won't take advantage of the fact that we'll already be at war??? This is not a good situation we've dug ourselves into.

Agreed! I don't see what everyone has against Iraq, what right does America have to go to another country and demand they destroy all their weapons or else? This is why things like september 11 happen, because the US is too arrogant, and pushy, and if anyone isn't doing what THEY (the US) think is right, they start "asking" for compliance to their beliefs.

Ya know, I just started thinking the samething this morning. Why is the US attacking Iraq? I mean, I can underwstand the hatred and all, not to mention what Saddam stands for and what's been going on but what have they done to the US recently enough that they need to go in and take them out pretty much. Come on! North Korea has freakin' nuclear programs up and running and decalring it like they just found $20 on the floor!!! They know somewhat of what they got, but still, what have they done? Where's the motivation to put that lightly? I want to take out Iraq just as much...well, at least Saddam, make it a democracy, so oil is cheaper here and fillin' up the 'Bring won't cost as much wih it's V-8 but still!!! WHY!?! I must ask. Why? There are bigger fish right now not afriad of usin' what they've got. At least Saddma hasn't made threats yet or is showin' off what he has and what he night do with it.

Originally posted by Damien
Ya know, I just started thinking the samething this morning. Why is the US attacking Iraq? I mean, I can underwstand the hatred and all, not to mention what Saddam stands for and what's been going on but what have they done to the US recently enough that they need to go in and take them out pretty much. Come on! North Korea has freakin' nuclear programs up and running and decalring it like they just found $20 on the floor!!! They know somewhat of what they got, but still, what have they done? Where's the motivation to put that lightly? I want to take out Iraq just as much...well, at least Saddam, make it a democracy, so oil is cheaper here and fillin' up the 'Bring won't cost as much wih it's V-8 but still!!! WHY!?! I must ask. Why? There are bigger fish right now not afriad of usin' what they've got. At least Saddma hasn't made threats yet or is showin' off what he has and what he night do with it.

See, this guy gets it, how is it that nobody on Capitol Hill does?

The reason that I think North Korea isn't as much of a threat as Iraq is because they've always had these weapons, and everyone's known that for years. Even though they say they're gonna use them, I really don't think they're actually that stupid to actually use them. Take this for example, If 2 people in 2 different places walk into a bank...They both have guns, one of them yells out to everyone "I have a gun and i'm gonna use it!" and the other hides the gun in his jacket. Which one is a bigger threat? In the scenario where the person tells everyone he has a gun, people have time to react, and plan. But in the scenario where the person hides the gun, people would be taken by surprise, and more people would be vulnerable.

Sorry if that didn't make any sense...it made sense to me when i was writing it.

Thats just what I think.

Makes perfect sense...but the thing is, the guy with the gun. No matter how much you prepare for what he may do...if you take the offensive first, he said he'll use it and he will. The guy with the hidin' one, well, no one knows he has it right? Therefore no one attacks him and therefore nothing happens. Well, for the time being seeing how he's not provoked. The other guy though is now firing like crazy and not caring 'cause he has nothing to lose. So, neither must be provoked obviously, but why jump the guy with the hidin' gun but no one knows about it? Not sayin' jump the other one, 'cause he's not afraid to use it. So you have two problems here...each that could have some major consequences with an attack. So now what? Diplomacy? Possibly...I'm not one to suggest a solution, I don't know everything and even if I did, there's not much I can do on my own. The best I can do is hope Bush finshes what he starts swiftly and fully.