How do I make a Honda Killer.

Im very new to cars and engines, so I thought that I would learn by asking your oppinions on this forum.

I was wondering how do I make my 99 3000GT sl into a Honda Killer. I don't have a lot of money in the bank since Im paying for school. I thought some cheap ways would be an air intake, exhaust for now. Hit me up with what you think.

Welcome to the forums and post some pics of your '99, we always enjoy giving props to a nice looking car!

As for increasing performance, check out the FAQ thread, there is a staged upgrade guide also, with little money you will be on stage one. and yes, an open element filter will help a little, but the exhuast is ok for your horsepower and you shouldnt mess with it unless you just hate the sound.

Stock for stock the only Honda you should have trouble with is the NSX and the S2000.

If you want more than stock the FAQ is a great place to start.

like poly said, "honda killer" is too generic. thats like saying you want a 'dodge killer'. are we talking neon or viper? lol.

being that you said your new to cars and engines, i say take it slow. a 99 SL has 220hp stock, and that's plenty for a novice driver. Before you start throwing power upgrades at it, make sure everything's in good working order. Fresh oil, good belts, clean/full fluids, etc. It will be good practice if you havnt had much experience in the engine bay. But as far as beating hondas...taking candy from a baby, exept the s2000, that will give you a good run if your 5-speed, and probably eat you if you're auto. I wouldnt worry about the NSX unless you've got TT conversion plans.

is your SL an auto or 5-speed?

I thought 3rd gen Mitsu's had SOHC for N/A? ^^^

First and foremost, learn as much as you can about the location of engine parts in your car. There are certain things that a 3000GT and Stealth will gain horsepower from easily. For example, if you gut your pre-catalytic converters (off your exhaust manifolds), buy a test pipe (deletes the main catalytic converter) and buy a new downpipe (exhaust pipe in the front of your car) you will gain way more horsepower than the generic Cat-back exhaust and intake system for 1/3 of the price.

*Any catalytic converter tampering is not legal for street use... do you have emissions in your location?

I thought 3rd gen Mitsu's had SOHC for N/A? ^^^



Only the base models are SOHC on 97-99 models. SL's are still DOHC.

Thanks for the advice guys. Its an auto, and the head gasket is cracked so I need to get that fixed and with the tax return im plan on buying some new wheels and maybe some 17" with them.

Nice poland.. post up some pictures! welcome to the forums.. and PM me if you need anyparts.. I will hook you up!

Jason

S2000 stock for stock would beat a SL regardless of transmission. NSX will make a VR4 work for its money. I would even say that a RSX-S is just a bit faster than a SL. Even the new Civic Si's will give a SL a good run.

The NSX won't give the vr4 a run for its money.. there slow stock...

RSX-S has an aggressive head, but IIRC it's not V-TEC. The new SI's are the K20, with 200 HP with V-TEC but I still don't think they quite give a decent run.

The newer NSX's will most definately give a VR4 a run for their money. Ask Blink, he was beat by one. Even the older ones aren't too bad. I know Tatt in the racing secion has like a 91 with very basic performance upgrades and he ran like a 13.3 or so with a video to prove it.

http://www.2sportscars.com/ansx.shtml

Car and Driver tested the RSX-S with a ET time of 14.8 straight out of the box with a 6.2 0-60 time. And there worst time was a 14.9 down the strip. SL's can't break 14's stock, especially not consistantly.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparison_test/coupes/cheap_speed_round_23_comparison_test/acura_rsx_type_s_comparison_test

Here is one of the more conservative times for a 08 Civic Si I have seen and it ran a 15.1. From what I've heard, a decient driver can run high 14's with them all day long. Agian, that's faster than the SL. The SL with the MTX is a usual runner of mid 15's with a great driver hitting low 15's. And to this date, (I could be wrong) I don't believe there has been one person who has presented evidence of running a 14.8 in a SL stock ever.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=108019

The newer NSX's will most definately give a VR4 a run for their money. Ask Blink, he was beat by one. Even the older ones aren't too bad. I know Tatt in the racing secion has like a 91 with very basic performance upgrades and he ran like a 13.3 or so with a video to prove it.

true :frown:

but to give the VR4 some credit, i had'nt had it for too long and was pretty bad at shifting, I didnt launch it, and i shifted at like 6k.

but to give some credit back to the NSX, the one i ran was an older one...IIRC

A stock NSX can go 0-60 in around the mid 5 second range. In fact Top Gear had one of the earlier ones which was rated a 5.7 seconds. Almost a full second slower than a TT.

Yeah and that may be. But remember, it's not just the car that can do 0-60 run that is the fastest. Some cars can be very difficult to launch but once they get moving they really start to pick up speed fast. After getting the hang of it obviously the TT is going to get out of the whole quickly with 245 tires, AWD, and almost instantaneously spooling turbos. While the the 3S was obviously not a purpose built drag car the NSX most certainly isn't either. I remember watching a video of a newer NSX giving a Lamborghini Murceilago a very good run around around a track, both proffessional drivers.

Yeah, it's all about driver, but all things being equal the NSX doesn't stand a change. Hell, they have about as much torque as my LeBaron. :icon16:

Yeah, it's all about driver, but all things being equal the NSX doesn't stand a change. Hell, they have about as much torque as my LeBaron. :icon16:


my aunt has an old turbo lebaron. She never drives it but its still a classic for her. I always thought about putting a bigger turbo on it and a loud blow off valve cause it would just be funny to see a 57 year old woman driving down the road going "whistle, psshhhh"

my aunt has an old turbo lebaron. She never drives it but its still a classic for her. I always thought about putting a bigger turbo on it and a loud blow off valve cause it would just be funny to see a 57 year old woman driving down the road going "whistle, psshhhh"

LOL, that wold be a riot. The looks I get sometimes are classic enough. Yeah you could throw a GT3076R on there. Granted, the stock T03 units can do a fair amount of boost.

Yeah, it's all about driver, but all things being equal the NSX doesn't stand a chance. Hell, they have about as much torque as my LeBaron. :icon16:

:confused:

The 2nd Gens (NSX) have been tested to run mid to low 13's stock.

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The 2nd Gens (NSX) have been tested to run mid to low 13's stock.

The one I saw must have been a first gen.

sl3000gt is right. i have hands on experience with both cars.
i beat a nsx up top by 1 car length at 135mph.

the nsx runs 13's.....no matter how you put it, no matter how little tourque it has, the nsx runs 13's.
that gives any stock vr4 a run for its money!

Configuration:
Mid
Engine:
V6
Displacement:
3179 cc
Horsepower:
290 bhp @ 7100 rpm
Torque:
224 lb-ft @ 5500 rpm
Max RPM:
8000 rpm
Transmission:
6-Speed Manual
Dimensions
Weight:
3153 lbs
Height:
46.1 in
Length:
174.2 in
Width:
71.3 in
Wheelbase:
99.6 in
Track (f/r):
f: 59.5/r: 60.7 in
Performance
0-60 mph:
4.9 sec
0-100 mph:
11.7 sec
¼ mile:
13.4 sec @ 106 mph
Top Speed:
175 mph
Lateral acceleration:
.91g
Braking 60-0 mph:
117 ft

Then Top Gear must be incorrect. Did they have different trim levels like we do?

Then Top Gear must be incorrect. Did they have different trim levels like we do?

Well... they all come in Honda :gay:

:grinyes:

lol

no, the first gens were 270hp they ran more like low 14's.
remember, there were many magazines that ran the vr4 1st gens at 14.7
it wasnt until later on that they found out it ran low 14's to high 13's
there is a video somewere of the nsx, vr4 mr, skyline, 300zxtt and rx-7 all running 13's and better

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPP5zn3KlxY

man that's a good video. I wish they has translated commentary rather than music. It makes me want an MR :grinyes:

Lets see, we need to make a checklist of Honda Killers. I'm working on it:

Car, EVO3's ----->Check
Jetski, supercharged seadoo ------->Check
Lawnmore------->needs to be fixed up
ATV------>will need to get one
Pressure Washer--------> will also need to get one

what else does honda make that has an engine?

no, the first gens were 270hp they ran more like low 14's.
remember, there were many magazines that ran the vr4 1st gens at 14.7
it wasnt until later on that they found out it ran low 14's to high 13's
there is a video somewere of the nsx, vr4 mr, skyline, 300zxtt and rx-7 all running 13's and better

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPP5zn3KlxY

So, how much power does the MR have to pull a 12.8? Or was that shorter than a 1/4 mile?

Very good movie BTW.

Lets see, we need to make a checklist of Honda Killers. I'm working on it:

Car, EVO3's ----->Check
Jetski, supercharged seadoo ------->Check
Lawnmore------->needs to be fixed up
ATV------>will need to get one
Pressure Washer--------> will also need to get one

what else does honda make that has an engine?

Generator........

So, how much power does the MR have to pull a 12.8? Or was that shorter than a 1/4 mile?

I didnt think it had any more power, just shorter gearing and less weight (no AWS, leather, etc.) I know they had 9b's...dont know if they upped the boost at all though.

The MR was basically a SR with TT's and 6 speed.

The MR didnt have different gearing compared to other 6 speed GTO TT's. Thats the J spec gearing.

So, how much power does the MR have to pull a 12.8? Or was that shorter than a 1/4 mile?

Very good movie BTW.



Generator........

what don't they make?

Hey Polly.. the other huge differance is that we live in the rockeys... I raced a 97.. and correct me if I am wronge but that is the second gen? the one with more power... at any rate I raced him and just sloughtered him! was not even close.. granted I had a few mods when I raced but I am not kidding when I say that I just killed him..

Jason

i'm sorry, i've refrained as long as possible. I just have to.

"racing in a honda is like racing in the special olympics, even if you win... you're still retarded"

thats sorta like saying you slaughterd a supra.
i beleive you without a doubt, but i'd really like to know what caused you to beat him so bad.
maybe driver error

he did say he was in the rockies...huge advantage to the turbo at high elevation.

:devil: :devil: i'm sorry, i've refrained as long as possible. I just have to.

"racing in a honda is like racing in the special olympics, even if you win... you're still retarded"


I must be damn near dead then lol. If I had a dime for every time I whooped up on a YZ, DR, or KX I would be a rich man :lol: But then agian it is bikes. Not sure what if you are referring to just cars or bikes too. However, if someone is looking for a race, I'll be happy to oblige with my "Honda." :devil:

lol, bikes are a different animal. I didnt make that quote, i just though it was funny. But, yes, i was just referring to cars. I really dont know anything about bikes.
To be honest, i'm not really a bike person. I know that they're the best bang for the buck performance-wise...but they're just not for me. I like to sit in my big comfy recliner, drink my drink, and listen to some tunes while i cruise down the road at 100mph :grinyes:

Sorry to change the subject. What should I get for exhaust for in the summer when school is out. Cuase I tought the best way for getting the exhaust is to cut the cats and muffler and getting a little bit bigger pipes. Just dumping the exhaust from one big tube, to minimize restriction. I don't care how it sounds, but if it is to loud I guess I will get a muffler.

It will sound like shit if you go that route.

You want a muffler, and you want a resonator.

What about gutted pre-cats and a test pipe? Will that give the valve-overlap fartcan sound?

What about gutted pre-cats and a test pipe? Will that give the valve-overlap fartcan sound?

With everything else being stock?

If so, no.

I just got a test pipe and a muffler on each side, and it sounds pretty good. I gotta 97 sl i dunno how that setup would work on yours.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xbUS2nLcIqs

In reply to the original thread, you have an atx SL 220hp is far from the truth, in reality you'll be lucky to have 150hp to the wheels in honestly, 1/4 mile you will see high 16's because your automatic. You pretty much will sit with stock hatches, most integras with mods will beat you. S2k and NSX will make you look like your not moving.

If your serious about making a Honda killer at least get your car to run low 15's, your going to need a high stall torque converter which will make you close to a second faster, full exhaust/intake, mix that in with an underdrive pulley and minor weight reductions. You should be able to see a low 15 1/4 mile. Even then you have a chance of winning against most "Hondas" besides the S2K.

If your trying to eat any honda on the road, theres no point because most serious Honda owners, with a descent swap will be a good lineup for a VR4, and you are very far from 320hp in a AWD setup.

My reccommendation consider a TT conversion or nitrous setup if your looking to own all the ricers in your neighborhood.

i thought FWD drivetrain loss was like 10-15%? you'r talking about a 30% power loss...what causes that?

the fact that the ATX is a total dog. and the fact that te factory rated 222 hp at the crank stock is high ballin hard core. its more like 210 If even that much

Factor the 10-15% loss due to fwd, then think about that torque converter for an automatic tranny, thats all together 20-25% full drivetain loss, at least in our platform.

Most DOHC automatics dyno to the wheel 140-160hp stock, I'm sorry but for as much as we weight thats pretty damn slow.

Consider the higher stall and bpu, if you want to take out little 4 cylinders with fart cans aroud you. If you plan on taking cars that are trapping over 100-110mph 1/4 mile, start considering the tt conversion, or nitrous, because what your car right now is only a challenge against a bone stock civic hatch, but not many of those are crawling around, most little honda beaters have at least a little bit of work to get them in the low 16's which right there will give you a run for your money if you remain stock.