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Ranger_X

02-28-2003, 01:11 AM

Little Burner

02-28-2003, 01:16 AM

No pics came up for me

Ranger_X

02-28-2003, 01:18 AM

fixed :)

Little Burner

02-28-2003, 01:21 AM

Sweet works now

DMC12

02-28-2003, 12:33 PM

Looks like it was a good show! Sorry I missed it :(

I like the flux capacitor & time circuits that one guy has... talk about authentic!!!

Oh, and I like the Road & Track 0-60 stats:p 10 seconds:rolleyes: Just goes to show you that "magazine racing" is way off! If my 0-60 was 10, then the driver of that S2000 must have missed 2nd, 3rd, and fourth gears:silly2:

Murco

03-03-2003, 12:28 AM

Originally posted by DMC12
Oh, and I like the Road & Track 0-60 stats:p 10 seconds:rolleyes: Just goes to show you that "magazine racing" is way off! If my 0-60 was 10, then the driver of that S2000 must have missed 2nd, 3rd, and fourth gears:silly2:

Hmmm....
130 hp x 3,100 pounds = slow :rolleyes:
Are you sure he was actually racing you?

Ranger_X

03-03-2003, 01:24 AM

Originally posted by Murco

Hmmm....
130 hp x 3,100 pounds = slow :rolleyes:
Are you sure he was actually racing you?

The base curb weight of a DeLorean is 2750 lbs, the S2K is 2775 lbs.

Advantages DeLorean:
Rear engined layout means less driveline loss
Dead even in tq with S2K @153 lb.ft, however, the DeLorean gets this peak torque almost 5000 rpm lower in the powerband! I think it should be quite a flat curve as well, as its a volvo engine.

Advantages S2K
6 speed close ratio
105 Hp OVER the DeLorean

Now the S2K is tested at a 0-60 time of 5.8 seconds. And while I do believe the DeLorean's time is certainly better than 10.5 sec (I would think it would be in the mid 8s) there is simply no way it can match the advantages of the S2K. HOWEVER! Driving an S2K takes a lot of getting used to. In order to hit peak horsepower, one must bring the revs up to 8300 RPM!! At this engine speed, it feels like the engine is going to fly apart (though it can tolerate the revs very reliably), and if braking the car in, you should definitly not be hitting those revs. Lower, say shifting around 5-6K RPM, the S2K is damn slow. It is entirly likely that the S2K he was racing was not being driven to its limit.

450HPviper

03-12-2003, 10:21 AM

Sweet Cars:D

DMC12

03-12-2003, 12:08 PM

Originally posted by Murco
130 hp x 3,100 pounds = slow :rolleyes:
Are you sure he was actually racing you?
People, as with any forum on the Web: PLEASE DO A SEARCH BEFORE POSTING. We've discussed the weight issue many times.

As for the S2000 advantage, yes it takes great skill to get the max performance out of one. Is that my problem? No... that is the great thing about street racing:flipa:

Murco

03-12-2003, 08:48 PM

Originally posted by DMC12

People, as with any forum on the Web: PLEASE DO A SEARCH BEFORE POSTING. We've discussed the weight issue many times.

As for the S2000 advantage, yes it takes great skill to get the max performance out of one. Is that my problem? No... that is the great thing about street racing:flipa:
I'm just reading the "test weight" in the article, 3155 pounds. Do they not actually put them on scales?
I'm not flaming, but these cars never were called quick...

DMC12

03-14-2003, 05:38 PM

Originally posted by Murco
I'm just reading the "test weight" in the article, 3155 pounds. Do they not actually put them on scales?
I'm not flaming, but these cars never were called quick...
I think that in the case of the DeLorean, Road & Track wanted the car to flop... so they fudged the #s. I say this because if you make your own decisions about which cars you like & perform the best THEN read Road & Track, you'll find that they're way off most of the time. It is like they get bribed to hype up some makes while putting others down.

I'm actually starting to like the incorrect info! It makes everyone want to race me, then wonder why they lost:p

:dogpile:

Murco

03-14-2003, 08:57 PM

Originally posted by DMC12

I think that in the case of the DeLorean, Road & Track wanted the car to flop... so they fudged the #s. I say this because if you make your own decisions about which cars you like & perform the best THEN read Road & Track, you'll find that they're way off most of the time. It is like they get bribed to hype up some makes while putting others down.
Agreed... My rude awakening to automotive journalism was when I was selling cars. I was selling a terrific new model in 1990 and it was completely ignored for "Car of the Year" because it had no advertising history with the mag. It should be called "advertiser of the year" . That explains the Renault Fuego and other turds that have been bestowed with this honor!! R&T just did a road test of the GLI I own and came up about .5 short in the 1/4 mile compared with my times at Bradenton Motorsports Park...

Originally posted by DMC12
I'm actually starting to like the incorrect info! It makes everyone want to race me, then wonder why they lost:p
I just like to rev the engine at a light these days, maybe chirp the tires a little when the green goes and let them roar-off from the light like an idiot while I putt on down the road. Far to many dumb-asses on the road today to street race...

Future Boy

04-06-2003, 12:09 PM

The pics I can see are nice!

As far as magazine "testing," they almost always are very biased against any car they don't like, or are paid not to like (or are not paid to like). I've seen horribly, horribly wrong stats on cars, even some 0-60 times as far off as 2 seconds! You just have to take everything you read with a grain of salt, so to speak.

It's also a matter of gearing anything toward the masses, and not the niche markets. That's why we have shows like "My Classic Car," showcasing with a bunch of old cars, and no "My 80's Car," with cars like Fieros, Firebirds, Countaches, Esprits, and of course Deloreans, to name a few, which are all ignored by about every automotive show and magazine today. It doesn't justify lying, but they still do it.

Heep

04-06-2003, 05:24 PM

Originally posted by Future Boy
"My 80's Car," with cars like Fieros, Firebirds, Countaches, Esprits, and of course Deloreans, to name a few, which are all ignored by about every automotive show and magazine today.

I honestly wouldn't miss an episode :)

DMC12

04-07-2003, 12:17 PM

Originally posted by Future Boy
That's why we have shows like "My Classic Car," showcasing with a bunch of old cars, and no "My 80's Car"
I hear you loud & clear! I've seen so many cherry 70's Chargers that now I yawn:o and walk right past them at car shows. Don't get me wrong, I like them... but its like hearing your favorite song on the radio too many times - gets old:bloated:

I'd love to see a TV show or car meet that was "80's ONLY":smoka: Merkurs, Starions, Fieros, DMCs... some cool sheitz came outa that decade:bandit:

Heep

04-07-2003, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by DMC12
I'd love to see a TV show or car meet that was "80's ONLY":smoka: Merkurs, Starions, Fieros, DMCs... some cool sheitz came outa that decade:bandit:

Haha, Merkur's 0wn :D

I almost bought one once.

destroyer

05-30-2003, 11:33 PM

Originally posted by DMC12

I think that in the case of the DeLorean, Road & Track wanted the car to flop... so they fudged the #s. I say this because if you make your own decisions about which cars you like & perform the best THEN read Road & Track, you'll find that they're way off most of the time. It is like they get bribed to hype up some makes while putting others down.

I'm actually starting to like the incorrect info! It makes everyone want to race me, then wonder why they lost:p

:dogpile: Oh c'mon man. The Delorean is a cool looking ride but a Camry V6 would spank ya for god's sake. I'm a fan of the Delorean don't get me wrong but even the turbo model was a turd. I've driven a few Delorean's but I just could never bring myself to buy one because of the lack of performance. Of course, the Northstar conversion in the Delorean sounds like a sweet deal to me. I helped my old neighbor do a tune up on his car the other day, it was an 88 Eagle Premier, I had totally forgotten those cars had the old Delorean motor in them.

Heep

05-30-2003, 11:45 PM

Originally posted by destroyer
Oh c'mon man. The Delorean is a cool looking ride but a Camry V6 would spank ya for god's sake. I'm a fan of the Delorean don't get me wrong but even the turbo model was a turd. I've driven a few Delorean's but I just could never bring myself to buy one because of the lack of performance. Of course, the Northstar conversion in the Delorean sounds like a sweet deal to me. I helped my old neighbor do a tune up on his car the other day, it was an 88 Eagle Premier, I had totally forgotten those cars had the old Delorean motor in them.

There was no factory turbo model....

If you want something with performance look elsewhere, but you can't assume that performance is at the top of everyone's priority list. The Delorean has a ton of other cool and unique qualities and things it does well that for some, myself included, outweigh the lack of performance. If you want to be one of the millions that drive a Camry V6, have a blast, but if you want a rare and unique car that will turn more heads than the Royal family at a nude beach, the DMC is the car for you.

Heep

05-30-2003, 11:59 PM

Actually, speaking of the Premier motor, if you haven't seen www.projectdelorean.com yet, you might want to check it out...photo journal of a guy's modification and restoration of a DMC that he's swapping a Premier engine into.

Murco

05-31-2003, 12:32 AM

As a parts guy, I must warn you that when it comes to repairing those "rare and unique" cars such as Merkurs, Deloreans, and Yugos parts are either non-existent, rare and unique, or incredibly expensive! I'm not saying avoid them, just be prepared for a ball-joint costing $100 or an alternator being $300++!!
My Camaro may be like a million others but if I break a rocker-arm crossing the Arizona desert, the nearest parts store will have one in stock and cheap!

Heep

05-31-2003, 12:39 AM

Originally posted by Murco
As a parts guy, I must warn you that when it comes to repairing those "rare and unique" cars such as Merkurs, Deloreans, and Yugos parts are either non-existent, rare and unique, or incredibly expensive! I'm not saying avoid them, just be prepared for a ball-joint costing $100 or an alternator being $300++!!
My Camaro may be like a million others but if I break a rocker-arm crossing the Arizona desert, the nearest parts store will have one in stock and cheap!

I hear ya...thankfully DMC's have managed to avoid the parts problem for the most part...there are several parts specialists and parts aren't usually much more than a typical import part (probly a lot more than Camaro parts though). You will have to wait a little longer for them though, most places don't stock DMC parts :D

However, the DMC does share a lot of parts with more mainstream cars, which helps. In fact the engine is virtually an early version of the Eagle Premier motor, and a lot of parts can be swapped.

Murco

05-31-2003, 01:08 AM

Originally posted by Heep

However, the DMC does share a lot of parts with more mainstream cars, which helps. In fact the engine is virtually an early version of the Eagle Premier motor, and a lot of parts can be swapped.
Correct me if I'm wrong, wasn't the Eagle Premier a rebadged Mitsubishi? I had thought the Delorean engine was a Peugeot product... If the engine is indeed a Mitsubishi 3.0 you have a huge number of parts sources as it's still used in Chrysler products to this day.

Heep

05-31-2003, 01:33 AM

Indeed. The engine was a Peugeot/Renault/Volvo joint project and as used in the DMC was a 2.8. The PRV engine and it's variants were used in the Peugeot 406, 504, 604, 505, 605, 607, Venturi Cabrio, DMC, Talbot Tagora (Chrysler link there), Renault 25, 30, Espace, Laguna, Safrane, and many others, including the Dodge Monaco and Eagle Premier :)

The Premier engine is a near direct bolt into a DMC, the DMC oil pan IS a direct bolt onto the Premier 3.0. They're nearly the same engine :)

s_ikari2015

08-04-2003, 03:03 AM

I am also a parts guy, work for Toyota....
Now it will actually be much harder to find Parts for a Toyota Supra outside of Japan then Finding Parts for a Delorean outside of Texas... :cwm27:

Here in Australia to get Import parts you need to call Toyota in Japan and get the Parts listings for what you want sent over... and to understand what car you've got they have to trace the Compliance plate back to their manufacturers plate.... THEN if they still MAKE the part they may have it out to you in about say.....1-3 months...

If you need a part for a Delorean and worse comes to worse, Contact the DMC in Texas... and ASK. That is ALL they have. Delorean Parts. One Model, one Make... :dogpile: :lol:

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