14.8 1/4 mile with my mods and have a?
91talondsm
03-03-2008, 11:23 AM
with the mods i have(below) i no i did it wrong,read the dsm newbies mastakes forum. was wondering if having a stock exaust will cause me to not boost over 15psi,also no im running rich with the 255 pump and no regulator, but here its ok under WOT with the 450cc inj.3rd and 4th gear pulles 15psi at 4500rpm steady with no creep.nothing is ported but the turbo.mbc tryed all the way open and closed, closed now.turbos spooling harder but still at a steady 15psi. ran 14.8 in 1/4 mile but also is front wheel drive so no tracktion in first.what should i do or try next?
rock0134
03-03-2008, 12:01 PM
get a fuel pressure regulator and turbo back exhaust. Then get bigger injectors
91talondsm
03-03-2008, 12:32 PM
il just go to a little shop and have them custum a straight pipe without cat. cause the cat. starts smoking when i run it hard,its new but just a oem universal.and cause i just passed emmissions so got two year tags. i no i need the regulator two. so than is it safe to run the 15 psi as it sits? checked compression and 160 1-4 cyl.
rock0134
03-03-2008, 12:39 PM
As long as you aren't running out of fuel you should be fine as long as other basic maintenence is good.
Sleepr awd
03-03-2008, 12:52 PM
the only time you'll have problems with the regulator is when you are cruising. Like you said wot is ok.
Definitely exhaust, then do the whole fuel system. Ss line, rewire pump, afpr, and if you feel really good, do the rail. If you are adventurous, 6an line it all the way to the pump. If you need help on parts pm me. Ive got those written somewhere.
Definitely exhaust, then do the whole fuel system. Ss line, rewire pump, afpr, and if you feel really good, do the rail. If you are adventurous, 6an line it all the way to the pump. If you need help on parts pm me. Ive got those written somewhere.
Thor06
03-03-2008, 03:05 PM
Aftermarket lines and rail on a 16g is laughable, might as well bury a couple hundred bucks somewhere in the ground and give Thor a treasure map, either way will be about as beneficial to your car as the other.
You'll need many many things before either of those can be justified such as getting the car running right. I didnt get much from your original post (you need to be more clear about whats going on, that would start with some reasonable grammar, punctuation, and spelling), but it looks like you are running at 15psi whether the MBC is all the way in or out, in which case you have more problems than a poor quarter mile time. If thats the case you either have the BC in wrong, or you arent using an aftermarket boost guage. I dont see a boost guage on your mod list and the stocker isnt even a real boost guage so you should have one of those before anything, especially if you insist on playing with the boost controller. After that, the exhaust would be a logical next step. After that, DSMlink.
You'll need many many things before either of those can be justified such as getting the car running right. I didnt get much from your original post (you need to be more clear about whats going on, that would start with some reasonable grammar, punctuation, and spelling), but it looks like you are running at 15psi whether the MBC is all the way in or out, in which case you have more problems than a poor quarter mile time. If thats the case you either have the BC in wrong, or you arent using an aftermarket boost guage. I dont see a boost guage on your mod list and the stocker isnt even a real boost guage so you should have one of those before anything, especially if you insist on playing with the boost controller. After that, the exhaust would be a logical next step. After that, DSMlink.
Sleepr awd
03-03-2008, 03:22 PM
... I'm just saying, while you are in there, do it once and do it right. It might be overkill now, but longterm if you have any real plans you won't have to go back. Of course I just like keeping everything even. Thor us right though dsmlink would make more of a difference doing first, after you get the TBE
Thor06
03-03-2008, 05:38 PM
Only if "real plans" constitutes a LOT of power or even a pretty solid amount on E85. I'm pretty sure the stock lines are fine to max out a 255, which is around 650 hp on gasoline IIRC. Once you get past that, you really should have a fuel cell anyway. Not trying to be an ass to you Sleeper, but I'm just saying that kind of fuel system is like getting forged internals to up the boost controller.
91talondsm
03-03-2008, 09:34 PM
so adjustable fuel pressure regulator and turbo back exhaust will be my next purchise. 13.8s my goal and yes i do have an aftermarket boost guage.the mbc is hooked up according to the mbc forum.somthing else is wrong, guess il keep messing around till i get it right, after all being a dsm owner is being your own backyard machanic.
and you can read my spelling, we are all dsmers trying to get help,or helping others. it shouldnt matter if your a letter off or you put a camma here and it needed to be there. its funny how most dsmers are all "welcome to the club", and others love to hate.get enough crap from all the honda riders around here.
and you can read my spelling, we are all dsmers trying to get help,or helping others. it shouldnt matter if your a letter off or you put a camma here and it needed to be there. its funny how most dsmers are all "welcome to the club", and others love to hate.get enough crap from all the honda riders around here.
SilvrEclipse
03-03-2008, 10:18 PM
It has nothing to do with us "hating" on you. It wasn't only your grammar that made your post hard to read. Your spelling wasn't the best either. I think most people around here would agree that we aren't very strict about grammar or spelling. But you could at least try a little to make it readable.
91talondsm
03-03-2008, 10:56 PM
i tryed to download the spell check but it didnt work so im doing my best.
i still would like to no if having a stock exhaust can prevent me from boosting over 15psi. i noticed my catalytic convertor starts smoking (if that helps)under hard runs and its brand new,also tryed running the waistgate accuator vaccum line off and still hitting 15psi,i've herd people hitting over 25psi with that line off. sorry for the spelling and grammer.
i still would like to no if having a stock exhaust can prevent me from boosting over 15psi. i noticed my catalytic convertor starts smoking (if that helps)under hard runs and its brand new,also tryed running the waistgate accuator vaccum line off and still hitting 15psi,i've herd people hitting over 25psi with that line off. sorry for the spelling and grammer.
SilvrEclipse
03-03-2008, 11:19 PM
Like I said it doesn't matter is your spelling or grammar is perfect, just at least try to make it half way decent and it will be fine. I appreciate your cooperation.
Stock exhaust will not limit your car to 15psi. Also the cat wont cause your car to blow smoke out the exhaust. There is no reason your car shouldn't boost past 15psi. Becarefuly taking the wastegate vac line off, the boost may shoot up fast and mess something up.
Stock exhaust will not limit your car to 15psi. Also the cat wont cause your car to blow smoke out the exhaust. There is no reason your car shouldn't boost past 15psi. Becarefuly taking the wastegate vac line off, the boost may shoot up fast and mess something up.
Thor06
03-03-2008, 11:21 PM
That wasnt meant as an attack at you and I am sorry it came off as one. I know that we're not all English majors nor do we need to type like them, but honestly dude, I had to re-read your OP a solid 4-5 times before I really thought I understood what was going on, even then I wasnt sure. Harping on your English skills wasnt meant as an attack, just a suggestion to help you get answers later. When I have to really think and sift though shit to get it I usually just pass it on and I know I am not alone in that. Besides, I tried to help, if I didnt like you or wanted to piss you off, I would have been an asshole and not tried to help ;).
91talondsm
03-03-2008, 11:52 PM
well i really do appreciate the advice you all gave me and im more understanding about the forums.newbie isnt just my name on here but really im a newbie to this hole dsm/turbo stuff. first dsm ever owned and only had it 2 months now and im figuring out that modding these cars are way different then your typical honda.
been on here every day reading forums on how to do things so i dont repost a same forum but it seems that the problems im having(like boosting)are different than anyone elses problems.its hard for me to figure out whats going on in my motor cause i have no afc or datalogger and even dsmlink for that matter(to expensive) so im just trying to tune by ear.
thanks guys and sorry if im off topic to, just trying to learn more on these dsms.
been on here every day reading forums on how to do things so i dont repost a same forum but it seems that the problems im having(like boosting)are different than anyone elses problems.its hard for me to figure out whats going on in my motor cause i have no afc or datalogger and even dsmlink for that matter(to expensive) so im just trying to tune by ear.
thanks guys and sorry if im off topic to, just trying to learn more on these dsms.
steviek
03-04-2008, 02:36 PM
with stock injectors you shouldn't go any higher than 15 psi on that turbo anyways.
Yea and its not your cat that is smoking. Its probably your turbo which is causing the smoke. The 15 psi max could be a product of your turbo on its way out, restriction before or after the turbo your boost control solenoid, your wastegate actuator, or your boost controller. But whatever it is I would leave it like such because those injectors are at their upper limits with that turbo on that psi.
Yea and its not your cat that is smoking. Its probably your turbo which is causing the smoke. The 15 psi max could be a product of your turbo on its way out, restriction before or after the turbo your boost control solenoid, your wastegate actuator, or your boost controller. But whatever it is I would leave it like such because those injectors are at their upper limits with that turbo on that psi.
91talondsm
03-04-2008, 09:04 PM
turbos brand new and just pulled the intake tube off yesterday and checked for oil or shaft play and there was neather.
just bot the car really and also found out that all the exhaust manifold bolts were loose so i tightened them down and turbos louder but still hit the 15psi mark with no creep.
just bot the car really and also found out that all the exhaust manifold bolts were loose so i tightened them down and turbos louder but still hit the 15psi mark with no creep.
91talondsm
03-04-2008, 09:07 PM
i was able to hit 30psi on the 14b without fuel cut with those injectors.
steviek
03-04-2008, 09:14 PM
awe come on dude
the 14b will not make 30 psi. And I have logs of my Injector duty cycle with 720 cc injectors running at 90%+ on the e316g so I dunno about that one.
the 14b will not make 30 psi. And I have logs of my Injector duty cycle with 720 cc injectors running at 90%+ on the e316g so I dunno about that one.
steviek
03-04-2008, 09:20 PM
Just to prove
23psi e316g 720 cc's
90.9% IDC
Now tell me what IDC that would be on 450's?
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j294/steviekallday/log.jpg
23psi e316g 720 cc's
90.9% IDC
Now tell me what IDC that would be on 450's?
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j294/steviekallday/log.jpg
91talondsm
03-04-2008, 10:43 PM
maybe it wasnt 30 but i have a aftermarket boost guage and it would spike past the 20psi mark real quick, so could have been like 25psi, and was a hell of alot faster than my car now at 15psi
rock0134
03-05-2008, 10:24 AM
yea maybe it wasn't 30 psi
91talondsm
03-05-2008, 04:52 PM
well looks like i got jiped on the turbo cause i just got done looking at my brand new turbo and the turbine fins are broke and bent,so i guess thats why im only hitting 15psi. bought it off ebay from cx racing for 300$. they better give me a new one.
steviek
03-05-2008, 05:34 PM
I doubt they will they are pretty cheap like that.
I will be taking my e3 off for the fp turbo I got soon It might be available if you want to wait for a little bit
I will be taking my e3 off for the fp turbo I got soon It might be available if you want to wait for a little bit
91talondsm
03-05-2008, 06:13 PM
i just need the compressor wheel, the rest of its still new.found one for $40 but guess where? yup ebay, its a japan site thow so i might trust it.
Thor06
03-05-2008, 06:52 PM
Dude, dont even bother. Ebay turbos are shit, even if you did get a new compressor wheel put on and got it balanced, something else would shit the bed later. Just get a respectable turbo.
91talondsm
03-05-2008, 09:13 PM
well wish i would have read your post first. i just ordered a greddy compressor wheel and a rebuild kit for the turbo.
http://www.gpopshop.com/mitsubishikits.html got complete rebuild kit here. (TD05H complete kit)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33742&viewitem=&item=120215238312&_trksid=p3907.m29
heres the compressor wheel.:eek:
http://www.gpopshop.com/mitsubishikits.html got complete rebuild kit here. (TD05H complete kit)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33742&viewitem=&item=120215238312&_trksid=p3907.m29
heres the compressor wheel.:eek:
91talondsm
03-06-2008, 11:45 PM
talked to keven from cx racing he said they stand by there products and would give me another one for 100$ including shipping. im gonna take it cause it beats the 215$ rebuild kit.
steviek
03-07-2008, 12:23 AM
yea i would too and just hope that one holds out for a while.
Thor06
03-07-2008, 02:00 AM
Why is $100 for another piece of shit turbo a good deal? If some moron was standing on a street corner selling condoms made of saran wrap and rubber bands for the low low price of $.50 instead of the $.75 for Trojans and yours failed which got your chick pregnant, would you take another from him if he "stands by his product" and gives you another for $.20?
I told you and I am sure everyone here agrees with me, the turbo you have now and the turbo you will be getting are both complete crap. Forget about the rebuild, tell that gay wad to stuff their epoxied turbos up his ass, and buy a decent turbo.
I told you and I am sure everyone here agrees with me, the turbo you have now and the turbo you will be getting are both complete crap. Forget about the rebuild, tell that gay wad to stuff their epoxied turbos up his ass, and buy a decent turbo.
steviek
03-07-2008, 02:16 AM
but that still leaves him with no turbo and footing the bill of the first. It is arguable either way maybe it was a bad apple but I am sure if this one goes than they are all shit. But maybe he will do soemthing else for you when you tell him his turblows suck.
Thor06
03-07-2008, 12:36 PM
Whats better, being out $300 an X amount of down time or out $400 and 2x down time? Ebay turbos are cheap because they have minimal if any R&D and they use cheap manufacturing processes and materials. Turbine fins shouldnt be breaking off for no reason, and its a good thing you have an intercooler to catch things like that. Personally if a turbo went to hell like that, I'd demand either a free replacement or my money back and I would continue to do so until I got one or the other.
david-b
03-07-2008, 01:03 PM
If I may... eBay turbos are great for break in periods after a motor rebuild. They're cheap, and during break in, you're not supposed to be hitting boost at all. Which makes eBay turbo perfect. They're basically just acting as the "filler" between the exhaust and intake in place of a turbo.
When I do mine, POS ebay turbo for the first 1000 miles or. Boost turned all the way down and basically not using the turbo at all. Either that or some used, half broken t3/4 with oil filter. Once breakin period done... BAMM!! Whatever turbo I picked then.
As you were gents
When I do mine, POS ebay turbo for the first 1000 miles or. Boost turned all the way down and basically not using the turbo at all. Either that or some used, half broken t3/4 with oil filter. Once breakin period done... BAMM!! Whatever turbo I picked then.
As you were gents
91talondsm
03-07-2008, 01:12 PM
i did it cause he sold thousends of these turbos and hes only got 1 complaint and the complaint wasnt even about a turbo.
steviek
03-07-2008, 01:59 PM
that picture is soo small I can't tell what it wrong but it looks like bent compressor wheel. Which normally indicates shaft play and all that other good stuff.
91talondsm
03-07-2008, 02:16 PM
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/6199/blownturbo2xl8.jpg
that should be better.now a new turbo shouldnt look like that a week after install right lol. also i made sure to pull the MPI fuse to not dry start the turbo, cranked it about 30 times to get some oil in it first.
that should be better.now a new turbo shouldnt look like that a week after install right lol. also i made sure to pull the MPI fuse to not dry start the turbo, cranked it about 30 times to get some oil in it first.
ned032002
03-08-2008, 08:07 AM
i did it cause he sold thousends of these turbos and hes only got 1 complaint and the complaint wasnt even about a turbo.
Most people leave there feedback either right after they get the part or right after they install the part. If it works then the person gets positive feedback there for of course you wouldn't see any complaints because the emails they send a week later after there turbos fins are busted have nothing to do w/ there feedback because that was placed 2 days after you got the turbo. You should really search for personnel experiences w/ ebay parts especially something that creates a lot of power in turn could also do a lot of damage to your engine. I agree 100% w/ Thor w/ how much you've already sunk into the turbo you've got you might as well have just gone w/ a ligit one like this one
http://www.extremepsi.com/store/customer/product.php?productid=16296&cat=426&page=1
Most people leave there feedback either right after they get the part or right after they install the part. If it works then the person gets positive feedback there for of course you wouldn't see any complaints because the emails they send a week later after there turbos fins are busted have nothing to do w/ there feedback because that was placed 2 days after you got the turbo. You should really search for personnel experiences w/ ebay parts especially something that creates a lot of power in turn could also do a lot of damage to your engine. I agree 100% w/ Thor w/ how much you've already sunk into the turbo you've got you might as well have just gone w/ a ligit one like this one
http://www.extremepsi.com/store/customer/product.php?productid=16296&cat=426&page=1
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