Optimum Super Car Setup

Originally posted by Zammo



seems to be the same thing
No, the camshafts work against the pressurized gas.

Originally posted by FYRHWK1


That website misses half the facts about how a car really handles, that kind of graph doesnt take tire type, contact patch size, vehicle weight or anything else into account, body roll DOES add downward loading to the outside tires.
I didn't say that roll didn't put extra load on the outside tires, I said roll decreased from total traction. And if I am wrong, I apologize. And pop a link or something this way, please.

:)

Originally posted by 454Casull

No, the camshafts work against the pressurized gas.


this maybe the case on some systems
the im on about has no cams therefore no valve bounce hence higher rpm

Originally posted by Zammo



this maybe the case on some systems
the im on about has no cams therefore no valve bounce hence higher rpm
Can you show me a link?

Simply removing the pressure acting on the valves won't make them open, you have to direct force in the opposite direction. And you can still have valve bounce/float without using conventional springs.

http://www.inet.hr/~topetric/valvesystem.jpg

no link i cant find any info on the net about it



But i will tell u the new engines are using springs to open the valve and gas to close them

I was under the impression that valve bouce was the point in time when the acctuator of the valve lost contact with the cam lobe

in which case an engine with no cam has no valve bounce

i maybe wrong but thats what the impression im under is

Mid Longitudally mounted
DOHC: Quad Cams
Cylinder Options:
--72 Degree V10
--60 Degree V12
--Flat 10 or 12 (Advantages and Disadvantages? Look this up)
VTEC or 3D Cams
Fuel Injection w/ Performance ECU
Ceramic Coated Cylinder Head
Optional Forced Induction:(leave room for)Supercharger vs Twin Superchargers vs Twin Turbos
6-8 liter (Target BHP = 775 BHP, Min = 625, Max = 1000)
Dry-Sump Lubrication; Fully Synthetic Oil w/ Mixed Boric Acid & Suspended Molybdenum Disulfide Particles, etc.
4 valve
Induction:
--Air Filter: foam or oiled cotton ( placed in area of direct airflow)
--Intake Tubing: Ceramic-lined/coated hydroformed aluminum
--Intercooler (2): Aluminum tube/fin (if using forced induction)
--Hotwire air sensor
--Intake Manifold: Hydroformed aluminum OR magnesium
--Runners: Welded hydroformed intake runners, possibly telescoping

Originally posted by 454Casull

I didn't say that roll didn't put extra load on the outside tires, I said roll decreased from total traction. And if I am wrong, I apologize. And pop a link or something this way, please.

:)

Not that it doesnt, but to say it decreases from total traction would highly depend on how much weight transfer the car has inherently, as well as how much traction it needs on both sides of your car, so I suppose it could decrease total traction, or increase it, just depending on your situation.

Originally posted by PhantomDesign
Mid Longitudally mounted
DOHC: Quad Cams
Cylinder Options:
--72 Degree V10
--60 Degree V12
--Flat 10 or 12 (Advantages and Disadvantages? Look this up)
VTEC or 3D Cams
Fuel Injection w/ Performance ECU
Ceramic Coated Cylinder Head
Optional Forced Induction:(leave room for)Supercharger vs Twin Superchargers vs Twin Turbos
6-8 liter (Target BHP = 775 BHP, Min = 625, Max = 1000)
Dry-Sump Lubrication; Fully Synthetic Oil w/ Mixed Boric Acid & Suspended Molybdenum Disulfide Particles, etc.
4 valve
Induction:
--Air Filter: foam or oiled cotton ( placed in area of direct airflow)
--Intake Tubing: Ceramic-lined/coated hydroformed aluminum
--Intercooler (2): Aluminum tube/fin (if using forced induction)
--Hotwire air sensor
--Intake Manifold: Hydroformed aluminum OR magnesium
--Runners: Welded hydroformed intake runners, possibly telescoping


What is the reliablility going to be like for the engine? I see the Performance ECU and a lot fo other items that coudl be risking the engine's term. How often do you expetc the car to be serviced? Although I have little expertise, I'd say reliabilty woudl be a big thing considering this is a fairly isolated model and if ever built, servicing would be difficult.

Originally posted by PhantomDesign
Mid Longitudally mounted
DOHC: Quad Cams
Cylinder Options:
--72 Degree V10
--60 Degree V12
--Flat 10 or 12 (Advantages and Disadvantages? Look this up)
VTEC or 3D Cams
Fuel Injection w/ Performance ECU
Ceramic Coated Cylinder Head
Optional Forced Induction:(leave room for)Supercharger vs Twin Superchargers vs Twin Turbos
6-8 liter (Target BHP = 775 BHP, Min = 625, Max = 1000)
Dry-Sump Lubrication; Fully Synthetic Oil w/ Mixed Boric Acid & Suspended Molybdenum Disulfide Particles, etc.
4 valve
Induction:
--Air Filter: foam or oiled cotton ( placed in area of direct airflow)
--Intake Tubing: Ceramic-lined/coated hydroformed aluminum
--Intercooler (2): Aluminum tube/fin (if using forced induction)
--Hotwire air sensor
--Intake Manifold: Hydroformed aluminum OR magnesium
--Runners: Welded hydroformed intake runners, possibly telescoping

There are better cam-changing systems than VTEC... Like i-VTEC or VVTL-i... I still think that 3D cam lobes are the best, though.

Updated stats....

Engine:

Mid Longitudally mounted
DOHC: Quad Cams
Cylinder Options:
---72 Degree V10
3D Cams
Fuel Injection w/ Performance ECU (relaibility?)
Keronite (notes below)
Forced Induction Arrangment(Road Version): 6.5-8 litre Twin Superchargers, 750-950bhp
Natural Induction Arrangment(Race Version): 6-7 liter, 625-725bhp
Dry-Sump Lubrication; Fully Synthetic Oil w/ Mixed Boric Acid & Suspended Molybdenum Disulfide Particles, etc.
4 valve
Induction:

Air Filter: foam or oiled cotton ( placed in area of direct airflow)
Intake Tubing: Ceramic-lined/coated hydroformed aluminum
Intercooler (2): Aluminum tube/fin (if using forced induction)
Hotwire air sensor
Intake Manifold: Hydroformed aluminum OR magnesium
Runners: Welded hydroformed intake runners, possibly telescoping



Drive Train:

RWD (leave room for AWD, but unlikely)
electrohydraulically-actuated manual transmission
Gear Box: short six speed
Titanium flywheel /w CF-reinforced SiC friction plate
Center-sprung titanium clutch /w friction material
Titanium carbonitrided maraging steel gears
Carbon fiber drive/halfshafts


Well, I've been working in my new version for 3 days now. Some of you may be disappointed by this news. There is going to be no version 5.

Boohoo..go cry now.

Well, Version 5 was so different from version 4, I decided that it was a different super-car. I'll just say most of you should like it a ton better. I'm trying to finish it in under a week (Imagine that...a whole car design conceptualized and 3D modeled in under a week).

Well, the new car...ummm...no name yet.....so I'll use my classic designation protocol "ZX-3000." I was wanting to name my ZX-1000 "Panther" (something will use that name). The ZX-2000 was the "Predator." The ZX-3000 needs something cooler. Well, lets see how long it takes me to think of a name. 7:12 A.M. on Wednesday right now and I'm about ready to fall asleep.

Assault. I wrote down liek 30 words as fast as I could. Took me a total of 9 minutes to pick the name, but I think I wrote it down about 3 minutes into the process.

So, my current idea is that he car will be called the "Phantom Assault", or the "Assault".


Well, while this works great, I'm trying to think of somethign better. Think a sneaky attack, or stealth, or infultration. Since my company name is Phantom, Phantom Assault works fine....but if anyone thinks of anytign better along these lines, feel free to share.




I'll see how ridiculous this sounds in the morning.

how 'bout advance, charge, incursion, invasion, offensive, onset, onslaught, storm, strike, violation, blitz, raider, strafe, eclipse, executor, blade, spektr, wraith, bober, devastator, destroyer, outrider, infiltrator, darktide.

but my opinion is that you should either creat your own word. or use a group of words to create an acronym that forms a word. (i just watched star wars again so STAP comes to mind Single Trooper Aerial Platform. that of course is just an example.)

-GTi-VR6_A3

:) I can see you like the tehesarus 9I think)

My list:
Ghost, Predator, Stealth, Attack, Strike, Assault, Pounce, Incursion, Invasion, Infiltration, Spy, Imaginary, Suppress, Sneak, Defiance, Penetrate, Hunter, Storm, Wind, Shock, Electricity, Venom, Slice, Wrath, Annihilate, Demolish, War, Doom, Summon, Wound, Splendor, Aura, Inferno, Fire, Implosion, Vengeance, Sword, Crossbow, Blade, Mystery, Enigma, Cloak, Code, Rouge, Mace, Dragon, Prism, Crystal, Gem, Projectile, Missile, Portal, Frost, Spell, Spider, Paralyze, Invincible

Ones I like most:
Assault, Inferno


So will it be the "Phantom Assault" or "Phantom Inferno" Phantom Inferno has a more complete sense than Phantom Assault, but I can't tell if inferno would sound stupid.

i still really think you should try ot invent your own name or acronym. it would do you much better. variety is the spice of life:D

-GTi-VR6_A3

Öhlins shockabsorbers and push rods. www.ohlins.com

Engine, an older F1 engine. 3 or 3,5 litre V10 or V12. Strengthen the construction and replace the pneumatic valvesprings with tradiotional ones (this is a must if the engine does not have an internal air supply pump). Reduce maximum RPM to say 12000 rpm and add two turbochargers (with speedsensors). Fit it with a modern electronic management system from TAG or Magneti Marelli. Carbon-carbon on exhaust manifolds and turbinehouses.
Light weight, small, high power output and quit good reliability.
www.tagelectronics.co.uk
www.magnetimarelli.com

NEVER use hotwire on an engine of this type... SPEED DENSITY is the word.

Gearbox, Xtrac or Hewland six speed transverse transaxle sequential gearbox with built in differential.
www.xtrac.com
www.hewland.com

Electrohydraulic acutated carbon-carbon clutch is a must... but expensive, around $10,000.

Brakes, ceramic for low weight. Carbon-carbon on the race version. ABS with an on/off switch.

Radiators in the front. One diffuser in the front and one rear. A big wing shoukd also be used. This wing should be placed so it helps the rear diffusor creating vacuum. The rear end of the car should also not be "cut off", give it a longer tail (look at the later version of McLaren F1).

Oil, normal synthetic oil like Mobil 1. No antifoam addetives are probably needed.

Airfilterbox in carbon fibre, with oiled cotton filter or glassfibre filter.

Air-air intercoolers and tubing, plenum and runners in carbon fibre or high strength aluminium.

The engine is mounted in titanium mounts in the carbonfibre chassi. The rear suspension is mounted on the gearbox. Cr-Mo tubing from chassi to somewhere between gearbox and engine to give extra strength.

ECU that controls the chassi. Connected with engine ECU and a lagger and a digital LCD dash.

I'm tryign to start, conceptualize, build and perfect the assault in merely a week...so sunday night.

If you want to be notified automatically of updates and stuff, please end my your name and e-mail adress. Send it to.....

[email protected]

...or AIM me at....

PhantomCarDesign

Personally, the best chassis design for a car like that would have to be similar to the Ferrari F50 or the Mercedes-Benz CLK GTR to be stable enough for actual driving. But, it wouldn't have to be too similar.

The chassis itself doesn't really influence stability, unless you've got something like a London double-decker. :)

For a car name, why not The Aggressor/Aggressor? I can't actually remember how you spell aggressor though - is it two s/one s, or two g/one g?:confused:

For driver setup, you should allow the pedals to adjust back and forth and the steering column to fully adjust. The seat should be adjustable in all ways.

The car should have launch control. Check out Racelogic for this (although what they sell may not be scalable enough). Traction control is essential if the car is too be drivable, with on/off option.

The car should also have water injection for turbo cooling, if the car is to be turbo.

Just my 2hp :D :)

hehe you spelt aggressor the same both times! sorry

hey phantom im glad your project is moving along i wish you the best of luck. Hope you find the funding for it real soon you deserve it for taking the plunge