McLaren F1 003

I don't know if it has been already talked about, but 03 is up for sale now:
http://www.symbolicmotors.com/car-538/1994-mclaren-f1.html

Wow - great find! I wonder if the car is here in the USA? Hard to tell from the pics, but that set of images is excellent!

Thanks!

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Wow - great find! I wonder if the car is here in the USA? Hard to tell from the pics, but that set of images is excellent!

Thanks!

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ER
From the looks of the pdf I would guess that it is still in Japan, but I don't know for sure. http://www.symbolicmotors.com/inventory/catalog/1994McLarenF1/McLaren.pdf

I have some Friends that work for SVAG. Symbolic and Lambo of Vegas are all owned by the same people. I will see what info i can get. I just placed a call to one but got his VM so i will keep you posted on any info i can get on the location, price, and any other info i can get.

I have a silly question: The third from last photo of the alcantara headliner has a control panel of some sort near the right door opening. Does anyone know what it is? I've never seen that in any other F1 pictures. Then again, I only see ocasional headliner shots.
(http://www.symbolicmotors.com/car-538/1994-mclaren-f1.html)

From the looks of the pdf I would guess that it is still in Japan, but I don't know for sure. http://www.symbolicmotors.com/inventory/catalog/1994McLarenF1/McLaren.pdf

Interesting - I had missed the link to the .PDF - thanks!

One thing though - "29 F1 GTR race cars" :shakehead :nono:

I have a silly question: The third from last photo of the alcantara headliner has a control panel of some sort near the right door opening. Does anyone know what it is? I've never seen that in any other F1 pictures. Then again, I only see ocasional headliner shots.
(http://www.symbolicmotors.com/car-538/1994-mclaren-f1.html)

It's a frequent location used for things like custom fitted radar detectors or possibly additional audio control equipment. I don't recognize the device fitted, but given this car comes from the device capital of the world (Japan) it could be many different things I think. There was nothing placed there originally in the F1s. Not a silly question at all. :)

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I have been told by a reliable source that the car is here in the USA and in Symbolic's posession at this time. Hopefully I can find an opportunity to go see it.

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Chassis plate thread updated! ;)
Great pics of a car hardly seen despite its mileage :thumbsup:

they want $2.5 million for it if sold in the US
and $2.3 if sold outside where it does not need to be federalized.
It is at Symbolic as we speak but will be goign to Texas for federalization soon

BTW - what's with the GTR stickers and that GTR sign on the window?

Despite those, I am really beginning to like this car, ALOT :licka:

Anyone notice it isn't signed ahead of the chassis plaque

I noticed that in one of the earlier shots from Japan - even naming the file (below) no sig - but didn't remember it til you bought it up :thumbsup:
http://img46.imagevenue.com/loc628/th_99921_no_sig_003_122_628lo.jpg (http://img46.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=99921_no_sig_003_122_628lo.jpg)

they want $2.5 million for it if sold in the US
and $2.3 if sold outside where it does not need to be federalized.
It is at Symbolic as we speak but will be goign to Texas for federalization soon

I can't believe anyone would pay that much. Me thinks they'll sit on the car for a while and then put it up on the auction block getting less than a buyer would've bought beforehand (like #014).

The car has sold and is heading to Texas now, the box in the head liner is like a fast track pass here in California, It talks to you in Japanese. It will remain in the U.S. not sure what state but it will go straight from Texas to the owner.

The car has sold and is heading to Texas now, the box in the head liner is like a fast track pass here in California, It talks to you in Japanese. It will remain in the U.S. not sure what state but it will go straight from Texas to the owner.

wow--thats was was fast as of this morning it was still for sale

Zonda16 sent me these four photos to share with you all of #003 being loaded up for transport.

I'm bummed to have missed out on seeing the car myself, but glad to have seen what we did of the car so far here in the USA. :)

http://img182.imagevenue.com/loc62/th_28697_mclaren_003_074_122_62lo.jpg (http://img182.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=28697_mclaren_003_074_122_62lo.jpg) http://img130.imagevenue.com/loc840/th_28699_mclaren_003_076_122_840lo.jpg (http://img130.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=28699_mclaren_003_076_122_840lo.jpg) http://img218.imagevenue.com/loc379/th_28701_mclaren_003_078_122_379lo.jpg (http://img218.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=28701_mclaren_003_078_122_379lo.jpg) http://img189.imagevenue.com/loc191/th_28703_mclaren_003_091_122_191lo.jpg (http://img189.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=28703_mclaren_003_091_122_191lo.jpg)

All thanks go to him, and enjoy! :cool:

BTW: I didn't realize it before when looking at the Symbolic gallery, but this car appears to have a stripe on the ventline of the door in silver/gray with a red outline.

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weird since i asked the guy today if it had a stripe like Jay's and he said no

Looking back through the Symbolic gallery images, you can see it fairly clearly in this one:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20E/34.jpg

It's more subtle than a solid red stripe would be like on Leno's #015, so I am not surprised to have missed it before and that could explain how your source did too.

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i agree--i think it looks amazing with or without the stripe on this particular car

I can't believe anyone would pay that much. Me thinks they'll sit on the car for a while and then put it up on the auction block getting less than a buyer would've bought beforehand (like #014).

It's not too bad (for the seller), giving the current exchange rate.

I heard the car was already sold before it came to the US, but I'm not sure how reliable that info is as its a new contact for me.

It's not too bad (for the seller), giving the current exchange rate.

I heard the car was already sold before it came to the US, but I'm not sure how reliable that info is as its a new contact for me.

when I talked to the guy down there today he said there were people that were interested but it had not been spoken for as of this morning but from this this thread it seems as if it has been sold

the car stays in America?

According to zonda16, yes:

It will remain in the U.S. not sure what state but it will go straight from Texas to the owner.

Hopefully the new owner isn't one of the lock-it-in-the-garage types. For a car that has already seen quite a bit of use, a little more certainly won't harm its value. The federalization process, although easier with the car being built pre-1996, will still take several months - maybe it will be done in time for some of the large summer events out here.

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would be cool to see it at pebble beach

Damn it! I don't come to this forum for about a week, and I miss an F1 in my backyard...

Well, if the car makes its way back to Symbolic, let us know. I'd love to swing by and check it out. This would be the third F1 I've seen because of Symbolic (and fourth total).

wow--thats was was fast as of this morning it was still for sale

Interesting. I wonder who federalizes in Texas. I've always thought that Ameritech would get most of those, as they did the initial seven (from the R&T cover car on) in the U.S. There is also a company here in Baltimore that has done a few Porsche 959's, but I figured many did not survive the end of the "grey market" days. But that was a fast sale.

Looking back through the Symbolic gallery images, you can see it fairly clearly in this one:



It's more subtle than a solid red stripe would be like on Leno's #015, so I am not surprised to have missed it before and that could explain how your source did too.

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Peloton, is this the Kenwood calendar car? I have the calendar somewhere but can't find it, but I remember it had the door accent and those mirrors.

That was chassis #002 with a red vent line, compared to #003 with a grey-with-red vent line

Interesting. I wonder who federalizes in Texas.

If the car is going to Texas, this is where it will end up. They've done a few F1s in the past and are the only Registered Importer that I know of in Texas:

WALLACE ENVIRONMENTAL TEST LAB
2140 WIRTCREST LN
HOUSTON, TX 77055

http://www.wallacelab.com

I've always thought that Ameritech would get most of those, as they did the initial seven (from the R&T cover car on) in the U.S. There is also a company here in Baltimore that has done a few Porsche 959's, but I figured many did not survive the end of the "grey market" days. But that was a fast sale.

Amerispec was actually the name of the company that did the original 7 F1s. They called the cars "Ameritech F1s" to go along with the idea they were the manufacturer instead of McLaren. They have long since been out of the business of converting cars, and may have only done one or two F1s under the new 'Show or Display' rule besides the 7 they did prior to that.

J.K. Technologies is likely the company in Baltimore you mentioned. They've converted a few F1s as well. I am actually surprised the car didn't go to G & K Automotive here in Santa Ana, CA as that would have been a lot more convenient, especially if the car will remain here on the west coast when finished.

As Greg mentioned the Kenwood Calendar photos were of chassis #002. We know this because those same photos were used in a softcover book published by Autocar called "McLaren's Road Car - F1" which was printed when only #002 had been completed and clearly identified the car in the photos as such.

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If the car is going to Texas, this is where it will end up. They've done a few F1s in the past and are the only Registered Importer that I know of in Texas:

WALLACE ENVIRONMENTAL TEST LAB
2140 WIRTCREST LN
HOUSTON, TX 77055

http://www.wallacelab.com
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Were they a fledgling company when 042 was purchased? I.e., I'm guessing they had just started or weren't around and that's why 042 was federalized in Conn. and then driven to Texas. Then again, if it were me and I didn't have to worry about the mileage restrictions of Show & Display, I'd happily do that drive in an F1. :smokin:


Amerispec was actually the name of the company that did the original 7 F1s. They called the cars "Ameritech F1s" to go along with the idea they were the manufacturer instead of McLaren. They have long since been out of the business of converting cars, and may have only done one or two F1s under the new 'Show or Display' rule besides the 7 they did prior to that.

J.K. Technologies is likely the company in Baltimore you mentioned. They've converted a few F1s as well. I am actually surprised the car didn't go to G & K Automotive here in Santa Ana, CA as that would have been a lot more convenient, especially if the car will remain here on the west coast when finished.

As Greg mentioned the Kenwood Calendar photos were of chassis #002. We know this because those same photos were used in a softcover book published by Autocar called "McLaren's Road Car - F1" which was printed when only #002 had been completed and clearly identified the car in the photos as such.

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Yes, you're right. J.K. was the company mentioned in the article I read. I figured, if they're good enough to do 959s and get them approved, then...

I remember the AutoCar book. I gave it to a co-worker/fellow F1 fanatic as a going away present. Nice guy, but I should have kept that one. :screwy: Well, at least I still have the calendar and a box of other magazines.

Well #042 was an Ameritech car and came in before the 'Show or Display' law was passed and before any of these other companies would have been able to do that sort of thing with an F1.

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Well #042 was an Ameritech car and came in before the 'Show or Display' law was passed and before any of these other companies would have been able to do that sort of thing with an F1.

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True, true; I forgot this. :banghead: Per AutoWeek's 1/8/01 issue, the first car to be approved under Show and Display was Gary Bartlett's XJ220, followed by Bryan Milazzo's 959, with S&D first becoming law on 7/14/99. Oh Forty-Two graced the pages of R&T in Dec. 97. Will have to reread that AutoWeek article (in fact, I'll try to scan and post it soon). I am guessing that after it became law, all F1s brought into the U.S. had to fall under show & display, yes?

You could bring one in temporarily under the HS-7 form if you are a non-resident:

A vehicle registered in another country may be imported for personal use for a period not to exceed one year. The vehicle cannot be sold and it must be exported within one year from the date of entry. Your passport number and country of issue are required on the HS-7 form. Use Box 5 on HS-7 form.

The only F1 I know of that was imported post rule changes without going through the federalization process for Show or Display exemption was eventually confiscated by US Customs. The owner was charged with various crimes related to the importation and while he was not convicted, the car was eventually exported once the trial had finished. You can read some of the details here:

Thomas Wieringa trial about to begin (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=566325)

Or search our forum on the owner's last name for other discussions about chassis #069.

I look forward to seeing the AutoWeek article you mentioned. :cool:

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You could bring one in temporarily under the HS-7 form if you are a non-resident:



The only F1 I know of that was imported post rule changes without going through the federalization process for Show or Display exemption was eventually confiscated by US Customs. The owner was charged with various crimes related to the importation and while he was not convicted, the car was eventually exported once the trial had finished. You can read some of the details here:

Thomas Wieringa trial about to begin (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=566325)

Or search our forum on the owner's last name for other discussions about chassis #069.

I look forward to seeing the AutoWeek article you mentioned. :cool:

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Scanned it this afternoon, and here is the link. Just read the trial articles. I'm glad he won. The first Acura NSX brought to this country was a pre-production version for the car mags to test. Even though it was historically significant, U.S. govt. still sent it to valhalla. :eek: Of course, the McLaren is in another universe as far as rarity, but it wouldn't have surprised me if things headed in that direction. Glad things went the way they did for Wieringa. Anyhoo, I've always found this AutoWeek article very informative.



http://img231.imagevenue.com/loc487/th_94547_ShowDisp1_122_487lo.jpg (http://img231.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=94547_ShowDisp1_122_487lo.jpg)http://img213.imagevenue.com/loc51/th_94549_ShowDisp2_122_51lo.jpg (http://img213.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=94549_ShowDisp2_122_51lo.jpg)http://img170.imagevenue.com/loc1042/th_94551_ShowDisp3_122_1042lo.jpg (http://img170.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=94551_ShowDisp3_122_1042lo.jpg)http://img194.imagevenue.com/loc546/th_94554_ShowDisp4_122_546lo.jpg (http://img194.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=94554_ShowDisp4_122_546lo.jpg)
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Thanks for sharing that article. It's great and I had not seen it before. :cool:

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Thanks for sharing that article. It's great and I had not seen it before. :cool:

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Wow, and I thought you'd seen it all? Will probably scan up some other rare articles and place them in the scans thread.

Thanks for sharing that article. It's great and I had not seen it before. :cool:

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You must have. Its like the first article i ever read on S&D

courtesy of wspeer off Fchat -
http://img144.imagevenue.com/loc700/th_84414_mclaren_122_700lo.jpg (http://img144.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=84414_mclaren_122_700lo.jpg)

And here are some pics of it in the BMW Garage (at Woodlands, TX?), where it tried to get federalization and allegedly failed on emissions


http://img185.imagevenue.com/loc129/th_57145_F1engine_122_129lo.jpg (http://img185.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=57145_F1engine_122_129lo.jpg) http://img172.imagevenue.com/loc889/th_57159_McF1_122_889lo.jpg (http://img172.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=57159_McF1_122_889lo.jpg) http://img170.imagevenue.com/loc963/th_57161_F1interior_122_963lo.jpg (http://img170.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=57161_F1interior_122_963lo.jpg)

Wow, do you have any more details about it being in The Woodlands? I'm from there, and even though I live in NYC now, I find it bizarre and fascinating that an F1 passed through. Was it BMW Houston North, and why there?

Strange - now, as it seems to be sold, it appears on Classicdriver:

http://classicdriver.de/de/find/4100_results.asp?bsubmit=true&lmanufacturer=10084&lCarID=1760671

Roger

Strange - now, as it seems to be sold, it appears on Classicdriver:
RogerGermans - always a little behind the rest of the civilised world :evillol: (only joking Roger :smile: )

Germans - always a little behind the rest of the civilised world :evillol: (only joking Roger :smile: )
At least we made the engine properly... :smooch:

At least we made the engine properly... :smooch:Even though it was too heavy, although the increased power made up for it :naughty::lol2:

Hi,

do you read the pdf file ? Very interesting.

Phil

The car has sold and is heading to Texas

I've just been told that #003 is still for sale at Symbolic....

I've just been told that #003 is still for sale at Symbolic....

I believe both cars are located at the service center not the showroom in La Jolla. I will stop by later to confirm.

Both cars are here but no pics. Hopefully they’ll transport them to the showroom sometime soon. Did Peloton25 (Erik) make it down?

I haven't finalized plans to get down there yet. Sounds like I had better do so soon. :naughty:

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Give me the heads up if you're coming down Erik. I can try to meet you there or something.

Did this car get sold? I don't see it on Symbolic's website anymore.

Spotted today in Sarasota, FL.

http://www.thebestemployee.com/forum/showthread.php?p=138120390#post138120390

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Spotted today in Sarasota, FL.

http://www.thebestemployee.com/forum/showthread.php?p=138120390#post138120390

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http://img248.imagevenue.com/loc412/th_15138_IMG00088_122_412lo.jpg (http://img248.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=15138_IMG00088_122_412lo.jpg)

Poking around last night and came across this link:

http://www.unclealbertspub.com/gallery/McClaren

Pics were taken at Wallace Labs around June 4th 2008, not 1/31/2005 as the EXIF image details show. Not the greatest images we've ever seen, but you can click on the image twice for high res versions.

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