s2000 vs. BMW M roadster
crash77
02-23-2003, 03:40 PM
does any1 know hoo would win?
:confused:
:confused:
vhr4710
02-25-2003, 09:12 PM
the beamer would whip ass, sorry, i hate it also, but that car has like 315horses, its just that way, sorry!!
NISSANSPDR
02-26-2003, 12:04 AM
I also think the M would win...
Torque is nice
Torque is nice
crash77
02-26-2003, 08:58 AM
thanx guys! im not really a big s2000 fan myself.i lov beamers.
thanx again!
thanx again!
BlOOe46
02-26-2003, 12:02 PM
if u are talking post 00 m roadsters, the m roadster would win
a better comparison would be s52b32 m roadsters vs s2000 . . . 240hp vs 240hp, although the m roadster would still have the advantage of torque, the s2000 might have a better top end . . .
a better comparison would be s52b32 m roadsters vs s2000 . . . 240hp vs 240hp, although the m roadster would still have the advantage of torque, the s2000 might have a better top end . . .
teresaluvr
03-03-2003, 07:50 PM
just the fact that a 4 cyllinder engine can keep up with a 6 cyllinder is amazing. the f20 has the highest hp/liter ratio of any production car in the world. 4 cyllinders 240hp vs 6 cyllinder 240? is this comparison fair? How bout comparing the new prototype s2k R with the 6 cyllinder engine. 350NA hp. nuf said. BMWho?
del
03-03-2003, 08:11 PM
Originally posted by teresaluvr
just the fact that a 4 cyllinder engine can keep up with a 6 cyllinder is amazing. the f20 has the highest hp/liter ratio of any production car in the world. 4 cyllinders 240hp vs 6 cyllinder 240? is this comparison fair? How bout comparing the new prototype s2k R with the 6 cyllinder engine. 350NA hp. nuf said. BMWho?
true, the s2000's engine is remarkable at what it can do. but for usable power on the street, i think the M roadster is a far more practical use. you literally have to redline the S2000 and keep it close to redline to get any power out of it. if you can do that on a constant basis, the S2000 is one of the funnest cars on the road, and it is quick if you know how to drive it. but i would put money on the M roadster 9 times out of 10 in real-world situations.
hp per liter looks good only on paper. on the street, it's not much of any use. this is coming from a honda guy. i love the S2000, it's great looking car and it's fun to drive. but it belongs on a race track, and strictly on a race track. for street cars, there are better performers.
just the fact that a 4 cyllinder engine can keep up with a 6 cyllinder is amazing. the f20 has the highest hp/liter ratio of any production car in the world. 4 cyllinders 240hp vs 6 cyllinder 240? is this comparison fair? How bout comparing the new prototype s2k R with the 6 cyllinder engine. 350NA hp. nuf said. BMWho?
true, the s2000's engine is remarkable at what it can do. but for usable power on the street, i think the M roadster is a far more practical use. you literally have to redline the S2000 and keep it close to redline to get any power out of it. if you can do that on a constant basis, the S2000 is one of the funnest cars on the road, and it is quick if you know how to drive it. but i would put money on the M roadster 9 times out of 10 in real-world situations.
hp per liter looks good only on paper. on the street, it's not much of any use. this is coming from a honda guy. i love the S2000, it's great looking car and it's fun to drive. but it belongs on a race track, and strictly on a race track. for street cars, there are better performers.
crash77
03-03-2003, 08:29 PM
i agree. the m whoops ass in a not as turny course. but a race in an oval track, the s200 would win.
fatninja19
03-03-2003, 09:23 PM
Originally posted by crash77
i agree. the m whoops ass in a not as turny course. but a race in an oval track, the s200 would win.
What makes you think the s2k will out handle the M Coupe in a 'not as turny course'(roadcourse???) ? The handling abilities of the two should be quite similar, and the s2k should also be less rigid than the M coupe due to the convertable traits. And an oval track? Does the S2k have a lot better top end than the M coupe?? Because an oval track entails pretty much of only top end power. And if you're comparing the most recent s2k to the most recent M coupe.... The s2k would be done for in either scenarios.
i agree. the m whoops ass in a not as turny course. but a race in an oval track, the s200 would win.
What makes you think the s2k will out handle the M Coupe in a 'not as turny course'(roadcourse???) ? The handling abilities of the two should be quite similar, and the s2k should also be less rigid than the M coupe due to the convertable traits. And an oval track? Does the S2k have a lot better top end than the M coupe?? Because an oval track entails pretty much of only top end power. And if you're comparing the most recent s2k to the most recent M coupe.... The s2k would be done for in either scenarios.
GT-R4life
03-03-2003, 09:46 PM
I'm gonna take the M on this one
del
03-03-2003, 10:36 PM
fatninja is right. the newest M roadster will rape an s2000. 3.2 I6 with 315hp and 251 lb ft of torque (www.bmwusa.com) vs 2L I4 with 240hp and only 153 lb ft of torque. i think teresaluvr was referring to the older M roadsters.
Neutrino
03-04-2003, 02:36 AM
The M without a doubt.
crash77
03-04-2003, 07:15 PM
sorry guys. i dissagree with u. i got a s2k myself. i got it in 2000. i have a friend who has a 2000 M roadster. we raced on an oval course and a road course.
my s2k whooped ass.
the m won on a drag race though:(
my s2k whooped ass.
the m won on a drag race though:(
fatninja19
03-04-2003, 08:32 PM
Would you consider yourselves equal drivers or are you more superior? And are you comparing s2k's to pre or post M Roadsters?
And please excuse my wrong referene to M Coupes.. For some odd reason.. I was thinking about Coupes. My bad.
And please excuse my wrong referene to M Coupes.. For some odd reason.. I was thinking about Coupes. My bad.
Ringo
03-04-2003, 09:02 PM
This comparison is slightly unfair because of different engine sizes. It is like comparing a Viper to a Corvette. But yes I agree with most that the BMW would devour the S2000 like sushi.
BlOOe46
03-05-2003, 07:14 AM
Originally posted by crash77
sorry guys. i dissagree with u. i got a s2k myself. i got it in 2000. i have a friend who has a 2000 M roadster. we raced on an oval course and a road course.
my s2k whooped ass.
the m won on a drag race though:(
the 00s were the s52 engines, 240hp, ~230lb ft at the crank
the s2k and the M here are very similar and a good comparison
had it been an s54, 315hp, ~250lb ft at the crank
no chance . . .
btw, someone still not realize that s2k type R thing was all a joke? if u read at the bottom of the article it was written by some guy who was just kidding . . . :bloated:
sorry guys. i dissagree with u. i got a s2k myself. i got it in 2000. i have a friend who has a 2000 M roadster. we raced on an oval course and a road course.
my s2k whooped ass.
the m won on a drag race though:(
the 00s were the s52 engines, 240hp, ~230lb ft at the crank
the s2k and the M here are very similar and a good comparison
had it been an s54, 315hp, ~250lb ft at the crank
no chance . . .
btw, someone still not realize that s2k type R thing was all a joke? if u read at the bottom of the article it was written by some guy who was just kidding . . . :bloated:
Frostbyte
03-06-2003, 09:12 AM
Originally posted by teresaluvr
just the fact that a 4 cyllinder engine can keep up with a 6 cyllinder is amazing. the f20 has the highest hp/liter ratio of any production car in the world. 4 cyllinders 240hp vs 6 cyllinder 240? is this comparison fair? How bout comparing the new prototype s2k R with the 6 cyllinder engine. 350NA hp. nuf said. BMWho?
The S2000 R is false. There is not really an S2000 R being made.
just the fact that a 4 cyllinder engine can keep up with a 6 cyllinder is amazing. the f20 has the highest hp/liter ratio of any production car in the world. 4 cyllinders 240hp vs 6 cyllinder 240? is this comparison fair? How bout comparing the new prototype s2k R with the 6 cyllinder engine. 350NA hp. nuf said. BMWho?
The S2000 R is false. There is not really an S2000 R being made.
Deakins
03-06-2003, 09:49 AM
Originally posted by teresaluvr
How bout comparing the new prototype s2k R with the 6 cyllinder engine. 350NA hp. nuf said. BMWho?
Look at the M3 engine, that's a real engine, and not just a dream.
How bout comparing the new prototype s2k R with the 6 cyllinder engine. 350NA hp. nuf said. BMWho?
Look at the M3 engine, that's a real engine, and not just a dream.
crash77
03-06-2003, 05:40 PM
did u hear they might stop production of the s2000?
will this happen?:eek: :confused:
will this happen?:eek: :confused:
GTStang
03-06-2003, 07:08 PM
The only way the S2000 would beat a M-roadster is if you hooked a trailer to the back of the M-roadster.
del
03-06-2003, 08:00 PM
Originally posted by crash77
did u hear they might stop production of the s2000?
will this happen?:eek: :confused:
honda originally planned on the S2000 to be a limited production model run until 2005. however, word is that they'll continue production coz the S2000 has been selling well above 5000 a year in the US, which was supposed to be the maximum number of S2000's shipped to the US yearly. if you can figure out how that worked, let me know. even an S2200 coupe version is supposed to be released.
did u hear they might stop production of the s2000?
will this happen?:eek: :confused:
honda originally planned on the S2000 to be a limited production model run until 2005. however, word is that they'll continue production coz the S2000 has been selling well above 5000 a year in the US, which was supposed to be the maximum number of S2000's shipped to the US yearly. if you can figure out how that worked, let me know. even an S2200 coupe version is supposed to be released.
Jimster
03-07-2003, 12:28 AM
Of course the M Roadster is much better- but much more expensive as well
Polygon
03-07-2003, 09:37 AM
Hands down, the M has my vote.
Pick
03-07-2003, 05:29 PM
I don't even see this as a good comparison. A Honda 4-banger against a V-8 BMW, this isn't even close.
Beemer all the way.
Beemer all the way.
Deakins
03-07-2003, 05:41 PM
The M roadster is a inline six.
Pick
03-07-2003, 06:01 PM
My fault, I came by it honestly: the BMW has V-8 like power. Forgive me boys. Its still better.
Domerz
03-08-2003, 09:25 PM
a 9000 rpm redline does help. The s2000 will run 14.4 in the quarter and the beamer for the coupe about mid 13's and fourteens. It isn't fair though put a supercharger and gain 90 horses and add a clutch to the s2000 and the the v6 doesn't matter at all. It's all about weight then and add nitrous to both cars to make it fairer. The s2000 will run to 9000 dropping the cluch at 6000rpm blowing the m3 off the road much like the M3 would blow it's rear end all over the track. That car can't handle that much power and would blow up without internal work to the engine. That is where the 9000 rpm comes in on the s2000 comes into play it's designed for one thing and that's to be a roadster.:flipa:
fatninja19
03-09-2003, 01:14 AM
Originally posted by Domerz
a 9000 rpm redline does help. The s2000 will run 14.4 in the quarter and the beamer for the coupe about mid 13's and fourteens. It isn't fair though put a supercharger and gain 90 horses and add a clutch to the s2000 and the the v6 doesn't matter at all. It's all about weight then and add nitrous to both cars to make it fairer. The s2000 will run to 9000 dropping the cluch at 6000rpm blowing the m3 off the road much like the M3 would blow it's rear end all over the track. That car can't handle that much power and would blow up without internal work to the engine. That is where the 9000 rpm comes in on the s2000 comes into play it's designed for one thing and that's to be a roadster.:flipa:
What the heck is all that jabber about????:confused:
a 9000 rpm redline does help. The s2000 will run 14.4 in the quarter and the beamer for the coupe about mid 13's and fourteens. It isn't fair though put a supercharger and gain 90 horses and add a clutch to the s2000 and the the v6 doesn't matter at all. It's all about weight then and add nitrous to both cars to make it fairer. The s2000 will run to 9000 dropping the cluch at 6000rpm blowing the m3 off the road much like the M3 would blow it's rear end all over the track. That car can't handle that much power and would blow up without internal work to the engine. That is where the 9000 rpm comes in on the s2000 comes into play it's designed for one thing and that's to be a roadster.:flipa:
What the heck is all that jabber about????:confused:
Polygon
03-09-2003, 02:31 AM
Originally posted by fatninja19
What the heck is all that jabber about????:confused:
Sounds like a magazine ricer to me. That was one big load of bullshit he is shoveling over there.
What the heck is all that jabber about????:confused:
Sounds like a magazine ricer to me. That was one big load of bullshit he is shoveling over there.
crash77
03-09-2003, 05:15 PM
no shit!:finger: :D
BlOOe46
03-10-2003, 11:01 AM
yeah . . . that WAS one load of bullshit
That is where the 9000 rpm comes in on the s2000 comes into play it's designed for one thing and that's to be a roadster.
umm . . . explain how having to rev to 6000 RPMs to gain any real power is beneficial in a drag race?
just because one car revs to a higher limit then another to make power doesnt mean its more designed to be a "roadster"
the definition of a roadster is a two seat convertible sports car
That is where the 9000 rpm comes in on the s2000 comes into play it's designed for one thing and that's to be a roadster.
umm . . . explain how having to rev to 6000 RPMs to gain any real power is beneficial in a drag race?
just because one car revs to a higher limit then another to make power doesnt mean its more designed to be a "roadster"
the definition of a roadster is a two seat convertible sports car
fatninja19
03-11-2003, 06:05 PM
So the arguments for the s2k on day to day driving characteristics has deemed it subordinate to the M roadster ( ie. reving up pretty high just to get going, due to lack of torque in the s2k). The M roadster also seems to be superior in a drag race as well as on a road course.
Now what do you guys think about the ergonomics, value, etc about these two?
Now what do you guys think about the ergonomics, value, etc about these two?
crash77
03-11-2003, 07:38 PM
values.... i dont know what the m goes for. the s2k is a great deal $50,000 for somthing that does 3x better than a boxter which is $80,000!:flipa:
del
03-11-2003, 07:56 PM
Originally posted by crash77
values.... i dont know what the m goes for. the s2k is a great deal $50,000 for somthing that does 3x better than a boxter which is $80,000!:flipa:
um, the s2000 lists for $32000. not $50,000. and the boxter is not $80,000. more like $50,000. check your sources. :flipa: i do think honda went cheap on the interior, as well as the material for the rag top. the first couple years, the S2000 came in a plastic rear window. only a year ago did honda offer a real glass rear window. but what you get is a highly technologically advanced engine, probably the best 6 speed gearbox on the market, and a fun-to-drive factor that goes through the roof. but at the expense of passenger/cargo room,
values.... i dont know what the m goes for. the s2k is a great deal $50,000 for somthing that does 3x better than a boxter which is $80,000!:flipa:
um, the s2000 lists for $32000. not $50,000. and the boxter is not $80,000. more like $50,000. check your sources. :flipa: i do think honda went cheap on the interior, as well as the material for the rag top. the first couple years, the S2000 came in a plastic rear window. only a year ago did honda offer a real glass rear window. but what you get is a highly technologically advanced engine, probably the best 6 speed gearbox on the market, and a fun-to-drive factor that goes through the roof. but at the expense of passenger/cargo room,
Jimster
03-11-2003, 08:00 PM
Originally posted by crash77
values.... i dont know what the m goes for. the s2k is a great deal $50,000 for somthing that does 3x better than a boxter which is $80,000!:flipa:
FIRSTLY It's Boxster and sedcodly does what 3 times better than the Boxster???? Back up what you say or pipe down :rolleyes:
values.... i dont know what the m goes for. the s2k is a great deal $50,000 for somthing that does 3x better than a boxter which is $80,000!:flipa:
FIRSTLY It's Boxster and sedcodly does what 3 times better than the Boxster???? Back up what you say or pipe down :rolleyes:
crash77
03-11-2003, 08:37 PM
NOW WERE ARGURING! GREAT!:newburn: :zx11pisse
Jimster
03-11-2003, 09:48 PM
Originally posted by crash77
NOW WERE ARGURING! GREAT!:newburn: :zx11pisse
OK Perhaps it's about time you selected the "Pipe down" option:rolleyes:
NOW WERE ARGURING! GREAT!:newburn: :zx11pisse
OK Perhaps it's about time you selected the "Pipe down" option:rolleyes:
huy tran
04-18-2003, 03:35 AM
wow, what we got here is another "MAG RACING" ...magazine racing post...have any of you driven a S or a M? they are both good open top roadster for the average driver for their daily usage...the S is not much of a dragster... the S was designed for the Track...with a good drive, this car MOB on the track
check out the boys from Cali, laptime
some...
http://speedventures.net/event_results_db.asp?event=11/15/2002-Buttonwillow&results=OA&s=lt
http://speedventures.net/event_results_db.asp?event=6/20/2002-Thunderhill&results=OA&s=lt
http://speedventures.net/event_results_db.asp?event=6/21/2002-Thunderhill&results=OA&s=lt
more...
http://speedventures.net/event_results.asp
check out the boys from Cali, laptime
some...
http://speedventures.net/event_results_db.asp?event=11/15/2002-Buttonwillow&results=OA&s=lt
http://speedventures.net/event_results_db.asp?event=6/20/2002-Thunderhill&results=OA&s=lt
http://speedventures.net/event_results_db.asp?event=6/21/2002-Thunderhill&results=OA&s=lt
more...
http://speedventures.net/event_results.asp
flylwsi
04-19-2003, 12:48 PM
much like the M3 would blow it's rear end all over the track. That car can't handle that much power and would blow up without internal work to the engine
that's funny stuff...
explain how there are so many cars (like the European Car project M3 that's turbo'd with about 400hp) that have stock rears in them?
that haven't blown?
right..
punctuation is your friend... honest... it doesn't bite...
crash77, where are these road and oval tracks at that you've raced your s2k vs. an m roadster?
i find it interesting that b/c someone said something about both types of tracks that you come out and say you ran on both, in the very next post...
hmm...
i'll choose the beemer for the simple fact that at 2k rpm in 4th gear, you can step on it and go places, instead of waiting for the tq to show up at a peaky 7500rpm in the s2k...
not that 175 tq is anything special, when you compare it to 300ish...
i like the s2k, but not compared to the m roadster, though i prefer it's styling...
that's funny stuff...
explain how there are so many cars (like the European Car project M3 that's turbo'd with about 400hp) that have stock rears in them?
that haven't blown?
right..
punctuation is your friend... honest... it doesn't bite...
crash77, where are these road and oval tracks at that you've raced your s2k vs. an m roadster?
i find it interesting that b/c someone said something about both types of tracks that you come out and say you ran on both, in the very next post...
hmm...
i'll choose the beemer for the simple fact that at 2k rpm in 4th gear, you can step on it and go places, instead of waiting for the tq to show up at a peaky 7500rpm in the s2k...
not that 175 tq is anything special, when you compare it to 300ish...
i like the s2k, but not compared to the m roadster, though i prefer it's styling...
flylwsi
04-19-2003, 12:49 PM
much like the M3 would blow it's rear end all over the track. That car can't handle that much power and would blow up without internal work to the engine
one more thing...
as i'm nitpicky...
how would internal engine mods help a car from not blowing it's rear end?
riiight... :licker:
one more thing...
as i'm nitpicky...
how would internal engine mods help a car from not blowing it's rear end?
riiight... :licker:
Deejay4lyfe
04-19-2003, 12:52 PM
The M Would win:sun:
crash77
04-19-2003, 03:44 PM
i have a friend who works at california speedway. he got us in and raced there.
flylwsi
04-20-2003, 03:37 PM
so, without any mods to either car that you listed, some friend of yours let you onto the oval and road course?
for top speed runs, no less?
tough one to swallow, considering that there's things like safety checks, and his job to consider.
and i'm pretty sure he would have lost his job, or should have, as neither car in "stock" form would be able to get onto that track unless you paid mega bucks, like TV shows do to get that done...
and i don't think you do...
is there more to your story, or were you waiting for the doubt before you made it up?
for top speed runs, no less?
tough one to swallow, considering that there's things like safety checks, and his job to consider.
and i'm pretty sure he would have lost his job, or should have, as neither car in "stock" form would be able to get onto that track unless you paid mega bucks, like TV shows do to get that done...
and i don't think you do...
is there more to your story, or were you waiting for the doubt before you made it up?
crash77
04-20-2003, 05:15 PM
k so i amde it up. but i do have an s2k. we did street and drag race.
i found the oval track facts on the internet. sry guys.
i found the oval track facts on the internet. sry guys.
Pick
04-20-2003, 05:43 PM
Originally posted by crash77
k so i amde it up. but i do have an s2k. we did street and drag race.
i found the oval track facts on the internet. sry guys.
:finger: :finger:
k so i amde it up. but i do have an s2k. we did street and drag race.
i found the oval track facts on the internet. sry guys.
:finger: :finger:
crash77
04-20-2003, 06:42 PM
thanx pick. i needed that.
TheExperience
04-21-2003, 12:56 AM
"better to leave your mouth shut, and be thought a fool, than to open it and leave no doubt." Mark Twain.
Anyway, I think the m roadster would have the upper hand in any situation, road course or drag. Torque is a nice advantage. I would much rather have an s2000 though. The roadcourse race would be nice to watch, I'm not so sure now about the m winning on a roadcourse, who knows. Depends on what track too.
Anyway, I think the m roadster would have the upper hand in any situation, road course or drag. Torque is a nice advantage. I would much rather have an s2000 though. The roadcourse race would be nice to watch, I'm not so sure now about the m winning on a roadcourse, who knows. Depends on what track too.
Pick
04-21-2003, 08:37 AM
Originally posted by crash77
thanx pick. i needed that.
You're welcome.
thanx pick. i needed that.
You're welcome.
kaoru-tochiro
04-21-2003, 08:53 AM
:apuke: people comparing a Honda to a BMW?
Why don't we compare chinese food to a fine dinner at a gourmet restaurant? :apuke:
Why don't we compare chinese food to a fine dinner at a gourmet restaurant? :apuke:
flylwsi
04-21-2003, 10:23 AM
considering that both cars are what would be considered fine dining, we are pretty even.
why not just compare, not complain?
if you've never been to an upscale chinese dining establishment, don't talk.
why not just compare, not complain?
if you've never been to an upscale chinese dining establishment, don't talk.
TheExperience
04-21-2003, 01:43 PM
Seriously. The S2000 is quality. So is the Beamer. Plus, its Japanese food, and sushi bars are expensive as hell..
kaoru-tochiro
04-23-2003, 10:22 AM
Originally posted by flylwsi
why not just compare, not complain?
The S2000 could have impressed me a bit more if they could have gotten 200 lbs/ft of torque. Making it rev to 10,000 is a gimmick to make the car seem like some ultra sportscar.
The MRoadster is more of a heavy, street luxuryous roadster, while the Homda is much lighter and tumed for the race track.
why not just compare, not complain?
The S2000 could have impressed me a bit more if they could have gotten 200 lbs/ft of torque. Making it rev to 10,000 is a gimmick to make the car seem like some ultra sportscar.
The MRoadster is more of a heavy, street luxuryous roadster, while the Homda is much lighter and tumed for the race track.
flylwsi
04-23-2003, 12:37 PM
that's a bit better than trying to say they're not the same, and not comparable.
both companies have their strong points.
honda's is building high rev motors. bmw builds torque monsters.
these cars display that perfectly
both companies have their strong points.
honda's is building high rev motors. bmw builds torque monsters.
these cars display that perfectly
Apotheosis
06-28-2003, 02:17 AM
I have been in both and have to say the M-roadster would take it off the line but the S2000 has a higher power band and has less weight. The top speed probably would make the S2000 the winner. I think both cars are 240ish HP.
It would be a good race though!
It would be a good race though!
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