Just ordered B16...

Just ordered my b16 from hmotors... steve is a really good guy... he told me to expect the arrival around March 7, 2003...

I got off from school the week of the 17-23 so it will be going in then...

I'll take pictures of the entire swap process and post it so you guys can see my progress...

It shouldnt be too hard b/c my brother/pops and I took on a b16 in a rex... that was our first swap and we didnt know anything about swaps...
Hopefully mine will go smoother...

Wish us Luck!!!
Later...
Julian

B16a. Great choice for a motor in your hatch. You will have lots of fun with it. HMotorsOnline is a great place to get motors form. One of my best friends is in the process of getting a B16a, or LS motor from HMotors for his 91 Civic 4 door. Keep us posted on the install and let us know if you have any problems. Good Luck! :flash:

NICE! Keep us updated now.:)

another one falls victim of the b series hype :o

Originally posted by civicHBsi91
another one falls victim of the b series hype :o

You don't even know what the hell you're talking about. You're hype, and all the D series BS talk. There aren't even any fast D series guys on this board, but all the guys with B16s are 14 second cars stock so to speak. All the guys who act like they are too cool for a swap (usually just too cheap) also don't have built D series motors, they just talk about them online, and the huge cool build ups that "they're going to do"... :rolleyes:

Congrats on the purchase dude.. You don't be disappointed.

Originally posted by SiZ


You don't even know what the hell you're talking about. You're hype, and all the D series BS talk. There aren't even any fast D series guys on this board, but all the guys with B16s are 14 second cars stock so to speak. All the guys who act like they are too cool for a swap (usually just too cheap) also don't have built D series motors, they just talk about them online, and the huge cool build ups that "they're going to do"... :rolleyes:

Congrats on the purchase dude.. You don't be disappointed.

Thank you!:)

lol ok, time will come, youll see timeslips just wait

I also agree, congrats on the B16. I am a fan of what can be achieved with the d series, but when I ride in my friends GSR, soon as that dohc vtec hits and pins you back in your seat ... you cant stop smiling. :cool:

civichbsi91, arent you running an a6?

EDIT: Checked out your sig and saw the d16z6 ... stock for stock still cant hang with the b16 though.

i am, i will be running a z6 very soon

and ill be acouple hundred dollars richer...some mods and the b16 has suffered a defeat

alright, thanks to evryone who supports my decision...
the b16 wont be going in stock... got some type r cams and intake manifold going in there... and to the person who thinks it all hype, yeah you can keep thinking that :rolleyes:

that b16 in the crx we did pulled HARD...going up a steep inclined hill it chirped second like my car spins first... and that was with a stock clutch...stock everything....

so whateva, we'll see... thanks for the support guys and i'll be sure to keep you posted...

later,
julian

Originally posted by civicHBsi91
and ill be acouple hundred dollars richer...some mods and the b16 has suffered a defeat

blah blah blah... Are you still day dreaming out loud? Who drives around with a stock B16 anyway?!

i do not knock the b16 i think its just over rated has good hp and AMAZING! tq numbers and all :rolleyes: but you could go faster with a d-series with the same money that you would put into a b16 IMO

Originally posted by SiZ


Who drives around with a stock B16 anyway?!

Me:(

Originally posted by civicHBsi91
i do not knock the b16 i think its just over rated has good hp and AMAZING! tq numbers and all :rolleyes: but you could go faster with a d-series with the same money that you would put into a b16 IMO

B16 is torqueless man. Its more expensive to modify d series than b-series. Or it needs alot more work to make it real fast. I don't hate on d-series motor but they dont have much potential as the b-series.

i think your crazy, you spend what a good 2,000+ on a b16 swap, ill spend about 650 and i can sell the tranny...i can use other d series motor parts to bump compression ect........i dont know why you think its more expensive

Originally posted by civicHBsi91
i think your crazy, you spend what a good 2,000+ on a b16 swap, ill spend about 650 and i can sell the tranny...i can use other d series motor parts to bump compression ect........i dont know why you think its more expensive


Bumping compression doesn't give a whole lot of hp. Oh it wont be enough to even HANG with a b16. Even if you have basic bolt ons with 11:5 compression will not be enough. Maybe someday you'll find out when u go race a rex or 4th gen with b16 swap.I only spent 1800 complete cause me and my guys installed it. The only expensive part on the b-series is the swap itself. Its worth it though cause you car is already 14 secs. D16z6 still be in the 15s. Spend 700-1000 on basic bolt ons will probaby get you into lower 15s. Still not enough.

if i drive like my mom maybe low 15's.....its very possible to be in the 14's with I/H/E

to show you what a d-series is capable of thanx to mistabone from the d-series forum, geuss what he running? *mods*

ok, well when you can post those times urself...you let us know... i posted this thread so people can just see what i was doing and offer any advice and suggestions, not what your capable of with a d-series...

you can make your own thread for that, not steal mine ..

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

thanks
julian

AWW im sorry i hurt your feelings :rolleyes: i know your not crying but im sure you bankroll is :finger:

ok yeah... :confused: so, anyone with anything CONSTRUCTIVE to add to this thread please feel free to do so

thanks,
julian

Good job pickin' the b16, what are your plans for building it up?

Originally posted by Marc-OS
Good job pickin' the b16, what are your plans for building it up?

Thanks man. My immediate plans include putting in the integra type r cams with skunk2 cam gears and type r intake manifold as soon as I get the motor...Just cleaning her up and making sure everything is good... After that, I dont know...have been planning on going turbo but that might be down the road...

Ive been thinkin about what type of clutch to use? If anyone has any opinions as to which clutch to use, id apreciate it
thanks...
julian

Originally posted by jNYCe5

Ive been thinkin about what type of clutch to use? If anyone has any opinions as to which clutch to use, id apreciate it
thanks...
julian

I personally wouldn't go with anything too hardcore. I personally think the best setup for any B series thats lightly modded is the Type-R clutch and flywheel. Right now I'm running GSR clutch and flywheel in mine, and it works quite nicley too.
If you go to a heavy duty clutch when your engine isn't modded enough to need one you're just creating problems for yourself. Its going to be more of a pain in the ass to drive normally, and if something is going to break it will most likley be driveshafts, etc.. I'd personally have a slightly softer clutch slip a little then to start breaking things. :)

civicHBsi91 - I could spend all day posting timeslips from other people with B16s that run 12s and better.. What the fuck is the point?

i was just trying to get across the point that he did it spending less than 1,000 probably, but whatever just trying to have a friendly debate forget it

Originally posted by SiZ


Type-R clutch and flywheel. Right now I'm running GSR clutch and flywheel i

How can u use the clutch from type r and gsr? They're for hydro trans?:confused: I know the flywheel works.

Originally posted by jNYCe5
ok yeah... :confused: so, anyone with anything CONSTRUCTIVE to add to this thread please feel free to do so

thanks,
julian

Aren't you happy you can get cam gears and adjust both the intake AND exhaust independently? I don't know many D series that can do that (besides the ZC). :hehehe:

Originally posted by mellowboy
How can u use the clutch from type r and gsr? They're for hydro trans?:confused: I know the flywheel works.

Cable GSR.

Aren't you happy you can get cam gears and adjust both the intake AND exhaust independently? I don't know many D series that can do that (besides the ZC). WOW dude your just sooo smart :rolleyes:

what are you gonna do to the bottom end? any plans?

Julian, did my recommendation for Hmotors sway you? If so, I think Steve owes me a commission. :rolleyes:

My B16 will be here on Monday. I just need to find the time to start f'ing with this project (Doh!).

Since you already did this swap on an EF, do you have any helpful tips/insights?

As far as clutches go, OEM Honda/Acura (90-91 'Teg) would probably be your best bet; it's hi-quality, somewhat affordable, reliable, very streetable (streetable = important for a DD). Until you go turbo... then hi-performance will be necessary (internal engine strengthening would be wise, too).

If you remember my earlier post, try to purchase the rest of your parts from a discounter (www.hondaautomotiveparts.com or www.acuraautomotiveparts.org). Saving 20-30% (+ no taxes) on a $1K parts bill is a very good thing. It's also cool to support companies that support us. The downside is that you'll need to wait 2 or 5 days for parts to arrive. The upside: no more time/cash/self-respect wasted at the local dealership.

Other stuff: you probably won't need to clean up the engine that much: They steam clean the sh!t out of JDM engines. It should look 'brand new'. If there is any oil leakage around the seals/gaskets you'll want to replace them, etc. Also, closely inspect the oil pan for damage. Alot of these motors come out of wrecks...

Good luck taking pictures/notes while you are doing the swap: the 4G community REALLY needs a definitive, highly annotated, illustrated swap/conversion guide! I'm sure folks doing the D16Z6 swap could use a bit of it for reference, too.

Watch this forum for my comments/stupid questions on the B16 swap in the coming weeks.

Hopefully, I haven't told you too much you already know... Anyhow, Good Luck!

I'm sure folks doing the D16Z6 swap could use a bit of it for reference i dunno the z6 swap is miiighty simple

Originally posted by civicHBsi91
WOW dude your just sooo smart :rolleyes:

I try. Just stating the obvious. You can't do that with a SOHC, so that is one benefit over the D series.

ooooooooh! whats the other cam do? how many pistons does the b16 have? 5 right? :rolleyes:

Originally posted by civicHBsi91
ooooooooh! whats the other cam do? how many pistons does the b16 have? 5 right? :rolleyes:

The other cam is just for show. It does nothing. And the B16A has 4 1/2 pistons to be exact:bloated:

dude im not a noob you dont need to explain what the benefits are i know them its just purely opinion

man congrats on your b16 purchase, i hope the swap goes good, i wanna see some timeslips

if you can find a good deal on a ls or somethign then its better to swap, like you say oh the z6 for $650 or whatever, well i am getting a ls complete swap for $1000, would have been only $800 but the previous owner of the car rewelded the chassis mounts so i had to go buy mounts.

i am happy cause i finally got my motor mounts, so i am gonna start my swap this weekend, but no one seems to care anyways, but yeah.

good luck with your swap

Originally posted by civickiller


i am happy cause i finally got my motor mounts, so i am gonna start my swap this weekend, but no one seems to care anyways, but yeah.



Damn you! I CARE! Keep us updated on your swap!:)

Originally posted by civicHBsi91
dude im not a noob you dont need to explain what the benefits are i know them its just purely opinion

What does being a nOOb have to do with anything in reality? You can always tell when someone still just doesn't understand that it doesn't matter by the way they post. Oh, Happy Belated 17th birthday. Do you automatically think that just because someone has noob under there name they are new and ignorant? There are benefits to that extra cam, and if you tuned both engines in the exact same manner, the B-series will always out perform the D-series. And do you know why? Because of that extra cam you were giving me shit for. That second cam is more valuable than you think.

Consider this: You want to turbocharge your engine, and run large amounts of boost. Well, with any D-series (excluding the DOHC ZC) you only have one came to work with. With the B-series you have two. I question your knowledge of turbo applications, so I will make this simple. In a turbo charged vehicle, there must be a certain degree of valve overlap for maximum efficiency. If you upgrade your turbo set-up, and you dyno and tune it, you can adjust the valve overlap to get the best curve.

Also, if you compare any of Honda's engines, you will see a trend. SOHC VTEC perform on the same level as a DOHC non-VTEC. With that in mind, if you level the playing fields and have two VTEC motors, the DOHC will blow the other motor away. Why do you think Honda Corp chose to put a DOHC engine in the sportier Integra, and not the Civic? Because it is a more powerful engine. Civics were introduced to be ULEV, and get 33 mpg. It is much harder to extract horsepower from a SOHC engine than a DOHC. If you make the claim that you are doing it because you like the challenge, go ahead and challenge yourself. For an equal amount of money, you could make a B-series faster in the end anyway. The least powerful B-series is a match to the best that D has to offer.

You tell me how a D-series is better than a B-series, when they are modded equally. Good luck with that.



And to think I'm a NooB!!! :eek:

Originally posted by civickiller
i am happy cause i finally got my motor mounts, so i am gonna start my swap this weekend, but no one seems to care anyways, but yeah.

Good luck with yours too, but what are you swapping?

And to think I'm a NooB!!! who said you were a noob? i surely didnt, i stated that i wasent a noob and you didnt need to explain what the other cam does, and if your trying to say something about me only being 17.....well we all have to start somewhere

gl with the b16, write a great walkthru so i dont have to pay labor fees to have it installed.... Will end up doing that so yea dont waste your time (unless you really want to do it for the community)

gl on the b16 dude

Originally posted by civicHBsi91
who said you were a noob? i surely didnt, i stated that i wasent a noob and you didnt need to explain what the other cam does, and if your trying to say something about me only being 17.....well we all have to start somewhere

Well, I said I was a Noob, afterall, that is what it says under my name. If you understand the purpose of the second cam shaft, then why don't you realize that it is more potent than the D-series you are vehemently defending. It is really no contest. DOHC engines out perform SOHC engines. It is that simple.

And I was just wishing you a belated birthday.

And one quick thing, 5 cylinder engines are also very potent engines.

to siZ: thanks for the suggestions on the clutch, never thought about that...

to civicHBsi: as for the bottom end, right now, i plan on just leaving it stock...

to sciamop: i was planning to go with hmotors for the longest... just couldnt make my mind up so i procrastinated for a while....
as for helpful hints, take your time... make sure you have the basics like oil/ coolant, if you went with hasport mounts, make sure you have the acura rear motor mount bracket or else the mounts wont line up right...get the right radiator hoses, might need a new throttle cable from a 90-91 integra.. and get a good pinout for the ecu...im sure somewhere on here should be some.. i already have most of the oem parts i will prob need but i'll be sure to look into those sites if i need anything... and thanks, i dont pretend to know everything so any advice or suggestions is appreciated... i will be sure to post up some helpful pics and hints when i get going on mine...

to civickiller: good luck with your ls swap...if you need any parts, i have an ls head as my brother went ls/vtec so if you need anything let me know...keep us updated and let us know how it goes...

civic1784: good info :)

i'll be sure to get some slips when i get to the track

thanks and keep you guys posted...
julian

Im not a mechanic and i installed my B16 myself. I got all the info off the intenet on how to do it. Its just common sense.

Originally posted by jNYCe5
civic1784: good info :)

Thank you. Just trying to shed some light on the topic for the non-believers:p