91 Accord Swap

Which swap would you prefer in a 91 accord and why. All factors including performance, price, and uniqueness sould be considered. Thanx.

H22, and F20 are the common swaps for a 4G Accord, so no uniqueness there. The B20 is a waste in that car, but a CRVTEC 4G Accord would be pretty unique. Performance says H22, of course, price is the F20.

i thaught f20's were hard to find and expensive, since they only came in the accord si which was made in limited numbers?

the f20 was only found in euro and japanese accord type r's or si's. i dont know the code difference but the type r has over 200 hp im pretty sure. and yes they would be expensive and hard to find but very unique if you get the type r motor.

the type r was only in europe and used an h22a.

which would be cheaper, h22 or b20 swap (including parts and labor)?

F20A is 4G JDM Accord Si motor
F20B is 6G JDM Accord Euro R motor

F20A is DOHC 150HP
F20B is DOHC VTEC 180HP

yes, 180 HP.
And they dont dont use a last number on JDM motors, meaning the motor called "F20B" has SOHC, and DOHC VTEC variations using just "F20B', not F20B1 or F20B2, as would be in the U.S.

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I like knowing lesser known facts, such as the B18A first coming in the 86-89 Accord GXL-S, not the 90-93 Integ.

how much would an f20b swap cost including parts and labor? Im assuming i would use the existing tranny and ecu? How much would a h22 (prelude vtec motor) and b20 (crvtec) cost including parts and labor? How much hp does a crvtec produce?

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h22 and crvtec are totally different. you could do the crvtec many different ways and price would range anywhere from 2 grand to 8 grand installed. the h22 is pretty basic and could be had for about 3 grand. and the crvtec produces many different hp levels based on your money and mods in it. you really need to be more specific. i could write three pages on this but noone is goin to do that. ask specific questions

ok heres the situation... i have a 91 accord automatic with about 238k miles. By the end of the summer i will have about 5k to spend on the car. I will be spending $800 on some 17" konig type r rims from a friend so that leaves $4200. So I want to know what possible engine swaps i could get for that money keeping in mind i would like to convert the car to manual (i think the auto to manual conversion will cost about $600). So the engine swap and the rims will be it for now, but i will spend more money later on to improve horse power, handeling, appearance, and interior. Keep in mind that I would my car to be unique. Well tell me what u think. Thanx.

if i had 4200 to spend on an engine i would go crvtec. but you must realize something. because it is a hybrid you will have problems. it can be very reliable if done right and well maintained but then again who knows right? so with 4200 you could definitely get a crvtec and i would suggest a b16 tranny with it. basically 4200 wont get you the FULL BLOWN crazy crvtec pumping 250hp to the wheels but its a great start. you could get a very good condition block, ITR pistons or even JE pistons with higher compression, a b16a head rebuilt with milder cams like type r cams, b16a tranny with lsd(highly recommended!), fluidyne radiator, proper ecu and all the other odds and ends. but as i said this is not a full blown setup its probably good for about 200hp but torque should be over 140 at least. then later on you can add the small stuff like the skunk2 intake manifold, new intake, injectors, bigger fuel pump, vtec controller, crazy head work and so on.

but then again if your after reliability and something cheaper the h22 is your choice. its still pretty powerful, reliable, and cheaper. yet i havent heard of one naturally aspirated putting down that much power but who knows, you might be the first. think about it

its up to you man, if you want more info on each let me know

Originally posted by edman24
if i had 4200 to spend on an engine i would go crvtec. but you must realize something. because it is a hybrid you will have problems. it can be very reliable if done right and well maintained but then again who knows right? so with 4200 you could definitely get a crvtec and i would suggest a b16 tranny with it. basically 4200 wont get you the FULL BLOWN crazy crvtec pumping 250hp to the wheels but its a great start. you could get a very good condition block, ITR pistons or even JE pistons with higher compression, a b16a head rebuilt with milder cams like type r cams, b16a tranny with lsd(highly recommended!), fluidyne radiator, proper ecu and all the other odds and ends. but as i said this is not a full blown setup its probably good for about 200hp but torque should be over 140 at least. then later on you can add the small stuff like the skunk2 intake manifold, new intake, injectors, bigger fuel pump, vtec controller, crazy head work and so on.

but then again if your after reliability and something cheaper the h22 is your choice. its still pretty powerful, reliable, and cheaper. yet i havent heard of one naturally aspirated putting down that much power but who knows, you might be the first. think about it

its up to you man, if you want more info on each let me know

Ok u said that for $4200, i could build a 200hp crvtec using the mods listed above... The thing is I cant swap the engine or do any major modifications myself... i would need a shop. So u said all that stuff for $4200, does that include labor charges to a shop?

Also what are the advantages/disadvantages of both engines?

Thanks.

that depends on you. do you know any shops? got any hook ups for parts? i got hook ups for pretty much everything around my area but i think you could still get it done for that price. maybe with not all those parts i listed originally but if you just get the mandatory parts. for example just get the block with the bottome end in it, then change the pistons, and bolt on the head or rebuild it first then bolt it on. thats about as basic as it gets. wont give you 200hp right awaybut will have insane tuning capability.250 at the wheels is not uncommon. but that basic setup i told you about now would run you about 4 grand in parts and labor. the labor will kill you if you cant do at least some of it yourself. and also you should find a shop that has done this before. they know best. even if you have to drive a little further find a shop thats done it, you wont regret it.

well as i said in my last post here are the pros and cons
CRVTEC
PROS:very highly tunable, lots of torque, unique
CONS:more expensive then h22, MAY not be as reliable as other engines

H22
PROS: reliable, cheap
CONS:less hp, less tuning

ok thanks... i am going to try to find a shop to do this. I live in the Atlanta area so im sure there are a few... does anyone know of any in this area?

hi there
this might be some off topic but is there any way too mount a f20 cylinder head(dohc) on mine f22a3(sohc 150hp).
thx

im new to this site as of about 30 min ago... cant find where to psot new threads, but i was wondering if anyone can tell me what other seals ill need for a cylinder head repair... have a window of like 2 days to finish(next weekend) and i dont wanna start and end up missing stuff.havent messed with hondas too much its a 94 accord... i know i need head gasket, vlave cover gasket, intake/exahust manifold gaskets, distributor seal... can yall think of anything else??? im kinda at a brain fart here!!! thx 4 your help!!!

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