France threatens Eastern Europe's EU membership hopes

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Looks like Chirac likes to throw his weight around too.

BRUSSELS, Belgium (AP) -- French President Jacques Chirac launched a
withering attack Monday on eastern European nations who signed letters
backing the U.S. position on Iraq, warning it could jeopardize their chances of joining the European Union.

``It is not really responsible behavior,'' he told a news conference. ``It
is not well brought-up behavior. They missed a good opportunity to keep
quiet.''

Chirac was angered when EU candidates Poland, Hungary and the Czech
Republic joined pro-U.S. EU members such as Britain, Spain and Italy last month in a letter supporting Washington's line on Iraq against the more dovish stance of France and Germany.

Paris was further upset when 10 other eastern European nations signed a
similar letter a few days later.

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He warned the candidates the position could be ``dangerous'' because the parliaments of the 15 EU nations still have to ratify last December's
decision for 10 new members to join the bloc on May 1, 2004.

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``Romania and Bulgaria were particularly irresponsible to (sign the letter) when their position is really delicate,'' Chirac said. ``If they wanted to diminish their chances of joining Europe they could not have found a better way.''













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OK....IS HE TRYING TO BLACKMAIL THEM:confused: WONDER WHAT THEY ARE GAINING BY JOINING THE EU...MUST NOT BE MUCH...

Interesting....yet Taranaki is insisting that the U.S. is bullying other countries into following their will.......:rolleyes:

Originally posted by inferno
Interesting....yet Taranaki is insisting that the U.S. is bullying other countries into following their will.......:rolleyes:

Whats also interesting is how when a topic like this comes up, someone here will say something along the lines of "yeah, but the US did such and such..."













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It's interesting to see the different takes that the US and European media outlets have on these same "facts".

For instance, there is only one European nation backing the US position on Iraq, and that is Britain. Spain and Italy, as well as Russia, and the Czech republic have stated they will go to war if the UN deems it necessary. They are not saying that they will invade Iraq regardless of what the UN says, even if the UN completely opposes the military action, and declares it an illegal act of war against a sovereign nation.

Only the US and Britain are saying that...

Cbass, the same thing is being reported from different Europian sources. Also, although those other nations you mentioned are not saying that they will wage war no matter what the U.N. says, they are in favor but not willing to go against the U.N.'s decision.

Originally posted by inferno
Cbass, the same thing is being reported from different Europian sources. Also, although those other nations you mentioned are not saying that they will wage war no matter what the U.N. says, they are in favor but not willing to go against the U.N.'s decision.

The position of the other nations is that they will invade if it is approved by the UN, and not unless it is approved by the UN.

Nations such as France and Germany do not wish to see the world economy destabilized by the coming war, which is exactly what is going to happen. They are also quite insulted by the US, who are pushing for a war regardless of what anyone says, and regardless of the effect it will have on the rest of the world.

Classic US foreign policy. "We want it, we'll have it, we don't care what you say."

Originally posted by Cbass


The position of the other nations is that they will invade if it is approved by the UN, and not unless it is approved by the UN.

I just said that.

Nations such as France and Germany do not wish to see the world economy destabilized by the coming war, which is exactly what is going to happen. They are also quite insulted by the US, who are pushing for a war regardless of what anyone says, and regardless of the effect it will have on the rest of the world.

Do you not think that the U.S. economy will be adversely affected by the war? Obviously, Bush feels(not saying that he is right) that the benefits outweigh the cost.

Classic US foreign policy. "We want it, we'll have it, we don't care what you say."

The U.S. is not taking anything. I keep hearing the arguement that the U.S. is only in this for the oil and to get lower oil costs. The U.S. wouldn't be the only one to benefit from that. I'll leave it at that so I can respond to what I expect you or Taranaki to say in response to that. ;)

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I just said that.


Then we are in agreement :)
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Nations such as France and Germany do not wish to see the world economy destabilized by the coming war, which is exactly what is going to happen. They are also quite insulted by the US, who are pushing for a war regardless of what anyone says, and regardless of the effect it will have on the rest of the world.
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Do you not think that the U.S. economy will be adversely affected by the war? Obviously, Bush feels(not saying that he is right) that the benefits outweigh the cost.


Well, the benefits outweight the costs for the oil and arms industries... the Bush industries.

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The U.S. is not taking anything. I keep hearing the arguement that the U.S. is only in this for the oil and to get lower oil costs. The U.S. wouldn't be the only one to benefit from that. I'll leave it at that so I can respond to what I expect you or Taranaki to say in response to that.

The US is taking Iraq in entirety! You are correct that the US is not the sole nation that will benefit from this, I'm sure Britain and Canada will as well.

Of course, everyone else will experience a horrible jolt in the world economy, which may result in a worldwide depression. Who cares about that though? He's an Evil Man!

Originally posted by Cbass
The US is taking Iraq in entirety! You are correct that the US is not the sole nation that will benefit from this, I'm sure Britain and Canada will as well.

Of course, everyone else will experience a horrible jolt in the world economy, which may result in a worldwide depression. Who cares about that though? He's an Evil Man!

Well, for one, what makes you think the U.S. is going to "take" Iraq in entirety? Also, the countries that stand to have more of an adverse effect from the war will be the combatants. There will be some slight ripples that will be felt by other nations temporarily, but I don't foresee it being as catastrophic as you are trying to make it out to be.

Originally posted by inferno


Well, for one, what makes you think the U.S. is going to "take" Iraq in entirety? Also, the countries that stand to have more of an adverse effect from the war will be the combatants. There will be some slight ripples that will be felt by other nations temporarily, but I don't foresee it being as catastrophic as you are trying to make it out to be.

Now you may dispute this, so let's say just for the sake of argument, this war is about the US securing a large quantity of oil. The US wants a "regime change" which is CIA speak for toppling a government and installing a puppet government, whether democratic or otherwise. I consider that to be taking Iraq in entirety, don't you?

Now this new regime is not going to be export oil to the US at $25 a barrel, and we can be certain of that. The oil will be exported at cost, which will work out to around $3 a barrel, when all is said and done.

When the worlds largest consumer of oil suddenly stops buying it from their other sources at $25 a barrel, and is acquiring it for $3 a barrel, the world oil market is going to collapse. They can either sell at rates low enough to compete, which would mean selling at cost, or they can lose their biggest market, which accounts for almost 50% of their total sales.

Now it's not exactly known what is going to happen, but it can pretty much be agreed that it won't be good for the rest of the world. The world runs on oil, and the US is about to seize enough of it to play a major part in deciding what happens with the international oil market.