Cayenne

I know looks are all relevant, but who all likes the looks of the Cayenne? Also, what do you think about Porsche, a traditional sport car maker, making a SUV?

I THINK THEY'RE JUST JOINING THE BAND WAGON

WORDS YOU'LL NEVER HEAR.....
HONEY LETS LOAD THESE 2x4'S AND PLANTS IN THE BACK OF THE CAYENNE....:argue:

It look ok but when somebody says Porsche to me,I think to my self exotic sports car,not SUV.In my opinion,Porsche have made the Cayenne.There known for those sweet sporty cars in which I love soo much.

In my opinion,Porsche have made the Cayenne

Excuse me.I meant Porsche shouldnt have made the Cayenne.

Originally posted by Tackle Trap


...Porsche shouldnt have made the Cayenne.

How come? Sure, Porsche is a traditional car company that produces great sports cars, but why not produce something new. They dont need to keep trying to impress people with their sports cars, it's already done. I know a lot of people who have said that this new Porsche SUV sucks balls, but if you ask me it really isn't too bad of an idea, Porsche has tons of great sports cars with great speed in all of them (though some might lack looks), so, being the people we are, we would expect Porsche to come out with another fast sports car, well they did what the people didn;t expect, they put out an SUV. good for them, change is good in my opinion. I don't, however, like the fact of their pricing, if they want to sell a Cayanne turbo(which I would think would be more popular for those who like SUV's but still want a sporty zip to their car) I would think it better to sell it lower than 90k dollars, I mean damn I could buy two luxury cars for that much, two good ones! but oh well, im not the CEO of Porsche so my opinion isn't worth too much. The Cayanne is a good move by Porsche and shouldn't be looked down on.

just my $0.02

Well,its like with Ozzy Osbourne.Before he made that dumb show,he was like Mr.Darkness.Nobody new who he really was.Thats the way he always was before he got that dumb show going.With Porsche,they were known for their fast nice exotics.Now that they made a SUV,its all changed.There not who they always were before.Before they were like no other car.They have great speed and looks that a lot of others don't.

Originally posted by BLU CIVIC
I THINK THEY'RE JUST JOINING THE BAND WAGON


They have come out and said that. They said that there is a lot of money to be had in the market and they want in on it just like anybody else. They are a company there to make money. They were smart to do so. I wouldn't buy one though, the Jeep is superior and will take it off road any day of the week, and one they drop the Hemi in it, the power difference will be minimal.

I wouldn't buy one though, the Jeep is superior and will take it off road any day of the week, and one they drop the Hemi in it, the power difference will be minimal.

Cough cough yea right cough cough.:rolleyes:

I love this SUV. I sat in one at the Philly Auto Show, and it was amazing. So luxurious inside, and sporty outside. I was surprised by the Cayenne's offroad capabilities also, the exceeded my expectations by far. Do I like it? Yes. Would I buy it? No. It is a Porsche, therefore it is very expensive. If I had the money, of course this would be one of my top SUV choices. But for now, many others beat the Cayenne out on my SUV list.

Am I the only one who doesn't like the looks of the Cayenne? :confused:

Originally posted by inferno
Am I the only one who doesn't like the looks of the Cayenne? :confused:

What is there not to like?

Originally posted by SuPeRcAr_MaN


What is there not to like?

My sentiments are basically the same. This is not an ugly vehicle by any means. It has smooth lines and a sleek look. Fine by my book.

I was lucky enough to sit in one at the Canadian International Auto Show, they are such beautiful SUV's, they are so very comfortable and just as nice as a normal porsche. Also that Turbo option really makes my mouth water, close to 450hp being made, not bad for a small SUV by anymeans. I wouldn't buy one though because the insurance would kill me and I don't have any money, but if I were in the market for a luxury SUV, this would be the first I test drove.

Well I guess beauty is all in the eye of the beholder. I love the interior of the car, but the outside to me is hideous. It looks like a bloated and stretched 911. I also don't care for the front bumper of the GT2, but I am sure there are others out there who like it.

I think that Porsche making this is a smart move. As one of the only independent automakers out there, they need the cashflow.

Most of these will be sold to middle eastern buyers, where going fast in the desert is important (the largest Porsche dealerships are in the middle east now. No longer is it Champion Porsche).

Many people think that the Ceyanne is supposed to be a replacement for the Porsche GTs, but it's not. Many current Porsche buyers also buy an SUV for daily driving, or as the driveway companion. Why should that money go to a company that isn't Porsche? This way, the Porsche 911 in the driveway can be joined by a Porsche SUV.

And in typical Porsche fashion, it's one of the most capable performance vehicles on the planet, with real off-road ability, and serious speed and handling.

Porsche is an engineering company above all, lending engineering expertise to a wide range of projects, not just sports car development. This is a prime example of that engineering ability.

Originally posted by inferno
Well I guess beauty is all in the eye of the beholder. I love the interior of the car, but the outside to me is hideous. It looks like a bloated and stretched 911. I also don't care for the front bumper of the GT2, but I am sure there are others out there who like it.

I see what your saying. Porsche may have carried over a lottle too much styling from their cars to the Cayenne. If you look at the Cayenne next to a 911, it does looked like someone used photoshop to stretch and chop a 911 into the Cayenne. However, I am not changing my mind at all. I still love this SUV and it is and will be one of my favorites... Till Lamborghini's comes out. ;)

Originally posted by Tackle Trap


Cough cough yea right cough cough.:rolleyes:

I would just love to hear you prove me wrong.

:rolleyes:

It's a very nice car, but is it actually a Porsche ?.....

Basically this is the best SUV produced yet- Notably the Turbo- Big, roomy, comfy (I have sat in one) 0-100km/h in 5.5 seconds nd mammoth off-road ability, plus all the creature comforts and luxury onw would expect- the Cayenne also beats the X5 onroad I hear :D



perfection indeed


as soon as I can afford onwe I'm jumpin on the bandwagon :D

Good car but the Turbo is only available with an automatic gear box.... :(

I saw my first Cayenne today, (an S) it looked big, imposing, and not as ugly as i thought it would. It does however need a facelift, with the front lights changed to a rounder shape, the top air "inlet" taken out of the front airdam, and definitely bigger alloys! It didnt look bad though, far from it, and i think it'll grow on me very quickly.
Its a brave move by Porsche and the car (SUV) is supposed to be extremely good, so im glad theyve done it, and done well. Small companies like Porsche need $ to stay independent and if making SUV's is the way to do it, then so be it. It betrays Porsche's heritage in that it isnt a sports car, but it adheres to Porsche's goal of making technically excellent cars.

The Cayenne gets a big thumbs up from me

I saw several Touareg but only two or three Cayenne...

Jim : i like your new signature :D

The Cayenne is probably the worst thing EVER for Porsche. They're putting there reputation jeopardy aren't they..........

Originally posted by agh1
The Cayenne is probably the worst thing EVER for Porsche. They're putting there reputation jeopardy aren't they..........


to the first part: No it's not, are you high? This is a great thing, Id buy one if I had the money.

Second part: Is that a question or a statement? you trailed off.... and why would this ruin the reputation of one of the best exotic manufacturars? That was kind of an ignorant statement....

I didn't like the Cayenne until I saw it in person. Now I like it. But it could look better. What I mean by better is a lower stance and 19" wheels. Okay thats not a lot, but it would be really cool and cool handle really good.

19' wheels for 4x4... that's only for the downtowns ;)

Looks? If it is indeed going to be a "utility" vehicle, then I'm going to wait until I hear how it performs, as so far I've not heard anything about it's capabilites off road. Not that many are going to end up off road, because they are SUVs, and face it, few of these vehicles ever get the chance to fufill their design intent.

>2strokebloke : you have a Yugo ?..... !!!

Why wouldn't I? When I get a chance at a scanner I'll post a picture of it in the Yugo forums. But let's not go off on a Tangent right now.

I have to agree with the Cayenne needing bigger alloys. Im sure they'll be made available, whether they're factory or not is the question. Nm, Gemballa, RUF, Techart, there'll be no shortage of choice

Originally posted by Polygon


They have come out and said that. They said that there is a lot of money to be had in the market and they want in on it just like anybody else. They are a company there to make money. They were smart to do so. I wouldn't buy one though, the Jeep is superior and will take it off road any day of the week, and one they drop the Hemi in it, the power difference will be minimal.
The Jeep may be a better vehicle for off roading on tight trails(Hummer is better of course), but superior in any other way, no way. The jeep is a POS that I'm surprised is still popular, though I havent seen many on the road lately. If they drop a Hemi in the Jeep it will will have 105 hp less than the Cayenne. One last note, whom ever buys a Cayenne won't take it off roading anyway, I wouldnt want to b/c it looks just too good to get it dirty.

"One last note, whom ever buys a Cayenne won't take it off roading anyway, I wouldnt want to b/c it looks just too good to get it dirty."

Once you put it that way... the Cayenne is the biggest piece of crap ever produced by Porsche!!! Exactly what we need on our roads, another big stupid vehicle, used as a status symbol only and that has no redeeming qualities! Give one to me, I'll tear out all the interior and make it into a halfway decent utility vehicle!

First of all, let's not forget that Porsche have built tractors and 4x4's in the past. Did the LM002 damage Lambo's image?

Second, this is by far the best vehicle of it's type availabe today. The engineers used the stabitliy control system to de-stabilise (up to a point) the car to make it "drive like a Porsche". Sounds like fun :)

Personally, I would take the shared platform Audi Pikes Peak in terms of looks though.

Originally posted by oldtamiyaphile
First of all, let's not forget that Porsche have built tractors and 4x4's in the past. Did the LM002 damage Lambo's image?

Second, this is by far the best vehicle of it's type availabe today. The engineers used the stabitliy control system to de-stabilise (up to a point) the car to make it "drive like a Porsche". Sounds like fun :)

Personally, I would take the shared platform Audi Pikes Peak in terms of looks though.
Great points! And of course German manufacturers and their engineers are the best in the world.

"Great points! And of course German manufacturers and their engineers are the best in the world."

My grandfather was an engineer for NSU, and frankly I don't see your point! NSU practically went bankrupt because of an engine that wasn't, we'll say "baked" all the way through. Lets not mention just how bad some of BMW's products at about this same point in time where.
I finnally saw one of these porsches, and I already know that nobody is going to use it as a utility vehicle, therefore it is practically useless.

I agree with 2strokebloke on this one. All it is, is a status symbol for the rich. Just something to fill the niche of REALLY expensive SUV that the likes of an X5 and a ML cannot fill. No one is really ever gonna take this off road, maybe down some dirt trail, but nothing muddy. (There may be some exceptions with the INSANELY rich) I guess because I don't have tons of money, I don't really see the utility value of it. Having a truck that handles like a Porsche? Why not just have a Porsche. Maybe its because the rich feel the need to have a higher perch to look down from? who knows, it just seems really silly. It looks ugly too. The wheels are too high, and I don't think the bumper and sideskirts come down enough. I'm not against people having tons of money, but I am against greed and people who are too much affected by what other people think. No one is gonna buy that Cayenne and say "boy, I love that car for its off-road ability, and I can't wait to start hauling lumber around in it." It lacks purpose. Sure its a brave move by Porsche, and I admire them for having the guts to make that move to making an SUV, but wouldn't it be more admirable if they had the guts to not conform?

Originally posted by 2strokebloke
I finnally saw one of these porsches, and I already know that nobody is going to use it as a utility vehicle, therefore it is practically useless.

Most people dont use 911's or Ferrari's as theyre intended, does that make them useless too? The fact that this thing can lap a race track at the same pace as a BMW M3 and tackle a muddy terrain as well/better than a Range Rover should command respect.

So what if it probably wont be taken off road?
Are more than 1% of X5's taken off-road? No
Are more than 1% of ML's taken off-road? No
Are more than 1% of Range Rovers taken off-road? I doubt it
source: czj research

The fact is people like an elevated driving position, and you no longer have to put up with shameful, and even dangerous dynamics to achieve it. The Cayenne is great on-road, great off-road, and luxurious inside. Sure it's a status symbol but thats just something all people are guilty of.
Anyway, should Range Rovers only be driven off-road cos thats what they're made for? Who cares, theres obviously a demand for these cars. If they dont sell, then you can call them useless.

Originally posted by TheExperience
Sure its a brave move by Porsche, and I admire them for having the guts to make that move to making an SUV, but wouldn't it be more admirable if they had the guts to not conform?
Porsche not having the guts to conform? Do you know where the engine is in a 911? Hint: its not in the front, or in the middle. Besides, it does show guts because Porsche havent stuck to what theyve been doing for half a century. They havent conformed with their history. Thats major cojones if you ask me

I don't see where the engine setup makes them have guts or not? Did anyone ever say that that setup was not conducive to a sports car. its just something they innovated. The idea that they conformed to making an SUV, just like 80% of other automakers because they make money from it, seems like the easy route to me. What would happen if they had never made it? I think a lot of people would be giving props to porsche for not being swayed by the popular majority, like the setup of the 911 engine, which is not exactly the most popular engine setup.

The Cayenne will not be taken off road by many- but if you are like me and feel the need to- thne at least you have the comfort of knowing that it can go offroad and do it better than most.


The 911 Carrera 4 is even a pretty capable car in the Desert :D and light offroad tracks- the gorund clearance ingibits it though.

Originally posted by TheExperience
I don't see where the engine setup makes them have guts or not?

No one else did it - still no one else does - everyone said it was grossly flawed, which was partly true, yet Porsche had the guts to stick with it for decades and make it work. How can you not see the cojones in that?

exactly, the idea was non-conforming, the exact opposite of the idea of a Porsche SUV.

I dont know - it was conforming in that most manufacturers are now making SUV's, but very un-comforming in that no supercar maker had ever gone into something as risky as SUV's. We'll have to disagree on this one :D

How do we know that the porsche is any good off-road if nobody will take it there? we don't, and I don't care because in the end, it's still ugly and useless.

Also, no other "supercar" manufacturer has made an SUV?, then I must have just imagined the Lamborghini LM002.

Originally posted by 2strokebloke
How do we know that the porsche is any good off-road if nobody will take it there? we don't, and I don't care because in the end, it's still ugly and useless.

Also, no other "supercar" manufacturer has made an SUV?, then I must have just imagined the Lamborghini LM002.

We know it is good off-raod because of all the magazines and shows that have tested it... And it is by no means ugly and useless. I can't believe all this that is coming from a person who likes Yugos and all those POSs...

POS? which of my favorite cars fits that description?
At least Yugos have been used for what they where designed to do.
Anyway, an LJ20 could probably do just as good a job off road, if not better than this "porsche"

At the moment, SUVs are cool. Porsches are sub zero. Therefore the Cayenne is the coolest SUV around. Let me explain with this techincal drawing, bound to offend ...

http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/166305Untitled-1copy.jpg

And I like it.

Lada ? cool cars, I will buy one. The 110 !!

I WOULD RATHER RIDE A PLASTIC BIG WHEEL THEN BE SEEN IN THAT F@#!@# THING IT IS UGLY AS SHIT AND YES A JEEP CHEROKEE WOULD SMOKE THIS THING OFF ROAD, HELL I HAD A 1986 AMC 4WHEEL DRIVE WAGON THAT WAS BETTER THEN THAT THING OFF ROAD, IM SURE IT IS BUILT WELL ITS A PORSCHE BUT THEY SHOULD STICK TO CARS

Originally posted by dodgeMANinjapan
I WOULD RATHER RIDE A PLASTIC BIG WHEEL THEN BE SEEN IN THAT F@#!@# THING IT IS UGLY AS SHIT AND YES A JEEP CHEROKEE WOULD SMOKE THIS THING OFF ROAD, HELL I HAD A 1986 AMC 4WHEEL DRIVE WAGON THAT WAS BETTER THEN THAT THING OFF ROAD, IM SURE IT IS BUILT WELL ITS A PORSCHE BUT THEY SHOULD STICK TO CARS


The Cayenne is just as capable as a Cherokke off road- even a 911 Carrera 4 is more capable than most "SUV's" off road

Originally posted by Jimster



The Cayenne is just as capable as a Cherokke off road- even a 911 Carrera 4 is more capable than most "SUV's" off road


it might be more high tech than the cherokee....but i'll bet you it is not buld around a truck frame so standard offroading....it will handle........rock crawling will damage the frame however.....

also i'm not sure if there is a 4wd system out there yet to beat the quadra drive for offroading found in the jeeps.....i mean sending almost up to 100% torque to one of the wheels that has traction denotes one heck of a diferential

No Indepentant suspention equiped vehicle is as capable offroad than an live axle truck. Horsepower is not a factor in off roading. A Suzuki Samuri would go where this porsche wouldn't dream. The idea of most new SUV makes my stomach hurt. They were built for the road, not for the trails, even Land Rover is going that way. :crying:

The Touareg is excellent for a big SUV off road. The Cayenne must be as good or not far I think.

Originally posted by TexasF355F1

The Jeep may be a better vehicle for off roading on tight trails(Hummer is better of course), but superior in any other way, no way. The jeep is a POS that I'm surprised is still popular, though I havent seen many on the road lately. If they drop a Hemi in the Jeep it will will have 105 hp less than the Cayenne. One last note, whom ever buys a Cayenne won't take it off roading anyway, I wouldnt want to b/c it looks just too good to get it dirty.

Jeeps are the ultimate off roaders. The aftermarket for parts is simply too big for anyone else to compete with. The Wrangler/Rubicon can go places that the Hummer and the Cayenne can never go simply because of their smaller size. As Neutrino said the frame on the Jeep is much more resilient for true off roading than the Cayenne. So you won't ever take the Cayenne off road? Than why even make one? There is no point to it besides wasting gas and money. I would rather have a true Porsche for the money. As for your comment about the Hemi, yes it will have 150 less HP than the Cayenne, but mind you the Cayenne is twin turbo charged and costs around $100,000. Also the Jeeps aren't crappy, you obviously have never owned one. In my opinion it is the best functional SUV on the market. As for the non-functional SUVs, you can drive them all off a cliff. Those people should be driving mini-vans.

I agree, I bet that there are places the old LJ20 Suzuki brute could go that the Porsche behemoth-monster couldn't. (and with less cylinders and money to boot!)

Originally posted by 2strokebloke
How do we know that the porsche is any good off-road if nobody will take it there? we don't, and I don't care because in the end, it's still ugly and useless.



So are you. How's that for stating an opinion?

The Porsche has already been TAKEN off road, at MOAB and at the Rubicon. Unlike Jeep-zealot's old fashioned idea that unitbody vehicles CAN"T be used offroad, modern engineering has made extremely strong and rigid structures from them. The Porsche is no exception.

It is highly capable off road, and that's already been proven. It also has a 7000 lb towing capacity, so you could tow your Porsche race car to the track with it with ease. And, at Watkin's Glen, teh pace Cayanne was lapping the track at speeds that street Porsches have had a hard time doing, proving it'self to be a very capable handler.

So Porsche, true to it's engineering heritage, builds a single vehicle that is better at those three different areas than most cars that are only good at one area, and you retards think it's a bad thing. Sorry, but the vehicle is the ULTIMATE one-vehicle-for-everything.

Hey, lets have a contest to see who can close their litle brain up the tightest! You all are acting like you believe that if you don't USE your brain cells, they last longer...

Originally posted by Chris V



Hey, lets have a contest to see who can close their litle brain up the tightest! You all are acting like you believe that if you don't USE your brain cells, they last longer...

Actually, I'm of the opinion that if something is not used - it is useless. Is that not a logical idea?

Most likely, 99.9% of these vehicles will never go off road, and probably a very similar number won't even see a dirt road or be hitched to a trailer. the majority of them will be wasting valuable city parking space outside of yuppie coffee houses (come to think of it, that space isn't so valuable, let the yuppies keep it)
Can I say status symbol? Porsche has finnally made a vehicle perfect not just for a man in his midlife crisis, but also for any man who needs over compensation - or any disgruntled soccer mom with penis envy. If you're a trendy, rich, insecure person - this may very well be the perfect vehicle for you! :smile:

Caution: contains 50% sarcasm.

You nihilist :D :D

Originally posted by Stefanel1
You nihilist :D :D

Ah, lets us all bask in my glorious nihility:biggrin:
(for those of you who don't know - that means nothingness)

Originally posted by Chris V


So are you. How's that for stating an opinion?

The Porsche has already been TAKEN off road, at MOAB and at the Rubicon. Unlike Jeep-zealot's old fashioned idea that unitbody vehicles CAN"T be used offroad, modern engineering has made extremely strong and rigid structures from them. The Porsche is no exception.

It is highly capable off road, and that's already been proven. It also has a 7000 lb towing capacity, so you could tow your Porsche race car to the track with it with ease. And, at Watkin's Glen, teh pace Cayanne was lapping the track at speeds that street Porsches have had a hard time doing, proving it'self to be a very capable handler.

So Porsche, true to it's engineering heritage, builds a single vehicle that is better at those three different areas than most cars that are only good at one area, and you retards think it's a bad thing. Sorry, but the vehicle is the ULTIMATE one-vehicle-for-everything.




going on a dirt or mud road is not serious offroading......

and if you try with a cayenne any type of serious stuff like rock crawling......you'll rip it apart......

me and polygon we live close to moab and i've been there quite a few times .... the thought of taking a cayenne or x5 or touared or anything in that category trough the serious rocks out there is ridiculous

The Cayenne is ugly and extremely overpriced. Porsche should not have built an suv.