aftermarket support for B16b (U.S.)

ok, first off I am looking at a wrecked 92 lx 4 door with mostly body damage where i would have replsaced anyways, CF hood, Z3 fenders, custom bumpers, but the doors are fin and the suspension components arew fine too(I think) my neighbor workjed in a body shop for YEARS and he is going with me this weekend to look more closely. If i get it, I wanna get the B16b. I found the competeswap for 3900 bucks.

but when I go to buy intake and pullies and flywhel and such, do i just buy it for a civic si. because isnt the only difference of the B16A and B16B the internals and the head? so headers for a B16A should fit?

and as for a lightweight flywheel, any b series application should work right?

and then on intake. I want to get the AEM CAI V2. both the CTR and SI engines bolt up the same and should put the throttle bodys in the same place right? do they both have the same throttle body? and since it is going to be in a civic lx, will it work?


also could spomeohne tell me a site where i can find the tranny ratios.
my friends B16A1 and (?YS1?), hes at about 4 grand at 70. I would think the tranny in the CTR would be lower than the one in the old civic SI's right? the ITRT is lower than the GSR and both are lower than the LS/GS/RS.

and lastly if I had a 4 door LX, B16b, AEM CAI V2, DC 4-2-1, exhaust, aem power pullies, lightened flywheel, APEXI VPAC, and if I can find a good one for this application, a chip.

and a 92 gsr had a B16A with short ram intake, dc 4-2-1, exhaust, cheap 20 dollar ebay chip, anfd he is going to either SC or TC. but low boost i bet.

and his engine is like 10 years older than mine. could the LX civic win this race or no?

I've got the same questions he has...

A B16b is a CTR motor and you would not want to chip it if you have a CTR Computer in there those computers are pretty pissed from the factory. The other thing is most all B series parts are interchangable. IF you are looking for a header I would recommend getting the JDM ITR header that will give you some good flow and it looks clean and they are very strong. If you do get a CTR motor then keep it all motor and just build it up. The CTR's run a 10.8:1 compression and you might want to keep it there. I think that a 4dr lx w/CTR swap built up N/A could beat the GSR for sure. But why would someone swap a B16 into a GSR? When the GSR motor's have more horse and more torque then the B16? :confused:

oh no I'm putting mine in a EK hatch. So if I order an intake for the '99 SI B16a (Aem, Injen, something like that) it would bolt right in without any problems to the body? The same with the exhaust.

Originally posted by Pnoi Q
oh no I'm putting mine in a EK hatch. So if I order an intake for the '99 SI B16a (Aem, Injen, something like that) it would bolt right in without any problems to the body? The same with the exhaust.

Yes you can get a CAI for a 99 Si and it will fit. The exhaust you will have to get for you EK hatch but it will bolt up to the B series motor. So if you have a 97 DX Hatch you will have to get an Exhaust for a 97 Dx Hatch.

and as for a lightweight flywheel, any b series application should work right?
You don't want to replace the underdrive pulley with a aftermarket one,since most are not made to spec and will throw your bottom end out of harmonic balance.

also could spomeohne tell me a site where i can find the tranny ratios.
B16B
1st: 3.23
2nd: 2.105
3rd: 1.458
4th: 1.107
5th: 0.848
Final Drive: 4.4
GSR
1st: 3.23
2nd: 1.9
3rd: 1.36
4th: 1.034
5th: 0.787
Final Drive: 4.4
B16A1
1st: 3.307
2nd: 2.105
3rd: 1.458
4th: 1.107
5th: 0.88
Final Drive: 4.4

and a 92 gsr had a B16A with short ram intake, dc 4-2-1, exhaust, cheap 20 dollar ebay chip, anfd he is going to either SC or TC. but low boost i bet.
92 GSR had the B17A1

Finally,the B16B is a waste of money.For the extra $1700 you could save by buying a B16A siRII (which dials in at just 15hp less) you can make the B16A blow away the CTR.They really are only good for the "I got a CTR motor" factor.

jcrx-

yes 92 gsr's have a b17a1 but not this specific one I am talking about, my friends has a b16a1 cuz they are a grand for the whole swap, and the old motor was probably worn out or something.

frostbyte-

I know the b16b is the ctr motor, I said it in my first post.

Originally posted by 94tegRS
jcrx-

yes 92 gsr's have a b17a1 but not this specific one I am talking about, my friends has a b16a1 cuz they are a grand for the whole swap, and the old motor was probably worn out or something.

frostbyte-

I know the b16b is the ctr motor, I said it in my first post.

In the first post no where does it say that you know that the b16b motor is a CTR motor. Also the Pullies should be fine I would not about the rumor about the crank vibrating as that only applies to V shaped motor like V6 and V8's. Working with the UR tech's their pullies have been tested many times over in race cars and in car for daily use for years to come. I also have a UR Pulley and I have had it for a year with no problems. Infact when I put the pulley in it made the engine run smooth which I was promised from UR. Their pulley's are perfectly balanced at their factory. Why would they sell you something that would damage your car without giving you a disclaimer.

unless your really looking for the b16b bragging rights, id get a jdm b16a-----there the same thing except for bolt ons and the intake cam------u could just get the b16a and throw some toda spec b's in there and spank ctr motor left and right


as for the header--- i love smsp ---- great gains!!!

Speaking of underdrive pullies, does it make that much of a difference? I don't know I thought about putting one in but I don't know much about them so I was sceptical about it. What's this company UR? Never heard of them, do you have the web site so I can check it out?

UR=Unorthodox Racing and I believe their website is www.unorthodoxracing.com UR or a stock replacement is the only pulley replacement I would even consider.But there really is no reason for them,unless your doing all out drag and have to cut losses anyway you can.

I have a B16a2 I just put in with a cold air and probably next month I'm putting the whole skunk2 top end, cams, gears, springs, valves, intakemanifold. Do you think the pullies will make that much of a difference on my set up? I don't plan on putting really any other mods on it except a skunk2 ecu.

foget about pulleys, if u want real gains, take out your ac and ps , and then just get a lightweight crank pulley

As I said before,don't get just any pulley,they balance your internals and if you get a cheap one,you will screw up your motor.Get a CTR N1.

yup-- 2 thumbs up for N1

Originally posted by 92hatchatack
yup-- 2 thumbs up for N1 Not to mention cheaper than the UR's,and if Honda can't do it right for their cars,no one can.

finally someone that knows something-- lol OEM RULES!!!