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Another twist in the new rules!!!!!!


ales
02-13-2003, 02:28 PM
I would think I'm not the only one to think Max Mosley has lost the plot completely!!! Now he says that the teams will have to start the race with whatever fuel they have in the cars after Saturday qualifying!!!

http://www.pitpass.com/news2/news.cfm?newsid=4809
and
http://www.pitpass.com/news2/news.cfm?newsid=4814

I strongly disagree with this decision as it makes the "superpole" format totally useless!!! This is yet another rash idea to artificially spice up the things. :o

I haven't said this previously, but the <b>ARE KILLING F1!!!!!!!!!</b> :mad: I am bitterly disapointed. Can't really say more. Screw you FIA the way you screw up my favourite sport. Thanks god MotorsTV will be showin all BTCC events LIVE!

Alex

Veyron
02-13-2003, 02:52 PM
How much more senility can the system endure!?:rolleyes:

Xerxes
02-13-2003, 03:33 PM
FIA may be screwing up the sport, but it is so, a certain team does not dominate all the time, and the lower teams have a change, other than seeing how many ppl can crash out

Guido
02-13-2003, 03:35 PM
I know already by now, that I'm not, I repeat, NOT, going to get up f...ing early in a couple of weeks, to watch this pathetic circus going bust by a moron called Mosley. I'll watch the result on the internet!

It can't be 2008 soon enough.

AND furthermore, DTM starts on April 27, for 10 rounds and Zandvoort and the Nürburgring are only a couple of hours away. ARD & ZDF (German Television) are covering everything live, so DTM will be the series that I'm going to follow this year. At least Mercedes has a decent chance of winning there. :bloated:

Crap FIA!

ales
02-13-2003, 03:36 PM
It always has been, and always should be up to other teams to catch up to the dominant team, and FIA shouldn't make races artificially closer or more exciting.

Guido
02-13-2003, 03:37 PM
Originally posted by Xerxes
FIA may be screwing up the sport, but it is so, a certain team does not dominate all the time, and the lower teams have a change, other than seeing how many ppl can crash out

Not sure what you mean, but I can tell you already now. New regulations or not Ferrari will be dominating again this year. It's up to the compettion to beat them and NO regulation whatsoever is going to change that!

Xerxes
02-13-2003, 03:41 PM
well......if they con't the way it is, the car grid will be down to like 12, because the other teams can't catch-up and they forfit.......more exciting is better. watch schumacher and kimi, was good, better than watching schumacher go around by himself. look @ lemans......not that much fun, when audi is 1,2,3 pretty much all the time. you gotta keep the fans, and the fans will not come, to see the cars go around the track by them selves.

darrenj
02-15-2003, 12:38 PM
MAX mosely is a JACKASS!
Bernie is just senile

primera man
02-22-2003, 03:06 AM
They really are trying to shoot them selfs in the foot aren't they :(

freakray
02-22-2003, 03:50 PM
You guys getting all the touring car stuff are so damn lucky, here in the States, the only alternative to catching WRC highlights and F1 on occasion is frigging Nascar!!!

By the time Mosley is done, I may be reduced to watching the donut ring specials they call a race in Nascar......:mad:

Veyron
02-22-2003, 03:55 PM
Originally posted by freakray
You guys getting all the touring car stuff are so damn lucky, here in the States, the only alternative to catching WRC highlights and F1 on occasion is frigging Nascar!!!

By the time Mosley is done, I may be reduced to watching the donut ring specials they call a race in Nascar......:mad:

I agree, but we also get JGTC!:p

rcmaxx
02-22-2003, 04:23 PM
you can also get touring cars in the US, if you have Speed vision, speed channel, you can watch the American Lemans series, which is pretty dull compared to DTM and the like. However, theres SCCA pro racing which is always exciting.

taranaki
02-22-2003, 05:12 PM
Somebody has to decide whether F1 is to continue as the premier testing ground for new and innovative ideas,or whether the drivers should be in identical cars,on identical tyres,and the whole Grand Prix is just a test of drivers.There are not many sports in the world where the better you are,the more you are penalised,and F1 will not benefit from trying to drag the top teams down to a level where the likes of Minardi can compete.
That said,I would also like to see one of the rules that favours the faster teams changed.One of the reasons that Ferrari gets so far in front is the 'blue flag' rule.Why should the slower vehicles have to surrender track position to those that are trying to lap them?IfSchumaker is the legend that people make him out to be,he should be able to drive his way past.Spectators want to see close racing and lots of passing moves.The Blue flag rule just turns it into a parade for the faster car,and hinders the slower ones.

ales
02-22-2003, 08:07 PM
Wholeheartedly disagree on the second point. If you're a lap down, you have no business interfering with the leaders. It's a scary thought if the leader is made to fight the likes of Alex Yoong. The reason I dislike DC so much (as well as McLaren to a point) is Suzuka 99. He had no business holding up Schumacher when he was chasing Hakkinen. (though I have no objections to the outcome of the 99 championship). This could lead to too many dirty tactics. If you want to find the leader, the proper way is to actually fight for the lead, and not while being lapped.

NSX
02-23-2003, 06:28 PM
Originally posted by ales
If you want to find the leader, the proper way is to actually fight for the lead, and not while being lapped.

well, its hard when one's a minardi & the other is a Ferrari:rolleyes:

cruisey
02-23-2003, 07:06 PM
i like the idea of one lap qualifng, i think thats a good idea, but the parc ferm?? what eva its called is crap, thats not F1! thats not why i became so damn interested in the sport, i think that last year really scared the other top teams, there was no real need to change rules the way they have.
I dont think Max has the best intentions for the sport. and im not gonna back that one up!

ales
02-24-2003, 12:47 AM
Originally posted by NSX


well, its hard when one's a minardi & the other is a Ferrari:rolleyes:

Ha! Predicted this one! No, it's not hard. If you're good enough, you'll move up the ladder. Quite a few top drivers started their careers at Minardi.

freakray
02-24-2003, 07:05 AM
whether the drivers should be in identical cars,on identical tyres

Isn't that called Nascar already?

ales
02-24-2003, 07:07 AM
Originally posted by freakray


Isn't that called Nascar already?

No, that is called CART/Indy. They also have compulsory pitstops - wonder how long before this feature is implemented in F1. :rolleyes:

Guido
02-24-2003, 07:52 AM
Originally posted by ales
Wholeheartedly disagree on the second point. If you're a lap down, you have no business interfering with the leaders. It's a scary thought if the leader is made to fight the likes of Alex Yoong. The reason I dislike DC so much (as well as McLaren to a point) is Suzuka 99. He had no business holding up Schumacher when he was chasing Hakkinen. (though I have no objections to the outcome of the 99 championship). This could lead to too many dirty tactics. If you want to find the leader, the proper way is to actually fight for the lead, and not while being lapped.

don't mention Suzuka 99 or I will Mention Austria 2002!!

At least the spectators got some value for the money at Suzuka in 99 whereas in Austria 2002...
;)
I don't want to start anything here, not at all, but that statement is unfair from someone who's favourite team doesn't respect the ethics of the sport either

So my point Ales, at the end of the day, it's all part of the game, whereas the new regulations are going to upset this game...

;)

ales
02-24-2003, 07:58 AM
Show me a single team that will give a hoot about the ethincs if ignoring them will give them advatage in the race or in the championship. And as I've expressed numerous times, I see nothing wrong with what happened in Austria 2002. Team orders are (were? Yeah right) part of F1, and there's nothing wrong with trying to maximise every situation. In retrospect, we know that it wasn't needed, but back at the A1 ring, I was all for it.

If anything, DC deprived the fans the battle for the lead when he interfered. Good thing you didn't bring up Malaysia 99 when MS was holding everyone up to allw Irvine to take the win. Because then MS was on the same lap and was legit in doing what he did. And it was soooo much fun to watch! :p

Guido
02-24-2003, 08:03 AM
Speaking of teamorders, DC was just doing that, holding back because McLaren wanted him, as did MS like you mentioned, so you got my point. Good.

:)

ales
02-24-2003, 08:06 AM
Originally posted by huudo
Speaking of teamorders, DC was just doing that, holding back because McLaren wanted him, as did MS like you mentioned, so you got my point. Good.

:)

That's why i said I dislike McLaren as well :) Holding someone up when you're a lap down is just wrong. I don't remember anyone else doing this intentionaly in my years (granted, not as many as yours) of watching F1.

ales
02-24-2003, 08:10 AM
But don't get me wrong here - I'm very thankful that Mika won the race and the championship. He deserved it, and I wouldn't have wanted Irvine to win it! :silly:

Guido
02-24-2003, 09:17 AM
Originally posted by ales
But don't get me wrong here - I'm very thankful that Mika won the race and the championship. He deserved it, and I wouldn't have wanted Irvine to win it! :silly:

OK, friends again then :right:

lol

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