So what about the Ivory Coast?
YogsVR4
02-11-2003, 11:22 AM
Someplace other the Iraq is not getting a lot of press around here.
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ABIDJAN (Reuters) - Ivory Coast's peace accord neared collapse on Wednesday as several political parties joined the army to oppose giving key ministries to rebels under a deal that has ignited ethnic clashes and anti-French riots.
Former colonial power France, which brokered the agreement and has sent 2,500 soldiers to the West African country, said it was ready to evacuate thousands of its citizens. Hundreds started to make their own way out on chartered planes.
Opponents of the deal say Paris pushed President Laurent Gbagbo into agreeing to give too much to rebels as a price for ending the four-month-old conflict in the world's biggest cocoa producer -- including the defense and interior ministries.
The army has rejected these key cabinet posts being given to rebels. It has also dismissed suggestions that it would demobilize its forces in the same way as the rebels.
Gbagbo's ruling party and four others that signed the deal at the weekend said in a Paris statement they opposed giving the security ministries to the rebels, adding that aspect was decided without their consent at a West African summit.
But they said they were still committed to the pact and called on France and the United Nations to find a negotiated solution.
"But what we don't want is a re-run of Marcoussis," said Alphonse Djedje Mady, secretary-general of the Democratic Party, referring to the town where the talks were held.
The rebels, who were not at the news conference where the statement was read out, say they will not renegotiate a peace deal they have agreed to and a rebel leader said it was Gbagbo himself who freely agreed to give his MPCI group the ministries.
"This decision wasn't imposed by anyone," Guillaume Soro told French TV station LCI. But Gbagbo's adviser said that was untrue and Gbagbo had simply taken note of what he was told by power brokers led by French President Jacques Chirac and U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan. Emphasizing Ivory Coast's divide, was the absence at the Paris news conference of the party of ex-Prime Minister Alassane Ouattara, whose power base in the Muslim north has been held by rebels since the war erupted with a failed coup in mid-September.
ETHNIC DIVISION
Friction between the north and the more heavily Christian south lay behind the war that has left hundreds dead, driven more than one million from their homes and raised fears of a spreading regional catastrophe.
Rebels accuse Gbagbo of fanning ethnic hatred since he won disputed elections from which Ouattara was excluded in 2000. Gbagbo says the rebels are just out for power.
News of the peace deal seen as favorable to the rebels set off violent anti-French protests in Ivory Coast's main city, Abidjan at the weekend. Stone-throwing crowds besieged France's embassy and army base and French businesses were smashed up.
French Foreign Minister Dominique de Villepin said on Wednesday France was ready to evacuate its 16,000 citizens "at any time." France has previously spoken of protecting foreigners with its troops rather than pulling them out.
"We are watching the situation hour by hour and we will not hesitate to take this decision if the situation demands it," Villepin said. He said French soldiers were on alert but added France had to "avoid any slip-up that could set off a fire."
Planes chartered by French firms flew hundreds of people, many of them women and children, out of Ivory Coast on Wednesday as the return of calm to Abidjan unblocked the road to the airport.
"My life in Ivory Coast is over, that's for sure," said Vincent Boude, a French manager finding his own way out.
Gbagbo has named a new prime minister to form a coalition government but has said he will consult people in Ivory Coast before any further move. His adviser in Paris, Toussaint Alain, said he might speak on Thursday.
News of the peace deal sparked ethnic clashes on Monday in Agboville, 80 km (50 miles) north of Abidjan, between local Christians and Muslim northerners. Security sources said up to 10 people were believed dead but the town was now calm.
(Additional reporting by Paris and United Nations bureaux)
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ABIDJAN (Reuters) - Ivory Coast's peace accord neared collapse on Wednesday as several political parties joined the army to oppose giving key ministries to rebels under a deal that has ignited ethnic clashes and anti-French riots.
Former colonial power France, which brokered the agreement and has sent 2,500 soldiers to the West African country, said it was ready to evacuate thousands of its citizens. Hundreds started to make their own way out on chartered planes.
Opponents of the deal say Paris pushed President Laurent Gbagbo into agreeing to give too much to rebels as a price for ending the four-month-old conflict in the world's biggest cocoa producer -- including the defense and interior ministries.
The army has rejected these key cabinet posts being given to rebels. It has also dismissed suggestions that it would demobilize its forces in the same way as the rebels.
Gbagbo's ruling party and four others that signed the deal at the weekend said in a Paris statement they opposed giving the security ministries to the rebels, adding that aspect was decided without their consent at a West African summit.
But they said they were still committed to the pact and called on France and the United Nations to find a negotiated solution.
"But what we don't want is a re-run of Marcoussis," said Alphonse Djedje Mady, secretary-general of the Democratic Party, referring to the town where the talks were held.
The rebels, who were not at the news conference where the statement was read out, say they will not renegotiate a peace deal they have agreed to and a rebel leader said it was Gbagbo himself who freely agreed to give his MPCI group the ministries.
"This decision wasn't imposed by anyone," Guillaume Soro told French TV station LCI. But Gbagbo's adviser said that was untrue and Gbagbo had simply taken note of what he was told by power brokers led by French President Jacques Chirac and U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan. Emphasizing Ivory Coast's divide, was the absence at the Paris news conference of the party of ex-Prime Minister Alassane Ouattara, whose power base in the Muslim north has been held by rebels since the war erupted with a failed coup in mid-September.
ETHNIC DIVISION
Friction between the north and the more heavily Christian south lay behind the war that has left hundreds dead, driven more than one million from their homes and raised fears of a spreading regional catastrophe.
Rebels accuse Gbagbo of fanning ethnic hatred since he won disputed elections from which Ouattara was excluded in 2000. Gbagbo says the rebels are just out for power.
News of the peace deal seen as favorable to the rebels set off violent anti-French protests in Ivory Coast's main city, Abidjan at the weekend. Stone-throwing crowds besieged France's embassy and army base and French businesses were smashed up.
French Foreign Minister Dominique de Villepin said on Wednesday France was ready to evacuate its 16,000 citizens "at any time." France has previously spoken of protecting foreigners with its troops rather than pulling them out.
"We are watching the situation hour by hour and we will not hesitate to take this decision if the situation demands it," Villepin said. He said French soldiers were on alert but added France had to "avoid any slip-up that could set off a fire."
Planes chartered by French firms flew hundreds of people, many of them women and children, out of Ivory Coast on Wednesday as the return of calm to Abidjan unblocked the road to the airport.
"My life in Ivory Coast is over, that's for sure," said Vincent Boude, a French manager finding his own way out.
Gbagbo has named a new prime minister to form a coalition government but has said he will consult people in Ivory Coast before any further move. His adviser in Paris, Toussaint Alain, said he might speak on Thursday.
News of the peace deal sparked ethnic clashes on Monday in Agboville, 80 km (50 miles) north of Abidjan, between local Christians and Muslim northerners. Security sources said up to 10 people were believed dead but the town was now calm.
(Additional reporting by Paris and United Nations bureaux)
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Cbass
02-11-2003, 02:40 PM
I don't really see how the picture has any bearing on the story. It seems to me that the French and the UN are trying to avert a full scale civil war. Too bad they don't have oil, or the US would be there in a heartbeat :rolleyes:
I note a growing anti-French sentiment in the US... I wonder what's spurring that?
I note a growing anti-French sentiment in the US... I wonder what's spurring that?
Jimster
02-12-2003, 02:01 AM
Originally posted by Cbass
I don't really see how the picture has any bearing on the story. It seems to me that the French and the UN are trying to avert a full scale civil war. Too bad they don't have oil, or the US would be there in a heartbeat :rolleyes:
I note a growing anti-French sentiment in the US... I wonder what's spurring that?
It has seemed the US people have alkways hated the French- I tie it back to the Vietnam conflict- I like the French- ome of the coolest people in the world:D
I don't really see how the picture has any bearing on the story. It seems to me that the French and the UN are trying to avert a full scale civil war. Too bad they don't have oil, or the US would be there in a heartbeat :rolleyes:
I note a growing anti-French sentiment in the US... I wonder what's spurring that?
It has seemed the US people have alkways hated the French- I tie it back to the Vietnam conflict- I like the French- ome of the coolest people in the world:D
GTi-VR6_A3
02-12-2003, 02:07 AM
i wish the US would take up humanitarian efforts more often it would be a better use of our power IMHO. as for france i love the country it is beutiful and most MOST of the people are cool i just dont relaly like the parisians all have been assholes ive ever met or heard about. but yeah i wihs we would go help ivory coast. a guy i go to skool with is from there he said its pretty bad luckily he lived and his family in safer area.
-GTi-VR6_A3
-GTi-VR6_A3
YogsVR4
02-12-2003, 11:25 AM
Originally posted by Cbass
I don't really see how the picture has any bearing on the story. It seems to me that the French and the UN are trying to avert a full scale civil war. Too bad they don't have oil, or the US would be there in a heartbeat :rolleyes:
I note a growing anti-French sentiment in the US... I wonder what's spurring that?
Don't blame me for the picture. I didn't make that shit up.
Anti-French senitment? Its no different then its ever been around here. We discuss how bizzare their customs are, how fast they've declined into near irrelevence the last century and how quick anti-semitism is rising in certain quarters there. But, I haven't seen our opinion changing.
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I don't really see how the picture has any bearing on the story. It seems to me that the French and the UN are trying to avert a full scale civil war. Too bad they don't have oil, or the US would be there in a heartbeat :rolleyes:
I note a growing anti-French sentiment in the US... I wonder what's spurring that?
Don't blame me for the picture. I didn't make that shit up.
Anti-French senitment? Its no different then its ever been around here. We discuss how bizzare their customs are, how fast they've declined into near irrelevence the last century and how quick anti-semitism is rising in certain quarters there. But, I haven't seen our opinion changing.
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Cbass
02-12-2003, 02:18 PM
Originally posted by YogsVR4
Don't blame me for the picture. I didn't make that shit up.
Anti-French senitment? Its no different then its ever been around here. We discuss how bizzare their customs are, how fast they've declined into near irrelevence the last century and how quick anti-semitism is rising in certain quarters there. But, I haven't seen our opinion changing.
I don't see how you could be against the country that bought the US it's independence... Their customs are no more bizarre than in North America, they're just different. Every fall we dress our children up in fanciful costumes and send them out to collect candy, talk about bizarre :D.
France always has been, and still is one of the most powerful countries in the world. In the last 50 years, France and Germany have been forging ever closer economic and political ties, and were the driving force behind the European union.
I have definately seen American public opinion shift on France, since the US started pushing for war. France, along with most of the free world, doesn't want to see a war, unless it's absolutely necessary. The US OTOH, is chomping at the bit to invade Iraq, despite what the other western nations say.
Don't blame me for the picture. I didn't make that shit up.
Anti-French senitment? Its no different then its ever been around here. We discuss how bizzare their customs are, how fast they've declined into near irrelevence the last century and how quick anti-semitism is rising in certain quarters there. But, I haven't seen our opinion changing.
I don't see how you could be against the country that bought the US it's independence... Their customs are no more bizarre than in North America, they're just different. Every fall we dress our children up in fanciful costumes and send them out to collect candy, talk about bizarre :D.
France always has been, and still is one of the most powerful countries in the world. In the last 50 years, France and Germany have been forging ever closer economic and political ties, and were the driving force behind the European union.
I have definately seen American public opinion shift on France, since the US started pushing for war. France, along with most of the free world, doesn't want to see a war, unless it's absolutely necessary. The US OTOH, is chomping at the bit to invade Iraq, despite what the other western nations say.
GTi-VR6_A3
02-12-2003, 02:28 PM
Originally posted by Cbass
I don't see how you could be against the country that bought the US it's independence... Their customs are no more bizarre than in North America, they're just different. Every fall we dress our children up in fanciful costumes and send them out to collect candy, talk about bizarre :D.
France always has been, and still is one of the most powerful countries in the world. In the last 50 years, France and Germany have been forging ever closer economic and political ties, and were the driving force behind the European union.
I have definately seen American public opinion shift on France, since the US started pushing for war. France, along with most of the free world, doesn't want to see a war, unless it's absolutely necessary. The US OTOH, is chomping at the bit to invade Iraq, despite what the other western nations say.
hey hey wait now my friend i didnt like parisians and french gov even before W came itno power and wanted to attack iraq so yeah
-GTi-VR6_A3
I don't see how you could be against the country that bought the US it's independence... Their customs are no more bizarre than in North America, they're just different. Every fall we dress our children up in fanciful costumes and send them out to collect candy, talk about bizarre :D.
France always has been, and still is one of the most powerful countries in the world. In the last 50 years, France and Germany have been forging ever closer economic and political ties, and were the driving force behind the European union.
I have definately seen American public opinion shift on France, since the US started pushing for war. France, along with most of the free world, doesn't want to see a war, unless it's absolutely necessary. The US OTOH, is chomping at the bit to invade Iraq, despite what the other western nations say.
hey hey wait now my friend i didnt like parisians and french gov even before W came itno power and wanted to attack iraq so yeah
-GTi-VR6_A3
taranaki
02-12-2003, 11:48 PM
Perhaps the U.S. will step in soon. (http://www.gasandoil.com/goc/news/nta21090.htm)
Stefanel1
02-13-2003, 02:13 PM
> GTi-VR6_A3 : I'm Parisian.... ;) What don't you like with them ? And what is the problem with french government ?
The relations between France and the USA have always been difficult. It really began with Charles de Gaulle who was not at all a consensual president. He retired from NATO, etc. It continued mainly with François Mitterrand and Jacques Chirac. Even if Valéry Giscard d'Estaing was very important too in this relationship.
But I prefer to see this problematic relation as a relation in a couple of married people, sometimes they "fight", sometimes they make love !
But the real problem is that France is a powerful country (4th power in the world) with a "big mouth". And we're not always agree with Americans (or other people). And this time, same thing with the refusal of France according to turkish issue.
And France (as Germany, Russia, Belgium, etc.) doesn't want a war in Iraq because the Americans only want to make this war for oil. That's not a scoop.
As the Ivory Coast is concerned, we could have seen some slogan as "Chirac = Ben Laden" etc., because France made a plan to stop civil war in this country, including rebellious to the future government (outcome : rebellious + Christians + Muslims = big mess !) and some people there are not agree with this decision.
But I'm still very desappointed by the behaviour of some Americans (as much as the anti-American Frenchs) toward us.
And we're equal : Americans set us free from Nazis, and French gave you your Independance ;)
I don't see the difference about our customs neither : we're living in a capitalist economy, as Germans, Italians, Finlandish, Englishs, Australians, Japanese, and Americans for example. Even if there are some non-significant cultural differences hopefuly !
The relations between France and the USA have always been difficult. It really began with Charles de Gaulle who was not at all a consensual president. He retired from NATO, etc. It continued mainly with François Mitterrand and Jacques Chirac. Even if Valéry Giscard d'Estaing was very important too in this relationship.
But I prefer to see this problematic relation as a relation in a couple of married people, sometimes they "fight", sometimes they make love !
But the real problem is that France is a powerful country (4th power in the world) with a "big mouth". And we're not always agree with Americans (or other people). And this time, same thing with the refusal of France according to turkish issue.
And France (as Germany, Russia, Belgium, etc.) doesn't want a war in Iraq because the Americans only want to make this war for oil. That's not a scoop.
As the Ivory Coast is concerned, we could have seen some slogan as "Chirac = Ben Laden" etc., because France made a plan to stop civil war in this country, including rebellious to the future government (outcome : rebellious + Christians + Muslims = big mess !) and some people there are not agree with this decision.
But I'm still very desappointed by the behaviour of some Americans (as much as the anti-American Frenchs) toward us.
And we're equal : Americans set us free from Nazis, and French gave you your Independance ;)
I don't see the difference about our customs neither : we're living in a capitalist economy, as Germans, Italians, Finlandish, Englishs, Australians, Japanese, and Americans for example. Even if there are some non-significant cultural differences hopefuly !
Stefanel1
02-13-2003, 02:26 PM
>YogsVR4 : there is not anti semitism in France, not more than everywhere else...
YogsVR4
02-13-2003, 03:57 PM
Originally posted by Stefanel1
? France is Socialistic. Not Capitolistic.
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? France is Socialistic. Not Capitolistic.
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Stefanel1
02-13-2003, 04:13 PM
Socialist ??????!!!! ah, I didn't know ! Jacques Chirac is from Right, Mr. Raffarin (the current prime minister) and our government too.
We had Mr. Jospin for 5 years who was socialist indeed.
But since 1945, there was about 40 years of right governments (Giscard, Balladur, Chirac, Juppé, etc.) and 15 of left (Mitterrand, Jospin, Fabius, etc.). So I do not consider France as a socialistic country, and even when Socialists were on the commands, France was still a Capitalistic country !
We had Mr. Jospin for 5 years who was socialist indeed.
But since 1945, there was about 40 years of right governments (Giscard, Balladur, Chirac, Juppé, etc.) and 15 of left (Mitterrand, Jospin, Fabius, etc.). So I do not consider France as a socialistic country, and even when Socialists were on the commands, France was still a Capitalistic country !
Stefanel1
02-13-2003, 04:19 PM
and for a socialistic country, it does work well ! France is the 4th power in the world with "only" 60 000 000 of inhabitants.
Jimster
02-13-2003, 10:55 PM
aaaahhh......don't worry mate- my good friend Yogs likes to think he knows everything ;)
But really what you said was quite interesting- you learn something new every day :D
But really what you said was quite interesting- you learn something new every day :D
Cbass
02-13-2003, 11:49 PM
Actually, France is capitalist. In fact, even Sweden, which is the most heavily leftist country in Europe is still capitalist. Just not in the same sickening way the US is.
Really, the very fact that the average American believes goverment regulation of anything is a bad idea makes me uneasy. I want to move to Ireland.
Really, the very fact that the average American believes goverment regulation of anything is a bad idea makes me uneasy. I want to move to Ireland.
Stefanel1
02-14-2003, 05:03 AM
Thanks friends :D
But I'd like an answer from VR6 and Yog because it's interesting to have opinions from Americans about Europeans. Just want a little debate ;)
But I'd like an answer from VR6 and Yog because it's interesting to have opinions from Americans about Europeans. Just want a little debate ;)
YogsVR4
02-14-2003, 10:01 AM
Originally posted by Stefanel1
and for a socialistic country, it does work well ! France is the 4th power in the world with "only" 60 000 000 of inhabitants.
I'm not sure how you define "power". I know from http://www.france.diplomatie.fr/france/gb/eco/eco01.html that 4th in economic and export so I assume thats what you mean. However if you go to http://www.geographyiq.com you will see a large number of different rankings among other calculations.
CBass and his US bashing aside, I hope he can find his way to Ireland in short order. However he is completely wrong in saying the average American believes that regulation of anything is a bad idea.
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and for a socialistic country, it does work well ! France is the 4th power in the world with "only" 60 000 000 of inhabitants.
I'm not sure how you define "power". I know from http://www.france.diplomatie.fr/france/gb/eco/eco01.html that 4th in economic and export so I assume thats what you mean. However if you go to http://www.geographyiq.com you will see a large number of different rankings among other calculations.
CBass and his US bashing aside, I hope he can find his way to Ireland in short order. However he is completely wrong in saying the average American believes that regulation of anything is a bad idea.
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Cbass
02-14-2003, 05:37 PM
Originally posted by YogsVR4
CBass and his US bashing aside, I hope he can find his way to Ireland in short order. However he is completely wrong in saying the average American believes that regulation of anything is a bad idea.
I don't think I've engaged in any US bashing, just stating the facts, and perhaps one or two opinions. The US is run by a few thousand incredibly wealthy citizens, whos avarice is only surpassed by their ruthlessness. The foreign policy of the US is "if we want it, we take it, and fuck anyone who tries to stop us".
These are facts, not opinions. While I can't speak for the average American, I have met many, and quite a few of them aboout how bad regulation was, and how it was destroying the country etc... That one I have drawn from my personal experience.
CBass and his US bashing aside, I hope he can find his way to Ireland in short order. However he is completely wrong in saying the average American believes that regulation of anything is a bad idea.
I don't think I've engaged in any US bashing, just stating the facts, and perhaps one or two opinions. The US is run by a few thousand incredibly wealthy citizens, whos avarice is only surpassed by their ruthlessness. The foreign policy of the US is "if we want it, we take it, and fuck anyone who tries to stop us".
These are facts, not opinions. While I can't speak for the average American, I have met many, and quite a few of them aboout how bad regulation was, and how it was destroying the country etc... That one I have drawn from my personal experience.
Stefanel1
02-14-2003, 08:11 PM
The general ranking is this (as the economic power is concered) :
1st : USA
2nd : Japan
3rd : Germany
4th : France
5th : United Kingdom.
But of course, you could take other criteria to classify these countries, but when you said that France was a socialist country, I cought.....
1st : USA
2nd : Japan
3rd : Germany
4th : France
5th : United Kingdom.
But of course, you could take other criteria to classify these countries, but when you said that France was a socialist country, I cought.....
GTi-VR6_A3
02-15-2003, 02:38 AM
Stefanel1 i have nothing against you. im making the cbass claim of the parisians ive met and heard stories of friends going there i have not heard good things. but then here we are putting people in a box again. it was in no way a personal attack against you and i would like to apologize.
as for regulations i personally believe in a capitalistic society which in theory is run off of supply and demand and no real govnt besides military and judicial. that is absurd in my mind though. i like the idea of capitalism with regulation makes the most sense. otherwise puplic parks would never exist and neither would catalytic converters. (whole other thread that i will consider someday starting).
so in end i only answered two small things with a lot of words but i am not in a htining mood right now. i will post agian when im feeling all political. thanks for waiting. and remember all im 17 so i dont have a full view of things but i have a pretty damn good one for someone my age going to city college. better than a lot of adults id like to think.
-GTi-VR6_A3
as for regulations i personally believe in a capitalistic society which in theory is run off of supply and demand and no real govnt besides military and judicial. that is absurd in my mind though. i like the idea of capitalism with regulation makes the most sense. otherwise puplic parks would never exist and neither would catalytic converters. (whole other thread that i will consider someday starting).
so in end i only answered two small things with a lot of words but i am not in a htining mood right now. i will post agian when im feeling all political. thanks for waiting. and remember all im 17 so i dont have a full view of things but i have a pretty damn good one for someone my age going to city college. better than a lot of adults id like to think.
-GTi-VR6_A3
Stefanel1
02-15-2003, 06:54 AM
>GTi-VR6_A3 : I didn't take that as a personnal attak. But I like to know what are our positives and negatives aspects (talking for French, or Parisian, or whatever). So develop please, it's interesting ;)
Scuse me but I won't enter the economic debate (regulation etc.), I could in French, but in English..... :D
Scuse me but I won't enter the economic debate (regulation etc.), I could in French, but in English..... :D
Cbass
02-15-2003, 04:52 PM
The world is far too complex to understand in a dozen lifetimes, so just concentrate on the parts that matter to you. :)
taranaki
02-15-2003, 06:24 PM
Another example of a foreign power coming unstuck when interfering in the sovereign affairs of someone else's country.The days of colonialism are over.The French should make a tactical withdrawal and let the locals sort out their own differences.If there's a case for peacekeeping,let the U.N. do it. They can do it far more effectively than simply swamping a country with foreign troops.
Stefanel1
02-15-2003, 06:54 PM
The problem is that there are many French working for long in the Ivory Coast. So they had to come in.
GTi-VR6_A3
02-16-2003, 02:54 AM
stefanel ill get back to you in specific on the french topic kuz im really tired from work today and yeha.
taranaki. THE UN IS USELESS!!! and I AM NOT speaking as a person that just wants to go to war and is pissed that the un is stoppping america. i can tell you my views on that another day kuz thats not how i think. but seriously the UN is almost useless i mean they have some good stuff and all but they apointed someone from i believe it was iran to head up the education commitee for 3rd world countries. the guy they appointed was against educating the masses kuz it cooms the dictatorship. as for going to help. some country or other would end up saying that it was wrong and it would take friggin months for someting to be done. if france wants to go help the people i support them. i will always support that type of "interference" to use the word wierdly.
well shit now that im all into it stefanel... i have had a teacher from Leon and he was a great guiy. my aunt went and lived there for a few years and loved it and the language. she told me alot of people in paris were rude but alot were nice too. my friend ken went there and loved every part of it except for most of the people in paris were very rude to him and his tour group. and many of the people i have dealt with from france have been nice but the ones from paris that i have met had an heir (sp?) of assholeness to them. as for you my friend you seem like a great guy. and all of that will not stop me from visitng your lovely country... holy shit that was an essay man. help ya there bud?
-GTi-VR6_A3
taranaki. THE UN IS USELESS!!! and I AM NOT speaking as a person that just wants to go to war and is pissed that the un is stoppping america. i can tell you my views on that another day kuz thats not how i think. but seriously the UN is almost useless i mean they have some good stuff and all but they apointed someone from i believe it was iran to head up the education commitee for 3rd world countries. the guy they appointed was against educating the masses kuz it cooms the dictatorship. as for going to help. some country or other would end up saying that it was wrong and it would take friggin months for someting to be done. if france wants to go help the people i support them. i will always support that type of "interference" to use the word wierdly.
well shit now that im all into it stefanel... i have had a teacher from Leon and he was a great guiy. my aunt went and lived there for a few years and loved it and the language. she told me alot of people in paris were rude but alot were nice too. my friend ken went there and loved every part of it except for most of the people in paris were very rude to him and his tour group. and many of the people i have dealt with from france have been nice but the ones from paris that i have met had an heir (sp?) of assholeness to them. as for you my friend you seem like a great guy. and all of that will not stop me from visitng your lovely country... holy shit that was an essay man. help ya there bud?
-GTi-VR6_A3
taranaki
02-16-2003, 03:28 AM
Originally posted by GTi-VR6_A3
stefanel ill get back to you in specific on the french topic kuz im really tired from work today and yeha.
taranaki. THE UN IS USELESS!!! ............the guy they appointed was against educating the masses kuz it cooms the dictatorship.
LOL ......... i will always support that type of "interference" to use the word wierdly.HUUUUUUUUH??????:bloated: :bloated:
... i have had a teacher from Leon and he was a great guiy. But clearly he didn't teach Geography or English........ many of the people i have dealt with from france have been nice but the ones from paris that i have met had an heir (sp?) of assholeness to them. ....
lovely strangulation of the language....;) help ya there bud?
-GTi-VR6_A3 frankly...no
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stefanel ill get back to you in specific on the french topic kuz im really tired from work today and yeha.
taranaki. THE UN IS USELESS!!! ............the guy they appointed was against educating the masses kuz it cooms the dictatorship.
LOL ......... i will always support that type of "interference" to use the word wierdly.HUUUUUUUUH??????:bloated: :bloated:
... i have had a teacher from Leon and he was a great guiy. But clearly he didn't teach Geography or English........ many of the people i have dealt with from france have been nice but the ones from paris that i have met had an heir (sp?) of assholeness to them. ....
lovely strangulation of the language....;) help ya there bud?
-GTi-VR6_A3 frankly...no
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GTi-VR6_A3
02-16-2003, 04:09 AM
i FRIGGIN TOLD YA IT WAS A LONG DAY:D:bloated::o... i was gunna kall in sick but i woke up too late to kall in sick so iwhen i was there i asked to leave early but it was too busy to leave early so i stayed an extra 15 minutes got a full 8 hours and now im tired and cant use my own language correctly damnit. i am friggin sick stupid cold. and i am supposed ot be a cart attendant tomorrow and its damn rainign hell no. im waking up at 10 kalling in sick and going back to sleep. i dont start til 3 either haha. well that was a blab. if you have any questions about the previous post kuz of grammer please ask me.
-GTi-VR6_A3
-GTi-VR6_A3
Stefanel1
02-16-2003, 09:48 AM
Ok for a bier ;)
I must confess that Parisians are sometimes not very kind and welcoming, and there are some very nice. But isn't it the same thing in all the big capitals in the world (London, Roma, Washington, Berlin, etc.) ? People are stressed, ok that's not an excuse, and I don't think it's a good way of being with other people !
For example, I really loved San Francisco, which is a wonderful town, but I loved New York too, whereas people were as stresses and rude as in Paris, or Milano, and this kind of big cities. ;)
I must confess that Parisians are sometimes not very kind and welcoming, and there are some very nice. But isn't it the same thing in all the big capitals in the world (London, Roma, Washington, Berlin, etc.) ? People are stressed, ok that's not an excuse, and I don't think it's a good way of being with other people !
For example, I really loved San Francisco, which is a wonderful town, but I loved New York too, whereas people were as stresses and rude as in Paris, or Milano, and this kind of big cities. ;)
GTi-VR6_A3
02-16-2003, 02:02 PM
maybe im just too used to my nice little city. where as we dont think of it as little in reality it is kuz most people that work and use it live in the area not in the city. we are still less that 1,000,000 people. wow huh?
-GTi-VR6_A3
-GTi-VR6_A3
taranaki
02-16-2003, 04:01 PM
Originally posted by GTi-VR6_A3
maybe im just too used to my nice little city. where as we dont think of it as little in reality it is kuz most people that work and use it live in the area not in the city. we are still less that 1,000,000 people. wow huh?
-GTi-VR6_A3
Little?that's about as big as the LARGEST city in N.Z.:silly2: :silly2: :silly2: :silly2: :silly2:
THE PLACE WHERE I LIVE HAS A POPULATION OF 6 AND A GOAT.........:eek:
maybe im just too used to my nice little city. where as we dont think of it as little in reality it is kuz most people that work and use it live in the area not in the city. we are still less that 1,000,000 people. wow huh?
-GTi-VR6_A3
Little?that's about as big as the LARGEST city in N.Z.:silly2: :silly2: :silly2: :silly2: :silly2:
THE PLACE WHERE I LIVE HAS A POPULATION OF 6 AND A GOAT.........:eek:
GTi-VR6_A3
02-16-2003, 04:14 PM
well yeah in relation . NYC is about 2mil last timei saw a # but if your from NZ it would be huge. come visit sf sometime its a great friggin city i doubt i will ever leave.
-GTi-VR6_A3
-GTi-VR6_A3
jon@af
02-16-2003, 09:34 PM
Originally posted by taranaki
THE PLACE WHERE I LIVE HAS A POPULATION OF 6 AND A GOAT.........:eek:
you guys have a goat!? not fair!
THE PLACE WHERE I LIVE HAS A POPULATION OF 6 AND A GOAT.........:eek:
you guys have a goat!? not fair!
Jimster
02-17-2003, 01:17 AM
Originally posted by GTi-VR6_A3
well yeah in relation . NYC is about 2mil last timei saw a # but if your from NZ it would be huge. come visit sf sometime its a great friggin city i doubt i will ever leave.
-GTi-VR6_A3
I did- and I din't like it very much I am sad to say- the place is crawling with bums, the city isn't very clean, Alztatraz is the only tourist spot worh visiting and I nver felt safe walking in San Fransisco at night and the taxi/limo drivers there pretty much sit on thier horns :eek:
However 18 Swedish Pancakes at Sears was definitley awesome- although I lost my watch in that restraunt and the Handelry was an excellent hotel:D
I much prefer Auckland in NZ ;)
well yeah in relation . NYC is about 2mil last timei saw a # but if your from NZ it would be huge. come visit sf sometime its a great friggin city i doubt i will ever leave.
-GTi-VR6_A3
I did- and I din't like it very much I am sad to say- the place is crawling with bums, the city isn't very clean, Alztatraz is the only tourist spot worh visiting and I nver felt safe walking in San Fransisco at night and the taxi/limo drivers there pretty much sit on thier horns :eek:
However 18 Swedish Pancakes at Sears was definitley awesome- although I lost my watch in that restraunt and the Handelry was an excellent hotel:D
I much prefer Auckland in NZ ;)
GTi-VR6_A3
02-17-2003, 01:19 AM
Originally posted by Jimster
I did- and I din't like it very much I am sad to say- the place is crawling with bums, the city isn't very clean, Alztatraz is the only tourist spot worh visiting and I nver felt safe walking in San Fransisco at night and the taxi/limo drivers there pretty much sit on thier horns :eek:
However 18 Swedish Pancakes at Sears was definitley awesome- although I lost my watch in that restraunt and the Handelry was an excellent hotel:D
I much prefer Auckland in NZ ;)
bums are in every big city in the us unfortuneatly. try NYC that SUX. where were you trying to walk around at night. in most places its perfectly fine at almost any hour. and again with the taxi's try new york. as far as big cities go its pretty nice and i fell at home.
-GTi-VR6_A3
I did- and I din't like it very much I am sad to say- the place is crawling with bums, the city isn't very clean, Alztatraz is the only tourist spot worh visiting and I nver felt safe walking in San Fransisco at night and the taxi/limo drivers there pretty much sit on thier horns :eek:
However 18 Swedish Pancakes at Sears was definitley awesome- although I lost my watch in that restraunt and the Handelry was an excellent hotel:D
I much prefer Auckland in NZ ;)
bums are in every big city in the us unfortuneatly. try NYC that SUX. where were you trying to walk around at night. in most places its perfectly fine at almost any hour. and again with the taxi's try new york. as far as big cities go its pretty nice and i fell at home.
-GTi-VR6_A3
Jimster
02-17-2003, 01:39 AM
Originally posted by GTi-VR6_A3
bums are in every big city in the us unfortuneatly. try NYC that SUX. where were you trying to walk around at night. in most places its perfectly fine at almost any hour. and again with the taxi's try new york. as far as big cities go its pretty nice and i fell at home.
-GTi-VR6_A3
I'm not good with street and area names so I forgot most of where I was walking around :D But in all honesty wherver you are born and raised will always feel like home to anybody :D I love Genoa- but Wellington is still my home :D
As for bums true enough- The States are just crawling with them- it is sad really :( Venice Beach is another bum hot-spot.
bums are in every big city in the us unfortuneatly. try NYC that SUX. where were you trying to walk around at night. in most places its perfectly fine at almost any hour. and again with the taxi's try new york. as far as big cities go its pretty nice and i fell at home.
-GTi-VR6_A3
I'm not good with street and area names so I forgot most of where I was walking around :D But in all honesty wherver you are born and raised will always feel like home to anybody :D I love Genoa- but Wellington is still my home :D
As for bums true enough- The States are just crawling with them- it is sad really :( Venice Beach is another bum hot-spot.
GTi-VR6_A3
02-17-2003, 02:44 AM
did you know that only 5% of people that are homelss are there without choice. or a # arround there . i wihs i could find the study. that means tha tlike 90-95% of homeless people and beggars could be doing something else... THAT is sad\
-GTi-VR6_A3
-GTi-VR6_A3
inferno
02-17-2003, 12:28 PM
Originally posted by taranaki
Another example of a foreign power coming unstuck when interfering in the sovereign affairs of someone else's country.The days of colonialism are over.The French should make a tactical withdrawal and let the locals sort out their own differences.If there's a case for peacekeeping,let the U.N. do it. They can do it far more effectively than simply swamping a country with foreign troops.
The U.N. would do the same thing that the French did. They would try to solve it diplomatically, and if that failed, they would send "foreign troops" in to try to settle things down. If the locals could sort things out on their own, France wouldn't have bothered interferring.
Another example of a foreign power coming unstuck when interfering in the sovereign affairs of someone else's country.The days of colonialism are over.The French should make a tactical withdrawal and let the locals sort out their own differences.If there's a case for peacekeeping,let the U.N. do it. They can do it far more effectively than simply swamping a country with foreign troops.
The U.N. would do the same thing that the French did. They would try to solve it diplomatically, and if that failed, they would send "foreign troops" in to try to settle things down. If the locals could sort things out on their own, France wouldn't have bothered interferring.
Stefanel1
02-17-2003, 02:10 PM
totally agree with Inferno ;)
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