What is your favorite skyline?

to top it all off... you can't afford a skyline at your age pal...


August 25th, 1985. yeah. that makes you what, 17 right now?

you can afford the 95,000 dollar skyline from motorex, and then mod it to 750 hp?

fat chance pal.

i like the r32, but i still think it looks a little outdated.

Originally posted by jeelanim
i like the r32, but i still think it looks a little outdated.
A lot of people change their mind when they see it live.

i've never seen one live, but i've seen enough modded r32's in mags to know that they look hella tight compared to the stockers...

sami, i'm not sure if you've posted em before, but do you have pics of yours?

if you did, just gimme a link to the thread... i'd love to see it

what are some good r32 body kits?

Originally posted by flylwsi
sami, i'm not sure if you've posted em before, but do you have pics of yours?
They are on the link on my sig. Unfortunately ImageStation changed it so you have to register (it's free and quick so no biggie) and I haven't had the time to move them. Movies are in www.sami.kallio.com (need Divx players to view them, www.divx.com/divx) but don't expect anything like Exvitermini-movies... :)

Here is one from my own site:

http://12.239.130.41:6969/pics/skyline/sky.jpg

it looks good all the same...

in light of the way everyone is about the r34, i'd rather have an r32 or r33 if i had the chance... a. because they're less expensive, and b. b/c in a few months, they'll be in that damn movie, so the older styles won't be familiar, while everyone with access to a theater will know what an r34 is...

nice ride...

r32 body kits?!?!?!?!

i'm not sure what you meant by that, but there's tons of companies that make kits for the r32... nice lookin stuff to...

flywsi, of course there is understeer due to braking. Watch Best Mototring Vol5 and the final battle at the end with 600HP car. The s15 is understeering badly towards the end of the race due to being the only car without ABS and the brakes smoking up on everycorner. There is understeer and there is power understeer.
Understeer just means u go straight instead of turning. If ur brakes aint working well u will go straight and not turn.
Power understeer would be when ur on the gas and it doesnt turn.

The R34 is supposedly the best handling of all the GTR's due to the ATESSA system being upgraded dramatically.
I know I would prefer an R34 or R32. R33 is supposedly shit in all respects (handling, speed), the R34 IS the fastest of them stock.
13.7 1/4 in an R32 is slower than a EVO7, 6 and 5's s1/4 mile time.
And Australia got R32 GTR's so there are many tests done in Australia.
13.7 is what they definately got.

i'm well aware of the problem but we're talking about 600hp cars there, and i'm pretty sure that car's got some wicked camber on, as opposed to being a street car. you can find understeer in anything on the track.

i'm highly doubting what has been posted by our friend who "owns" the skyline that's still for sale on motorex's site. i would think you'd have to push a car pretty hard to find it's limit in that sense.

i see what you're saying, but my post was directed more at doubting the previous post.

I'm starting to think you are all just punk 12 years olds. Very imature comments. My dads friend is Mark Gillies. HAHA, your not as smart as you wish you could be flylwsi, understeer is a wiegh problem smart one, added wiegh to the front of a car creates understeer dragging it's nose wide in the corner, oversteer is the opposite, it's accerating suddenly in the turn putting wiegh to the rear quarters and while in the corner turning, the rear will want to fish out, you apply more gas and you'll brake the tires free from traction and the centrifical force will do the rest, both understeer and oversteer are not smart if actually competing. Looks like you little boys have been playing to much GranTurismo? The M3 understeers when pushed because of aerodynamic downforce, most all cars do that but with the R32 the recovery from the braking understeer takes to much effort in my opinion. Yeah my pictures are from motorex.net dumbass, they havn't undated there website in months! Oh, the R32 i drove was all stock accept for the motorex standard emissions tuning. And where do you come off judging my income when you don't even know me?

i doubt you.

i asked questions. you answered them. supposedly anyways.

you're 17. i doubt you could afford a skyline.

i'm not trying to be smart here pal.

i doubted you. i called you out.

now you're getting all defensive.

big surprise.

i still highly doubt anything you posted.


as stated, the m3 has a tendency to understeer when pushed hard on the track. what's wrong with that? you just agreed with it, and you want to call me out? 12 year olds?

i've got a few years on your my friend, let alone a few years on this board.

i could just as easily pull a name out of a magazine and say my dad knows them. i could give you a run down of people in the automotive aftermarket that i know by name. what does that prove?

nothing. you're all talk my friend. i really doubt you own it.

and just to clarify. i've never played any video games in regards to what you are trying to say. sorry. i'm not a child of the computer.

do you have anything else you'd like to throw at me?

95,000 dollars and the insurance that is astronomical seems pretty far out of reach for a 17 year old, unless of course, daddy paid for it.

and to clarify some more...

understeer has nothing to do with having a "heavy" front end.

you can try again though...

there are enough light front ends out there that still understeer to prove you wrong. anything else?

Superstreetracer: Please check your PMs.


Now, as for your technical mistakes.

Understeer. A lack of traction on the front wheels. This is not caused by weight on the front wheels. In fact, more weight on the front wheels is what you need in order to correct understeer. Why is this you ask? Because traction is created when your tires are pressed agianst the road, press them more, and you have more available traction. Why do you think downforce is such a big deal? Why do you think drivers practice left foot braking in order to shift weight forward through corners not requiring a downshift? In general, 4wd/awd cars have more of a problem with this then RWD cars because 2 of their drive wheels lose traction when they understeer.

Oversteer is the exact same thing, just in a different area of the car, and it's easier to correct. To a certian point, a little press of the gas will shift weight backward and plant the rear.


Oh, and understeer and over steer happen all the time on racing. You may even hear announcers talking about how on a certian turn onto a straight they "really come barreling around that turn, all 4 sliding to get as much momentum as possible for the straight.

As for your mention of "R32 braking understeer recovery" You will experience understeer while braking because your wheels are locked up and you are past 100% traction, to correct this, try... oh... Not braking hard while turning.

yeah, my dad did pay for it, he was going to buy it for him self. his dad bought him a charger when he was my age (the cool car back then i guess) so my dad did some research and phone calls and sure enough my dad bought it for me last july. You guys really need to actually drive a car, this is very annoying when you guys keep trying to state "facts" that are not true to real life, maybe in a video game, not on the track. Have any of you been to a performance driving cool? My dad went to the skip barber driving school in montoray CA 1 1/2 years ago. He knows what he is talking about, at the end of the classes they would take them over the Laguna Seca in montoray with some corvettes and teach them how to take the track in less that 1min50sec, which is pretty hard to do. Weigh distrobution is the most complicated area in designing a car. Why? because it determanes to handeling carateristics of a car. Anymore uneducated posts you would like to throw at me cus it's my day off. What is a PM?

um, hello...

i'm not a video gamer. i drive cars. please don't tell me what i should and should not do.

PM is a personal message.

you may want to go to your profile and see what's there.

your dad went to laguna so he must be some god of the track.

gontrax just told you that weight distribution has to do with how a car handles, and now you want to throw it back like you came up with that?

and you have the balls to call anyone who has posted here uneducated?

come on now. grow up...

you're still 17 and you're acting your age. i don't care what you "drive".

I havent driven a gTR on the track so I dont know, but from what I have read, GTR's tend to understeer into a corner and oversteer out of it.
In best motoring they normally just take them sideways thru the whole corner. hehe

well, that makes two of us who haven't driven them...

if you understeer in and oversteer out...

that usually means you're driving it beyond it's limits anyways, and that no matter what the car is, you'll understeer...

if you were to take a car that shows NO understeer and over drive it into a corner, it'd understeer in and oversteer out...

under in b/c it's going too fast to turn, and over out b/c you'd be trying to steer with the throttle to bring it around and not go off the track...

just b/c you see something one way doesn't mean that a car does it all the time...

if a car is smoking it's tires while understeering, it's highly likely that it was driven too hard into the corner in the first place.

i see your point though.

All 4WD's understeer into a corner, thats just how they work, but because atessa allows torque split it also allows power on oversteer which is unusal for a 4WD.
Thats why GTR's are the only 4WDs that drifters use, otherwise its RWD.

whoa...

jun evo drifting... and wrx's...

i've seen a few professionals drift em...

option had a video with that jun evo drifting in it...

it honestly depends on the suspension and the corner, and the car. not all 4wd/awd cars understeer into a corner. that's a bit of a generalization.

you can, however, make ANY car understeer into a corner...

awd would understeer less than your regular rwd car, though... provided equal suspension setups and what not...

Originally posted by flylwsi
i'm not sure what you meant by that, but there's tons of companies that make kits for the r32... nice lookin stuff to...

I want to see some pictues of r32's with body kits. I fo0und some nice ones on takakaira.

http://www.veilside.com/veilsideusa/frames.html

go to the body kits, they've got two...

http://www.bomexaero.com/bomexusa.html

go to nissan, then r32 gtr... couple kits there...

that's a couple...

WRX's are the worst understeerers of them all, evos are set up fro a bit of oversteer, but it is coming into the corner. Every review u read about WRX's has ppl complaining about understeer.
It is due to the front wheel drive, a wrx is set up as more of a FWD driver than any other 4wd car while the EVO is set up a bit more neutrally and the GTR is set up as more of a rear driver.
FWD understeers the most
AWD the second
And RWD understeers the least.

All cars are made to have a little understeer into corners as understeer is much easier to control than oversteer into a corner.

WRX's are 50/50 split. Except the earlier STi's which had a dial control, 50/50 to 35/65 F/R split. I have no problems with understeer in my WRX. In fact, it is less prone to under steer than my GTS25t was, go figure. Simple things like a little more pressure in your front tyres and less in the rears or a strut brace on the front take car of any understeer that there may have ever been.

As for your mention of "R32 braking understeer recovery" You will experience understeer while braking because your wheels are locked up and you are past 100% traction, to correct this, try... oh... Not braking hard while turning.
Agree'd, use less brake....... like non at all. Speaking from experiance, more gas is a better solution to help in that situation. That's what ATTESSA was designed for.......

Ask how the R34s are doing? I will tell you, they are far from producing the wins that Godzilla did, infact not even close.

Awesome the R32 is, and may have been, it doesn't have the same record as the KPGC110 GTR from back in 1969-70, a car that won almost every race it was entered in.

So I guess, that makes the KPGC110 GTR my favorite Skyline.

Originally posted by flylwsi
http://www.veilside.com/veilsideusa/frames.html

go to the body kits, they've got two...

http://www.bomexaero.com/bomexusa.html

go to nissan, then r32 gtr... couple kits there...

that's a couple...

Veilside sux

Originally posted by Nemesis
Simple things like a little more pressure in your front tyres and less in the rears or a strut brace on the front take car of any understeer that there may have ever been.

Right on, it works wonders in a WRX, just a strut brace makes it handle like a whole new car :)

And I didn't think WRXs were 50/50 split. Somthing like 48/52 or somthing. Mby just the USDM ones:confused:

And Superstreetracer: I beleave you need to practice what you preach with the uneducated posts tripe. I refer you agian to your PMs.

Australia has had every WRX there has been and they have heavy understeer. The only WRX where u could change drive bias was the 22B.

that would mean you've been to australia and driven every variation pretty hard to come up with a statement like that... right?

Why the put down on video games? I play GT all the time and I believe it helps my racing. I won the 2001 Southeast Region NCCC championship in 1SC class. Driving helps my video game playing too! ;)

Besides in the military we don't call them video games, we call them "simulators".

As for all this talk of racing, under steer is simply the car pushing into a turn (i.e. not turning as much as the driver inputs), and oversteer is the rear end coming around (usually due to a heavy foot on the loud pedal). Now, what causes both of these is the laws of physics. When the momentum of the car exceeds the traction of the tires, the car obeys the laws of physics and continues in a straight line until another counter force is applied.

The reasons for loss of traction can be any number of things, like: too much momentum, worn tires, slippery or dirty track, weight transfer due to applied gas or brakes, etc... The number one reason is probably agressive driving or driving the car past it's limits. A bit of wisdom that any good racer knows is that sometimes slower is quicker. Meaning that any monkey can push an accelarator pedal, but a skilled driver will find the best line, carry reasonable speed through the turn, and by keeping the car settled will be on the gas sooner out of the turn.

All these things are duplicated extremely well in GT 2 and 3. Take the time and drive some of the base model cars, without the race tires and tweaked engines. Drive them like you are really afraid of crashing and you will see what I mean.

AL

Originally posted by sami

That car is gone to heaven, it's just an organ donor.


Organ Donor! I didn't think they could harvest organs from a dead patient. Especially one that's been dead for a year.:p

SuPeRsTrEeTrAcEr must be pretty good to have mastered autobody and collision repair by the age of 17, all the while being a racing expert as well. Hell it took me until at least the age of 19. But then again I took some time off to work on my pimpin' skills. :cool:

Youth isn't a bad thing, it's just a shame it's wasted on the young. kind of reminds me of the story of the old bull and the young bull....

AL

i know what you're saying, but being a video gamer and not having real world experience, as many members of this site are doesn't constitute having real knowledge.

i simply stated that i don't do video games for answers. i drive cars.

i'm not against videos games a suppliment to actual driving, but when your opinion comes from the games only (as yours obviously hasn't), then there's a problem.

i know the logic on understeer, and the problem noted in "braking understeer" can be explained by what i've said earlier, about overdriving a car into a corner. it doesn't matter what kind of car it is, you can over drive it into a corner. that's my point. you can make anything understeer...

i agree on your thoughts though, 17 and able to rebuild a skyline with extensive knowledge of driving competitevely? right...

Originally posted by phatdex
Australia has had every WRX there has been and they have heavy understeer. The only WRX where u could change drive bias was the 22B.

Yes, they can understeer, but as said, it is real easy to solve.
As for the adjustable bias........
The STi type R had adjustable bias........ I should now, I have been in one and played with the selecter switch while driving it. The car is still in the same city I live in here in NZ.

Also available in Japan, are Subaru models modified by
Subaru's advanced vehicle division, STi (Subaru Tecnica
International). STi are responsible, along with Prodrive in the
UK, for creating the WRC cars driven by the likes of Colin
McRae and Richard Burns. Over the years, they have produced
a number of production models (STi versions 1 to VI), in coupe,
saloon and five door format. They have also released a number
of limited edition models such as the V-Limited range and the
22B-STi wide bodied Coupe. Specifications for the STi models
can include blueprinted engines, with different pistons and
crankshaft, closed deck blocks, uprated close ratio gearbox,
uprated suspension (i.e. hard!) and brakes, as well as nice
toys such as water spray cooling for the intercooler, and
driver adjustable differentials. STi engines rev to a 8250
rpm red line whilst the normal Japanese spec WRX's red
line at 7500 rpm. Typically, the equipment specification of
the Japanese WRX models are higher than that of the
standard export models.

The Japanese spec WRX STi is also available as the 2-door
coupe "Type R", which has the same equipment as a STi
saloon plus driver-controlled diffs, and an intercooler water
spray, but no ABS!.


Taken from an FAQ website about the WRX

Cool, if u r from NZ u have probably had every sorta jap car there is, even more than AUS.
NZ would have to be No1 in Jap imports, then Australia.
Was talking about stock WRX's tho, prone to much more understeer than an EVO, even if it is easily correctable.

Originally posted by SuPeRsTrEeTrAcEr
I'm starting to think you are all just punk 12 years olds.


:lol2: :hehehe: :hehe:

riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. We're the punk 12 year olds. And we're the ones who don't have or know about Skylines. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.......

If you weren't so unintentionally amusing, I'd be offended :lol2:

Hehe - this thread has given me muchas chuckles today - which makes me very happy :D

- And I definitely agree with Nemesis about the KPGC110. (I'd still put an RB26 in it though)

I had to go with with the R32 GTR Just one run in this guys GTR and I was hooked....Dont tell my GTS-T though!!

...............

Originally posted by SuPeRsTrEeTrAcEr
I can do 0-60mph in about 2.5 seconds

Wow a full second quicker than the McLaren F1 road car.

Dude I suggest you stop smoking crack/smack/weed or whatever it is you are on, no one here believes you.

A few of us here do actually own skylines, so we know a shitload more than you about them.

Originally posted by darkness


Wow a full second quicker than the McLaren F1 road car.

Dude I suggest you stop smoking crack/smack/weed or whatever it is you are on, no one here believes you.

A few of us here do actually own skylines, so we know a shitload more than you about them.

To sorta add to that in a much nicer way :D That sort of performance would put your GTR over at about the 800hp mark. I would suspect you have a different gearbox, dif gears, axles an such to handle that sort of power.

he did say it's modded to 750hp... :rolleyes:

That may be but the Skyline is pretty heavy (no offense) so unless he put it in LA Weightloss, forged everything in the engine and put in a new transmission or tuned the ratios on the original I can't see this happening. That would all cost a whole lot of cash so this guy has got to be rich and turbos to put out over 750hp are expensive too. By the way just to see if you have the small chance of making this believable what turbos are you running and add many other stats. The Mclaren F1 is much lighter and is almost a full race car so this I doubt even though the GT-R could kick a Mclaren's ass:D

Ok this ones good

Originally posted by flylwsi
he did say it's modded to 750hp... :rolleyes:

Hence my saying


I would suspect you have a different gearbox, dif gears, axles an such to handle that sort of power.

Just because someone says they are getting 1000hp doesn't mean it is real. He may have posted his mods, yea so what. What else did he do to secure the car for that sort of grunt? Gee I didn't see anything.

The fact remains once you achieve the mark of around 650hp the factory gearbox gear set will die, and rather quickly. The Front axles are at or near their limits also, not to mention the front and rear diffs. How do I know this?
I have seen two GTR drag cars here in NZ shatter enough gear, and I have witnessed many of them.

Now there is also no way he will do that sort of time as just mentioned with the weight he would be carrying. I didn't want to say it but since it hs been brought up why not. The stresses on the drive train with near factory weight and that sort of power level, then launching the car just don't add up.

Kids :rolleyes:

keep in mind that we're talking about a newbie that posted pics from motorex.net and claims the car is his...

i'm well aware of the limitations of the car, and i know you'd need to upgrade the items in question...

notice >:rolleyes: in my post...

that says it all...

:D

Originally posted by darkness


Wow a full second quicker than the McLaren F1 road car.

Dude I suggest you stop smoking crack/smack/weed or whatever it is you are on, no one here believes you.

A few of us here do actually own skylines, so we know a shitload more than you about them.

Cmon James, you know that my Lada does a 6.4 second 1/4 mile. Maybe he IS talking the truth?????:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :o

Originally posted by Nemesis


Cmon James, you know that my Lada does a 6.4 second 1/4 mile. Maybe he IS talking the truth?????:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :o

Oh yeah, well thats an exception:p

Originally posted by darkness


Oh yeah, well thats an exception:p

There's always gotta be one...........:bloated:

Favorite would be GTR 32 cause it likes to test limits. Specially when it snows.

Why would anyone take a GT-S over a GT-R?

Originally posted by GT-R4life
Why would anyone take a GT-S over a GT-R?

Why not????

Well, not that the GT-S is not great car, just from my point of view if I was going to own a skyline (which is my dream car) I would want a GT-R. Granted, the two cars have obvious differences, a big difference being price. I was just wondering if there were any GT-S owners who actually prefer the GT-S to the GT-R.

If both cars were sitting there, an R34 GTR and an R34 GT-T and u could have one for free, u would have to be the stupidest person in the world to take the GT-T!!!

Originally posted by phatdex
If both cars were sitting there, an R34 GTR and an R34 GT-T and u could have one for free,

Now, there's a situation that comes up everyday.

Personally, I wouldn't have either of the above cars........... I'd sooner have an R33 or a new V35 coupe..... or even a 350Z.

Originally posted by Nemesis


Now, there's a situation that comes up everyday.

Personally, I wouldn't have either of the above cars........... I'd sooner have an R33 or a new V35 coupe..... or even a 350Z.

Oh yeah me likes the 350Z

The new 350Z is quite OK but I wouldn't take the new V35 unless I had a car seat put in it. I would upgrade from my R32 to a stock R34 though.

with all do respect. why do you guys like these skylines so much? if you would, please be as detailed as possible. thanks

coz they are a great car. One of the fastest cars there is off the line.
In Australian Motor magazine they compared the porsche GT2 to an R34 GTR and they said its launch was easier and more fuss free than the GT2's!

yeah, my gt2 has a temper. but isn't that a unfair comparison? doesn't the skyline have awd? please give me some more insite on this car, it's very interesting:)

My temptation to get a skyline is based on the fact that most americans didn't even know what one is. Plus being a rather fast car with a strong engine makes it quite nice. Unfortunatly with Fast and the Furious coming out, and some well known PS2 games it is becoming rather popular extremely quick. Less than six months ago you could barely find anything over the net about skylines unless you knew exactly where to search. Three years ago when I say my first one it was next to impossible. Now you can find a bazillion topics about it. The good thing about popularity is that it makes prices go down and availability to go up. Sometimes.

yeah, i have read a few articals about this skyline car. But i have seen better figures in other cars (performance wise). it just seems like it's just another car but with extra gadgets, i say ditch the gadgets and loose some wiegh. i think it looks like a greet car and seems to have enough technology to ride out a decade without really being 'outdated'. does anyone here have a first hand account? it seems that it costs so much but wheres the horse power? this car is starting to grow on me, i like the idea of awd, aws and awb. plus the design makes me droowl. :sun: